Wanted Car Transport in NE Scotland - See page 5

[17-Coffees]

Clearly we need to meet and compare Civics so I can further convince myself I should have bought an EK4...

 

North East Scottoshite meeting? That'd be a plan!

 

The M-Series Civic is a great car. Well built and ever reliable for me in all my time using it. And a nice handling car, even before the coilovers, as good set of tyres really improved it. Also they haven't been hijacked by the scene crowd like the Ek, EP, etc has, which to me is a bonus.(I understand it's somewhat ironic considering how scene I made the car) 

 

Personally, would love one of the VTi or VTi-S's of the generation, but go for silly money. 

[Supernaut]

One thing I noticed was the road noise in it.

 

However, I was doing 60mph* along badly-surfaced back roads...

[Supernaut]

• Test date 23 January 2017
• Test Result Fail
• Odometer reading 103,861 miles
• MOT test number 6249 3526 8139
• Reason(s) for failure
  Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content at idle excessive (7.3.D.4)

  Exhaust emissions carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle excessive (7.3.D.3)

  Exhaust emissions hydrocarbon content after 2nd fast idle excessive (7.3.D.3)

  Exhaust emissions Lambda reading after 2nd fast idle outside specified limits (7.3.D.3)

  Exhaust emits excessive dense blue smoke during acceleration (7.3.A.2c)

  nearside rear passenger door cannot be opened from outside the vehicle (6.2.B.1c)

  nearside rear Direction indicator incorrect colour (1.4.A.2f)

  offside rear Direction indicator incorrect colour (1.4.A.2f)

  nearside Track rod end ball joint has excessive play (2.2.B.1f)

  central rear Statutory seat belt missing (5.1.1)

  offside front brake binding (3.7.B.1)

  nearside rear rear brake binding (3.7.B.1)

  offside rear brake binding (3.7.B.1)

   

   

   

   

   

   

  Pretty fucking bad. Hmm. I don't reckon it's really worth it, personally.

[Dick Cheeseburger]

So the new cat didn't make a difference then? Seems odd...

[Dave_Q]

Kinda depends on the smoke/emissions issue.

 

If it's burning oil that would ruin your emissions, could be very minor eg blocked breather, minor (ish) eg valve stem seals, could be major.

 

Most of the emissions could be explained away by faulty lambda sensor but not the blue smoke.

 

Don't drive it into the sea just yet.

[dave21478]

Uh, if you have the CAT to go on it, then surely its just some bulbs, a track rod end and an afternoon greasing calipers.?

 

However, blue smoke on acceleration might not be good.

[Supernaut]

They've not fitted the cat, as I asked them to test it before doing any work, to see what it needs done.

 

However, the excessive blue smoke is rather worrying, and it's not technically my car yet anyway. Checking the oil breathers is a good call though.

 

The left rear door is a bit sticky to unlock, so probably needs some grease on the lock plunger, and the missing(?!) seatbelt is probably just folded up under the seat.

[dome]

It doesn't sound too bad, you knew about the cat and track rod end. It sounds like a service and check breathers etc is in order. Free the brakes off, fix the door, find the seat belt and fit a couple of bulbs and then you're off! Smokily...

 

Did you get the emmissons sheet to see how far out it was?

[Supernaut]

I'm currently 30 miles from the car and the garage so have no paperwork yet.

[mrbenn]

I wonder if an oil and filter change, new air filter and some fresh fuel would help the smoke?

[17-Coffees]

Somewhat expected this, but least we know what the goalpost's are now. 

 

Other than the emissions stuff it's an easy fix. Brakes are threw lack of use and I know exactly how the ball joint is buggered. I'm keen for attempting to do a re-rest and take it from there. Flush out the oil, do a service and free-up the brakes? Worth a punt and pending how the emissions are after than throw the cat on if theirs a hope it'd pass? 

If the engine is terminal then I'd be selling it as a "rolling project" for any scene prick out there. The Honda B18 engines fit right in there you know...

[Dave_Q]

Needs compression test. If its smoking because of ring wear etc then servicing it is a waste of good oil.

[Supernaut]

Anybody in the Aberdeen area have a compression tester...?

[Lacquer Peel]

I suggested using the engine and gearbox from a Rover 400/45 TD to Supernaut. I think he was impressed.

[Tayne]

Anybody in the Aberdeen area have a compression tester...?

 

 

Can you ask Cameron's to do that?

[Supernaut]

Can you ask Cameron's to do that?

 

I could, but they don't seem interested in the work.

 

They were very dismissive when telling me about the MOT fail and just gave the impression they want it out of their yard. I do wonder why I still go to them sometimes.

[Dave_Q]

There are lots of suitably shit looking compression testers on eBay for <£20.

[Supernaut]

No need.

 

Just phoned my dad (my parents' farm is 3 miles from the garage). He has a compression tester I can use (due to him being waist-deep into a restoration of a series 1 Land Rover).

 

I'll head out there on Saturday morning and take it back to the farm and have a look over it. No further updates until Saturday.

 

 

 

However, if it was down on compression surely it would be down on power? It certainly didn't feel down on power on the drive over there!

[Lacquer Peel]

Sticky rings.

[320touring]

May just have seeped a load of oil down the valve stem seals?

[Dave_Q]

Blue smoke is burny oil, from one of 3 places:

 

Rings

Valve stem

Inlet system

 

Compression test is a quick way to hopefully eliminate the most terminal one of those from your enquiries.

[5speedracer]

Sticky rings.

Damn, my thunder has been well and truly pilfered

 

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[Supernaut]

Blue smoke is burny oil, from one of 3 places:

 

Rings

Valve stem

Inlet system

 

Compression test is a quick way to hopefully eliminate the most terminal one of those from your enquiries.

I'm not hugely familiar with the internals of an engine, so... which one would the compression test eliminate? Rings or valve stem? Then how would one go about rectifying it if it is the less terminal option? Oil flush with half a litre of diesel? (as previously suggested to me by Mr L Peel)

 

Inlet system will get looked at too, though.

 

Even if the car is fucked, I'm going to get my dad to show me how to use a compression tester, so there's a small silver lining!

[Dave_Q]

Compression test will tell you if the piston rings are sealing ok - low compression means gas is getting out past the rings and oil will be coming back the other way.

 

This is probably the worst possibility but if compression is good then it can be ruled out.

 

As noted, the rings may just be stuck from being sat but it seems unlikely to me. 

 

 

If compression is good I would take the inlet manifold off to see if there is much oil in it, you should also then be able to see down the ports to see if oil is leaking onto the back of the inlet valves.

 

It may also be possible to tell if the valve stem seals are good by taking the rocker cover off and having a look.

[Honey Badger]

Might be worth having a look in the throttle body to see if the breather is chucking some oil through it, assuming this engine has the same set up as most Hondas I've owned.

[Supernaut]

The results are in!

 

 

 

 

 

It's gubbed.

 

Checked all the breather hoses, and they were bone dry. So I then performed a compression test on it. All 4 cylinders were 165-170psi, so perfectly healthy there. However, how the fuck did it use this much oil in 40 miles? It was at max 40 miles ago. No puddles underneath either.

 

 

Valve stem seals? If so, I really, really can't be arsed and neither can 17-Coffees.

 

It's currently sat in a corner at my parents' farm for now, awaiting its fate.

[Lacquer Peel]

Engine oil flush pls.

[Supernaut]

Engine oil flush pls.

 

You reckon that has the remotest chance of helping an engine that's burning almost as much oil as petrol...?

[320touring]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201612130580154

 

This popped up in the eBay thread

[Supernaut]

Aye, seen that a few times already. They seem to be having trouble shifting it...

 

 

Maybe because they can't be fucking arsed fixing the tail light and removing that random stick from the foot well. Mouth-breathing jizzmop.