Free road tax to be abolished

[MarvinsMom]

when i had the company cars each and every one struggled with the first MOT and that was at 3 years old.

 

bushes, ball joints, iffy hand brakes and leaky struts.

 

i've had them all!

 

admittedly they had all been driven like i'd stolen them from the start... i'd thrashed 'em without mercy!

[saucedoctor]

Most modern cars would need an eye watering amount of work done by the first mot if its 4 years surely?

 

MoT is 4 years over here, for a long time it was 6. You're right, I know a couple of MoT inspectors (Civil Servants here) and they tell me that the amount of utterly fucked stuff that comes through @ 4 years old is increasing. Busted springs and cars knocking out suspension bushes in the main, but people these days don't even seem to check their tyres for condition.

[rovamota]

Never understood why people pay £20,000 or so for a car and then think they've saved money by not paying tax. All new cars depreciate faster than they can be paid for. 

[Cavcraft]

Think you've got the wrong end of the stick there bud.

 

Apologies if so.

[willswitchengage]

The free road tax system was a nice idea for leccy cars until the gov't failed to catch up with the fact that all the manufacturers were cheating in the CO2 results

 

Realistically we need something to align with the rest of Europe as at the end of the day it's the same market for cars

 

Germany

 

 

There are two components to the calculation of road tax on new cars registered after the 1st January 2012:

• Engine size – the tax is € 2 per 100ccm for gasoline engines and € 9 per 100ccm for diesel engines
• CO2 emissions – engines emitting less than 110 gms/km are exempt and the tax above that level is € 20 per 10 gms/km

 

France

 

No road tax. At least that's ÃƒÂ©galité!

[richardmorris]

Seems he plans to ring fence car duty to spend on roads too.

 

Of course it means that there will be three systems in place. Pre 2001 below and above 1500cc £145 or £225 and free for the over 40s. 2001 to 2017 based on emissions, and 2017 on low and high.

 

Still seems overly complicated. Why not scrap it and add it on to fuel duty?

[forddeliveryboy]

I agree putting it onto fuel is the sensible and logical idea, but would only serve to make living in more remote places even harder for those who aren't on better salaries. I think road tax is there in part to form one of the many hoops which aren't really necessary but which form a part of supposedly keeping the population of Britain 'on their toes', according to someone I once knew who worked in Whitehall.

[Timewaster]

No No No! Does anyone think that any Chancellor from any party would make the extra fuel tax cost the same as Road tax for the average driver?

 

It would cost something stupid like 25p a litre and end up costing us thousands.

[richardmorris]

Well, no. But when I'm commissar of roads, it would be 1 p per litre. I can't help it if I'm not electable

 

It has come to pass though- road tax cheap until the cars are popular, then road tax expensive. I wonder he hasn't doubled the tax on lpg yet.

 

The system needs simplifying and all Gideon has done is make it more complicated.

[forddeliveryboy]

Isn't any system going to be complex if it's not added onto fuel, unless there's a flat rate for all with no incentives for more fuel-efficient cars?

 

 

Realistically we need something to align with the rest of Europe as at the end of the day it's the same market for cars

 

Germany

 

There are two components to the calculation of road tax on new cars registered after the 1st January 2012:

• Engine size – the tax is € 2 per 100ccm for gasoline engines and € 9 per 100ccm for diesel engines
• CO2 emissions – engines emitting less than 110 gms/km are exempt and the tax above that level is € 20 per 10 gms/km

France

 

No road tax. At least that's ÃƒÂ©galité!

 

 

Yes, more harmonisation. Whose system of road taxation do we choose, then? Germany's, France's, or one of the other 26 countries', which all have different systems? I like the idea of the Hungarians who charge less the older the car is.

[Stroller133]

So all high performance petrol cars from 2006(?) will soon be scrapped due to the £500 road tax, but same car from 2017 will only be £140 unless it in the other 5%?

An Astra or other rep diesel that is now free or £30 tax will stay at that price, but the same model from 2017 will be £140. Paying £20k for a new car may not seem so attractive if the road tax goes up compared to last car thats not yet paid for!

[doobietoo]

I like the bit in small print at the bottom...... any car costing more than £40,000 attracts an additional tax of £310 per year for the first 5 years....

 

So that's slammed the door on the top end "its got a really big battery" so it is able to drive for 50 yards electrically and is therefore tax free loophole then.....

 

all in all it is a very un-conservative budget.

[Negative Creep]

Yeah......that wouldn't have happened if it knew it had an mot looming

 

 

At least it would have been fixed. Yes the car would be serviced but there's no obligation for the owner to do so. If anything I'd introduce a mini-MOT every 6 months where the lights, tyres and safety systems are checked.

 

 

Or if they want to raise money just get every copper out on the streets to pull people with lights out. They'd make a fortune in fines.

[Bren]

Not that arsed about the cost of fuel TBH.

 

I only ever put £20 in anyway.

[forddeliveryboy]

 

What a load of Tory spin bollocks. I'm sort of offended that so many people have been sucked into this, particularly people on here who I thought might have been intelligent enough to see through it.

 

 

Typical of British politics, dressing things up in fancy language to make political points. Usually based on bollocks. I think the idea is that people (Osborne's friends and voters) with big-engined Jaags can get away with £140 tax a year.

[alf892]

At least it would have been fixed. Yes the car would be serviced but there's no obligation for the owner to do so. If anything I'd introduce a mini-MOT every 6 months where the lights, tyres and safety systems are checked.

 

 

Or if they want to raise money just get every copper out on the streets to pull people with lights out. They'd make a fortune in fines.

I'd go with option 2........let's have some enforcement of existing regs......not making up more shit laws for idiots

 

Can't get excited about the road tax thing........too many variations of 'fair'........I had a 450/year car for a time.......it wasn't that that made me want rid.

 

Oh.......company car drivers get pretty well screwed down with the benefit in kind system. Certainly not much of a benefit........

[mercrocker]

Doesn't this new fangled shit tell the driver there are things wrong with it?

[Junkman]

The only fair system is the French one.

Scrap that fucking good-for-nothing because-we-can tax.

[carlo]

Any change to the price of RFL on pre 2001 cars?

[stripped fred]

Sounds like these changes will stop people looking to buy the most efficient (on paper) small engined cars then. It will only be the fuel cost that puts then off. It's not the best result for reducing co2 though is it which I thought the government were under pressure to reduce further. It could mean more big engined petrols being bought which will please a lot of shiters in 20 years time though. A lot of motorists don't consider the other greater costs of depreciation and fuel.

[MarvinsMom]

we all know that this CO2s and environment rubbish that car makers have been spinning with their products is complete crap, CO2s in real life will be much higher that the bullshit tests suggest, and real life gas consumption will also be far higher.

 

this is one reform which makes sense given the utterly baffling system currently in use.

 

plus given the 2 knob wobblers whining on the Daily Hate today (other Nazi mouth pices are available) complaining how having some "desirable"(?!??!) aldi and bmwhocares pile of shite would now cost them £900 in tax a year and they would not be able to get another one now.

 

boo fucking hoo.

 

so fucking what.

 

less german shit on the roads sounds like a fucking win to me.

[sierraman]

I couldn't care less if someone gets stuffed when buying a new BMW. Motoring wise the government seem to try to make it harder and harder for people to choose to drive an old car. It's like they are subconsciously trying to steer you into a nice comfortable cycle of 5 year finance agreements on a low emission car. I couldn't afford a new car, or even a 5 year old one so to live within my means I drive an old one. As it goes I happen to like running a car that's old and worthless, as opposed to working myself into a foam each month to pay a finance agreement, then going down the pub and boring anyone who will listen to tears about my new Audi. It's just one more step they have towards making your decisions for you.