New car tax rip off from DVLA!

[Squire_Dawson]

The thing I am worried about - and I'm sure it has been mentioned here before somewhere - is that when they abolish the paper tax disc, who is to say an over-zealous official (or unofficial) won't tow our battered old crock away as it looks a 'likely suspect'?

 

Maybe show some eye-catching small sticker saying 'this car is taxed until ....' to do the job the tax disc was invented for in the first place.

[Negative Creep]

On the up side, you won't have to put 6 months tax on something you're just trying to sell

[Geep]

Under the new monthly system, can those of us who pay cash continue to do so, or will be forced in to handing over bank details for them to help themselves every time the computer says so?

[Ratdat]

I might have to get busy on photoshop and make my own valid tax discs after October. That should confuse traffic wardens if nothing else.

[Negative Creep]

I'll certainly be keeping my last ever tax disc, just for posterity

[brickwall]

The transfer of ownership date on the V5 is what counts, even if you send off the form weeks after the sale.

 

What I would like to know, though, is how they refund. They would need my bank details for that, and I can't see a section where I enter it on the V5C.

 

On the plus side, I like the new concept that you can pay the tax monthly per standing order.

 

 

My idea was similar, except do it online. Say you buy 2 months tax or whatever as it's all going discless after October.

[srad34]

 

What I would like to know, though, is how they refund. They would need my bank details for that, and I can't see a section where I enter it on the V5C.

 

I would have thought they would send a cheque (offa the 80's) to the registered owner/address on the V5?

 

(The DVLA will be hoping you can't be arsed to take it into the bank to cash, cheeky twunts)

[garbaldy]

was there not talk a while back about doing away with cheques as they are out dated and slow

[Negative Creep]

was there not talk a while back about doing away with cheques as they are out dated and slow

 

 

I can't even remember the last time I sent one

[PhilA]

I send my checks electronically now, which kinda defeats the purpose of actually having the checks.

 

I rather like the idea of the vehicle having to display the fact you've given your hard-earned to the government.

 

Try taking the registration plate off, see what they do then. No tax disc, no plate.. it's still got a VIN, that doesn't come off.

 

I get an annual sticker to put on my plate on the back of the car, a sticker in the window to show that the vehicle's been "MoT'd", have to have proof of ownership, insurance and my proof of right to drive it on the roads (licence) in the vehicle at any time it's actually on the street.

 

Why remove that?

 

I could understand if the paperless disc was a sensible price (here, $14) and they were trying to jib you out of money like it's roll-over minutes on a pay-as-you-go phone, but it's not what I'd call cheap to tax a vehicle there.

 

Good job. The government is there for the protection of you, the people. Remember that. Don't let them forget it, either.

 

 

--Phil

[sheffcortinacentre]

this is guna be a good scenario.

 

person A sells car sat afternoon & must cancel tax.

person B buys said car & wants to tax. but as comp isn't updated he cant as comp says you can't tax a vehicle that's all ready taxed?

so he drives home thinking be ok as it'll come up taxed. & ill sort it mon.

2 days later hes taken i'll & can't get to tax it.

plod gos past it parked outside his house on the rd, whoop whoop  we have a winner send for the tow truck this untaxed/unsorned vehicle needs impounding.

 

nothing like cutting the red tape.

[rml2345]

I don't fancy the idea of handing over large amounts of folding to the DVLA on the promise that they will tell the computer system that my car is taxed. I reckon the receipt will need taped to the window somewhere just to prove that it's actually been paid and then I'll get done for obstructed windscreen or something. Little round paper receipts with a date on them seem so much easier.
Oh wait... 

[Six-cylinder]

I still do not understand if I will be able to control my collection as I have been? I have a number of cars but only tax a few at a time, I buy 12 months tax and then cash the tax in again sometimes after just a couple of months to put another car on the road, sometimes after 9 months as winter sets in. Will I be able to buy and cash in tax as I please?

[HH-R]

Aye, as far as I know you can just SORN as usual. In theory it should be less faff for you as there's just no bits of round paper involved.

[Bobthebeard]

Anything involving computers and the Government inevitably goes massively tits up, costs more money than there is in the universe and doesn't work.

Business as usual then! Paper tax discs soon to re appear in a windscreen near you.

[RichardMoss]

Yeah, how quickly will the police cars etc database be updated? I am pretty sure if you buy a car mid month you will still be showing up as taxed on the last owners tax for the rest of the month if you get pulled by the plod.

Out here in the highly efficient* United Arab Emirates the whole system works beautifully - seriously.

 

For an annual renewal, I go to the traffic office and run my car down one of their Inspection Lines ("MOT" for £20) and then walk into the adjacent insurance company office to buy my insurance (£110 for  year's TPFT on my Grand Voyager) - there's usually a choice of about 8 companies with offices there and they will haggle on the price!  Then I take my MOT and insurance paperwork into the adjoining Traffic Dept Office and hand them over along with my registration card, driver's licence and £18. The lady from the traffic office (it's always women) prints out my new credit-card style registration card whilst I wait (about 4 minutes) and before I've even put the registration card in my wallet, I have received a text message from the Government Traffic Dept thanking me for renewing.  I also  get a sticker to put on my reg plate stating the month of year of expiry.

 

The whole lot done and dusted in 45 mins on average.  The annual registration fee is effectively the road tax fee.

 

For a transfer of ownership the MOT part is not required if it has more than one month to go unless transferring from one Emirate to another - as I will be doing when buying my Dubai re'gd Discovery tomorrow and importing it to Abu Dhabi (lie exporting from Wales to England with with a DVLA in each country!).  For a nominal fee (under £20) the insurance company will sign the seller's existing insurance over to me (again, except in the case of inter-Emirate transfers).  The rest is the same as above.

 

A couple of things to note: 

the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and all policies are "any driver with a UAE licence".  Getting the UAE licence takes 30 mins and £20 if you have an acceptable foreign licence such as a UK one.

Because the renewal of registration has to be done annually, the MOT, Tax and Insurance all have the same expiry date and this stated on the reg card.

 

It really is a very slick and affordable operation. Therefore, the answer to the your question is:  it should take minutes if the IT systems are any good.

[dave21478]

Out here in the highly efficient* United Arab Emirates the whole system works beautifully - seriously.

 

For an annual renewal, I go to the traffic office and run my car down one of their Inspection Lines ("MOT" for £20) and then walk into the adjacent insurance company office to buy my insurance (£110 for  year's TPFT on my Grand Voyager) - there's usually a choice of about 8 companies with offices there and they will haggle on the price!  Then I take my MOT and insurance paperwork into the adjoining Traffic Dept Office and hand them over along with my registration card, driver's licence and £18. The lady from the traffic office (it's always women) prints out my new credit-card style registration card whilst I wait (about 4 minutes) and before I've even put the registration card in my wallet, I have received a text message from the Government Traffic Dept thanking me for renewing.  I also  get a sticker to put on my reg plate stating the month of year of expiry.

 

The whole lot done and dusted in 45 mins on average.  The annual registration fee is effectively the road tax fee.

 

For a transfer of ownership the MOT part is not required if it has more than one month to go unless transferring from one Emirate to another - as I will be doing when buying my Dubai re'gd Discovery tomorrow and importing it to Abu Dhabi (lie exporting from Wales to England with with a DVLA in each country!).  For a nominal fee (under £20) the insurance company will sign the seller's existing insurance over to me (again, except in the case of inter-Emirate transfers).  The rest is the same as above.

 

A couple of things to note: 

the vehicle is insured, not the driver, and all policies are "any driver with a UAE licence".  Getting the UAE licence takes 30 mins and £20 if you have an acceptable foreign licence such as a UK one.

Because the renewal of registration has to be done annually, the MOT, Tax and Insurance all have the same expiry date and this stated on the reg card.

 

It really is a very slick and affordable operation. Therefore, the answer to the your question is:  it should take minutes if the IT systems are any good.

 

Here in France its a complete clusterfuck.

 

There is no road tax, which is nice, but you have to pay a fee to register the car on your name, which is not nice, especially as its pretty dear.

So you buy a car, but to register it you need a French MOT pass within the last 6 months or a fail within the last 2 months. If it has that, happy days. If not, you need to take it for inspection. Which is tricky if its a rusty heap that needs full restoration.

Yes, I had to take this to the testing station on a trailer...

It didnt pass BTW.

 

You then need to go to the prefecture, which is in the main city of the area where you live. This is not simple as their opening hours change randomly, their own websites are out of date and its always rammed. They have those excellent* systems where you take a ticket and wait your turn...

Just hope that lunchtime doesnt coincide with your waiting time as they close for two hours.

 

Once at the desk, the harridan asks you for the usual 8 forms of i.d. along with an attestation from the midwife who delivered you and a character reference from the Pope. If your papers are in order, they will relieve you of an amount of money that depends on engine power, age, co2 pollution and some random numbers. Chod generally runs to 100 to 200 euros or so, but newer stuff can be over a grand.

You get a receipt and a few days later the real ownership document is sent to your house my registered post. Invariably, you are not in so have to go back to town to collect it from the post office, where invariably you get stuck behind some giffer who wants to send a letter by third class ultra economy post to Uzbekistan and to remortgage his house using the Post Office Bank.

 

Fortunately, this only has to be done once when you register a car, but for serial shiters like me who change cars often, this gets tedious.

 

 

 

Are the IT systems any good here? This is a country where CB radios and fax machines are still considered by many to be the pinnacle of communications technology, so no, I dont think so.

[sheffcortinacentre]

ah richardmoss that's way to simple & sensible to ever work here.

[overrun]

I'm going to miss that round redundant bit of paper, looks like I'll have to get a period one to fill the void instead

Robbing dvla bastards

I already display a period one and I am not in jail yet.

[gary_davidson]

was there not talk a while back about doing away with cheques as they are out dated and slow

The banks want to do away with them but the FSA (or so other regulator, can't really remember) said they have to come up with an alternative for those who refuse to bank online or by phone, they couldn't think of one that would work that was less hassle for them so cheques live

[Cavcraft]

Yeah, how quickly will the police cars etc database be updated? I am pretty sure if you buy a car mid month you will still be showing up as taxed on the last owners tax for the rest of the month if you get pulled by the plod.

 

 

Here's something though: if the vehicle is insured (new owner) and taxed (previous owner) then it won't flag up the ANPR system, so you'd almost certainly be ok to drive it home, providing you don't get a random spot check, crash or the system updates mega quickly.

[fordperv]

I already display a period one and I am not in jail yet.

Is that along side your current tax disc though? If not arrrr naughty overrun for not displaying