Shite is getting younger and younger!

[R9UKE]

Coming across more and more topics on various forums relating to THIS:

 

 

Most read like this:

 

I have a 2008 Renault Koleos 150, and have owned it trouble free for just over 12 months. Approx 2 months ago it started to have problems starting, and if it did then then it would cut out and display the "injection failure" message. The Car has been in the garage and been on the diagnostics machine, but the garage says that they recognise that there is a low pressure in the system, but cannot find the problem.

 

The car starts 1st time, and then cuts out, it then fails to start, and then on the next attempt it will start and runs ok. If the car is left for a period of a couple of hours then again it fails to start in the same sequence as previously described.

 

Any ideas anyone as my wife loves the car but giving me lots of grief over this.

 

Cheers

 

I can't wait to own one!

 

Any other PROVEN young shite?

 

Evidence to back up please!

[ashmicro]

How about this. My mate owns a 2011 Merc S350CDi, and it was displaying the "DPF Fault" message. Agnews told him that MB are aware of it but as yet no fix. The sodding thing goes into limp home, so you have to switch off and on again just to drive the damned thing.

[R9UKE]

... and it's probably due to start rusting in about 18 months??

 

These DPFs are another reason to hate diesels.

 

These guys'll do great.

 

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-moto ... l/93071106

[RoadworkUK]

I've just changed roles in the dealership; I'm now warranty administrator, of all things. It's both eye-opening and educational.

 

So far I can report suprisingly few DPF issues, mostly injector and sensor faults. The few common rails that have been replaced have been manufacturer "remove and send for inspection" quality control recalls. But cars are coming in to have various bits reprogrammed all the time.

 

I'f I can just play devils advocate for a moment, the W210 was the last Merc to have significant corrosion issues, and that died in 2002. There may still be isolated cases, but it's nowhere near the crisis that it used to be.

[Felly Magic]

Skoda are having issues with DPF's throughout the range, especially on cars that do tiny mileages

[ashmicro]

Have they stopped Octavias going on fire yet, though?

[John F]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but IMO a 3-year old munterish family runabout that fails for no good reason is shit rather than shite...

[Felly Magic]

Nail on the head there John F. If a car falls apart while still under manufacturers warranty, it is officially a piece of complete and utter shit not fit for purpose, not Autoshite

[ashmicro]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but IMO a 3-year old munterish family runabout that fails for no good reason is shit rather than shite...

 

 

Hard to argue with that.

[Negative Creep]

Will the current glut of soft roaders ever be seen as shite? They must score points for being a bit pointless, plus if they fall out of fashion it could make them more appealing.

[dollywobbler]

I can't see most modern stuff ever being Autoshite (which perhaps makes me just as blinkered as those who don't see 1970s Japanese cars as classics). For a 4x4 to be shite it has to be hopeless. Range Rovers manage this, mixing luxury with shoddy build quality and random failures. Vauxhall Fronteras are perhaps the ultimate 4x4 shite. Take an old Isuzu and try and make it into a soft roader!

 

To me, shite is older stuff that still does the job perfectly well. A car that won't start, or that goes into limp home mode isn't shite - just shit. A car that gets from A to B with the odd characterful issue is shite. My BX has many issues, but does get me where I want to be.

[ChinaTom]

How about this. My mate owns a 2011 Merc S350CDi, and it was displaying the "DPF Fault" message. Agnews told him that MB are aware of it but as yet no fix. The sodding thing goes into limp home, so you have to switch off and on again just to drive the damned thing.

 

That's the BlueTec engine isn't it? Urea into the exhaust gases or something weird like that.

[CIH]

I saw a "BlueTec" badged mercedes today. My initial reaction was to mentally replace the E with an A...

 

Also I presume Germans associate Blue with envromential shenanigans, much as we would Green >

[Albert Ross]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but IMO a 3-year old munterish family runabout that fails for no good reason is shit rather than shite...

 

Like a stick of rock with the word SHIT written through it.

[CreepingJesus]

I saw a "BlueTec" badged mercedes today. My initial reaction was to mentally replace the E with an A...

 

Also I presume Germans associate Blue with envromential shenanigans, much as we would Green >

 

, but the 'blue' is for AdBlue - the urea compound CT mentioned, which traps particulates in the specially designed cat thing. Folklore in the truck world says you can wee into a bottle of water, chuck it in the AdBlue tank, and it'll get you home if you run out.

[stuboy]

old shite will be here even when new shite isnt

[eddyramrod]

That's the point though Stu, isn't it? The new stuff won't ever get to be shite, it won't live long enough. Electronics failures and broken plastic body parts will see it off long before it filters down the market enough for the likes of thee and me. Any of those will be hellish expensive to fix, parts will only ever be available from the main dealers, and if it needs two or three things doing at once (like most of our old shite) the bill will be enough to cover a new car. So the old one will just go to scrap, most likely won't even get to double figures. So much for being green.

[ChinaTom]

Here’s what I don’t get. This Adblue pee additive is supposed to be the most environmentally accomplished engine in the diesel range at M-B. You have to sacrifice a team of horses and end up with a similar torque figure to the pumped up 4 cyl engines. But, and here’s the real rub, you end up paying more CO2 tax and get less miles to the gallon. So where is the advantage over the BlueEfficiency 350’s? Unlike the E class, You can’t order a S350 without AdBlue.

[eddyramrod]

It's fashion and political corruption, Tom, that's all. As usual, Joe Public pays for it.

[ashmicro]

Sorry lads, just seen your posts - the S says "BLUE EFFICIENCY" on the front wings.

[Felly Magic]

Adblue is nasty shit too. Corrosive, injectors in the cat block, so the cat ends up FUBAR'd etc. I HATE the stuff and have been dealing with it since 2006! It aint cheap either.

[ashmicro]

Aye, isn't it something like 80 quid a litre or something?

[fiatdaft]

£1.15 per litre at the local services , 77 p per litre online.

[ashmicro]

Must be something else I'm thinking of. Pugrot quoted the 80 a litre for something to do with a DPF on a 407HDi. The car didn't live long enough for this to be an issue (squashed by a truck) and the replacement 407 shat it's gearbox all over the road @ 30k ish miles.

 

Really, sometimes simples is better. The chaps from Mercedes Assist who came out to look at the S when the error message came on (Dave called me first, so I was already there) saw my Jaaaaag, and one of them said to me "I shouldn't say this, but that (The Jag) is a great car. It's better to do something simple and do it well, than do something complex, and do it badly. We used to be like that!"

 

Telling words.

[Richard]

The PSA stuff is called Eolys and it seems to be £20-£40 a litre. That's not the expensive bit though, the expensive bit is getting the ECU reset so it knows it's been refilled.

[marcello-gandini]

Also I presume Germans associate Blue with envromential shenanigans, much as we would Green >

 

Yes.

 

VW Bluemotion.

MB Blue-tak.

Grohe Blue.

 

Not sure why though.

 

To avoid confusion with the Green Party, which is quite a force in Germany.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but IMO a 3-year old Renault is shit.

 

 

Shite doesn't have to be reliable.

 

In ten years, real Autoshite will be a 14 year old £400 Alfa 156 with a veritable Christmas tree of warning lights or, a W12 Phaeton with a litany of AA callouts.

[John F]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but IMO a 3-year old Renault is shit.

 

 

Shite doesn't have to be reliable.

 

In ten years, real Autoshite will be a 14 year old £400 Alfa 156 with a veritable Christmas tree of warning lights or, a W12 Phaeton with a litany of AA callouts.

 

Agreed... in fact, unreliability might well even assist a vehicle into the shite category at some point in its life, since there's every chance most of them will be shit-canned by their disgusted owners. Shite is, and perhaps always will be, a relative term. 20 years ago, who'd have thought people in the future would be dry-humping their computer screens over pictures of a Datsun 100A?

 

But in defence of my earlier comment, that Renault soft-road thing is hideous AND unreliable, and probably still costs un bras et une jambe if you're daft enough to buy one. So IMO it's currently wedged deep within the u-bend of shit territory

[Cavcraft]

Adblue has been used in trucks for a while, isn't it injected into the exhaust or something like that? Did harbour dreams of trying to convert an old diesel onto it 'just to see what happens' but it sounds a bit of a mare.

[Justin Case]

Ad-blue is the trade name for Aqeous Urea Solution (ie refined goat piss) and is used to reduce Nitrous Oxide in the exhausts of large diesel engines eg trucks and S Class Mercedes. It is injected into an extra catalyst and reacts with the Nitrous oxide to turn it into Nitrogen and Water.

 

The Peugeot system is quite different. the Eolys (sp?) fluid is injected into the FAP (or DPF) and burnt to raise the temperature enough to burn off the trapped particulates.

 

Either way it involves extra computers, tanks, injectors and fluids all of which add up to yet more to go wrong and something in the several body parts scale of costs. Sometimes a single 1 1/2" SU has a great deal of appeal.