607 3.0 V6 BOURGEOIS - Now owner’s thread

[IronStar]

Oh fuck you French car

judging by the uneven idle, it’s a misfire and coil pack or spark plug left the chat. 

[beko1987]

Leave a babybel  or slice of brie on the dash overnight as an offering to the French car gods 🤞🍀

[High Jetter]

2 hours ago, Lord Sterling said:

Et n'oublie pas this very important aspect of owning a French car; "Du pain, du vin, du Boursin"

Cheesey.

[Leyland Worldmaster]

53 minutes ago, beko1987 said:

Leave a babybel  or slice of brie on the dash overnight as an offering to the French car gods 🤞🍀

I camanbert any more cheesy jokes, innit. 

[IronStar]

2 hours ago, IronStar said:

Oh fuck you French car

judging by the uneven idle, it’s a misfire and coil pack or spark plug left the chat. 

Went back to uneven but not disasterous as it cooled down, so that’ll probably be coil pack then. Valeo at bit under 30€ a pop sounds about right. I’ll scan the codes tomorrow to see if it’s visible with ELM327, or I need Lexia setup even for the engine ECU.

[IronStar]

So…may not be just the coil pack. Because…

Long term trim at 25% but short term at-25%? ELM 327 unhelpfully says P0300, random/multiple cylinder misfire, but this kinda tracks with +25/-25 trims on bank 1. 
An LPG injector that’s leaking combined with dicky coil? Help pls! 😅

[Patent]

Id try the coil pack first. These are meant to eat them for fun.

Perhaps it adjusts the trim in response to the misfire and it's not been working properly for a while?

[IronStar]

14 minutes ago, Patent said:

Id try the coil pack first. These are meant to eat them for fun.

Perhaps it adjusts the trim in response to the misfire and it's not been working properly for a while?

Bank 1 coil packs ordered. Fingers crossed 🤞 

[Zelandeth]

On 18/03/2026 at 23:32, IronStar said:

Pet peeve rant alert

Is car that’s closer in size to a glacier than to VW Golf really supposed to be measured by its handling around a track? Is track time in a car class that will never see a track other than to bring you as a spectator important? Are you really going to do a Scandinavian flick in a 5m long landbarge? It’s supposed to be wafty and reassuring, not fastest round the track.

/pet peeve rant

This. Times a thousand.  The VAG company cars a housemate gets through work piss me the hell off so badly in this regard.  

It's a £50+K luxobarge...why the absolute fluffing hell does it have solid shock absorbers and painted on tyres therefore rides about as well as a £10 child's scooter from Argos?!?

Fine, if you've bought the Audi RS6 and ticked all the spicy options, sure!  Go for it.  But why can't they offer an option that's actually bloody comfortable?

It's a pet peeve on my Volvo to be honest.  It's a lovely car in all other respects but the ride is bloody awful.  It needs about an extra 20% of side wall on the tyres and at least 25% softer dampers - I reckon it would waft along beautifully then.  As it is it's maddeningly crashy.  It's not even set up to handle - it's utterly neutral and unengaging in every way in the driving dynamics department (as you'd kind of expect given the type of car).

The absolute maddening obsession with making every car eek out every millisecond on a track really pisses me off.  I don't *want* to drive a racing car on the road.  A proper track car is a bloody horrible place to be anywhere other than a track!  Can we please stop trying to bring that onto the roads and force it down everyone's throats.

Bring back 80 profile tyres and squishy long travel suspension please.

[Lord Sterling]

On 19/03/2026 at 00:32, IronStar said:

Pet peeve rant alert

Is car that’s closer in size to a glacier than to VW Golf really supposed to be measured by its handling around a track? Is track time in a car class that will never see a track other than to bring you as a spectator important? Are you really going to do a Scandinavian flick in a 5m long landbarge? It’s supposed to be wafty and reassuring, not fastest round the track.

/pet peeve rant

 

10 minutes ago, Zelandeth said:

This. Times a thousand.  The VAG company cars a housemate gets through work piss me the hell off so badly in this regard.  

It's a £50+K luxobarge...why the absolute fluffing hell does it have solid shock absorbers and painted on tyres therefore rides about as well as a £10 child's scooter from Argos?!?

Fine, if you've bought the Audi RS6 and ticked all the spicy options, sure!  Go for it.  But why can't they offer an option that's actually bloody comfortable?

It's a pet peeve on my Volvo to be honest.  It's a lovely car in all other respects but the ride is bloody awful.  It needs about an extra 20% of side wall on the tyres and at least 25% softer dampers - I reckon it would waft along beautifully then.  As it is it's maddeningly crashy.  It's not even set up to handle - it's utterly neutral and unengaging in every way in the driving dynamics department (as you'd kind of expect given the type of car).

The absolute maddening obsession with making every car eek out every millisecond on a track really pisses me off.  I don't *want* to drive a racing car on the road.  A proper track car is a bloody horrible place to be anywhere other than a track!  Can we please stop trying to bring that onto the roads and force it down everyone's throats.

Bring back 80 profile tyres and squishy long travel suspension please.

On this aspect, I am 100% in agreement. What I look for in a car is olde-worlde/old money comfort, not slammed to the ground speed demons. We drive on public roads so don't need to drive like our arse is on fire.

But that's the market we're in. Everyone is trying to outdo one another, one-upmanship is a way of life for some people as it gives their life purpose sadly.

[Zelandeth]

16 minutes ago, Lord Sterling said:

 

On this aspect, I am 100% in agreement. What I look for in a car is olde-worlde/old money comfort, not slammed to the ground speed demons. We drive on public roads so don't need to drive like our arse is on fire.

But that's the market we're in. Everyone is trying to outdo one another, one-upmanship is a way of life for some people as it gives their life purpose sadly.

I still don't get it.  The ultimate in one-upping the rest of the masses automotively used to be a Rolls.  Which was about the furthest from a dynamic driver's car as you could get.  There was an obvious fork between the sporty and the squishy and I miss that.

I guess that's why I've always got on so well with Buicks and Oldsmobiles I've driven (and a mid 90s Chevy Astro).  Dynamic cars?  Hell no.  Absolutely effortless ways to cover interstellar distances in total and complete comfort better than you'll find in your house?  Absolutely.

I think it's even starting to irk him now in that he's at this stage in the company car tree that there's nothing available that's actually comfortable.  Currently have a top of the tree Multivan - and it still has bloody girders for suspension and 40 profile tyres.  It would actually be quite a pleasant place to be as a passenger if it wasn't for the absolutely diabolical ride.  It's like being in the back of a Series Land Rover going down a cobbled street at speed.

[IronStar]

I honestly don't get it, and this is coming from someone who has Pro Kit on most of his cars. Most of the cars I've ever driven somehow managed to hit a bizarre balance that's neither great handling-wise, and greatly improved by being a tad bit lower, nor set up for comfort. 

Yet, even I think that people taking 7 series, 607, A8, and similar behemoths to a track to prove....anything for the reviews and the press are completely out of their minds. We end up with cars that make no sense to drive around the regular roads, and if someone would dare to do differently, the car would be slammed by the press as "not as good as X" because of the metric that's just nonsensical. I think that's part of the reason why we ended up with SUV blobs - no one is really taking those round the Nurburgring (yet)

I managed to get the number and called the guy who installed LPG in the car. He remembers the car as it's so rare, and told me the previous owner never came back for an initial tune. He drove 3.0 V6 C6 for years, and knows the engines inside out. He recons that the running issues are caused by the completely wrong trims on LPG that knocked out ECU into a bizzare state that now needs adaptations to be reset, and a dead coil or two. I ordered 3x NGK coil packs and I'm meeting him on Monday for him to take a look. He has Lexia, so can't possibly hurt. 

[Zelandeth]

13 minutes ago, IronStar said:

I honestly don't get it, and this is coming from someone who has Pro Kit on most of his cars. Most of the cars I've ever driven somehow managed to hit a bizarre balance that's neither great handling-wise, and greatly improved by being a tad bit lower, nor set up for comfort. 

Yet, even I think that people taking 7 series, 607, A8, and similar behemoths to a track to prove....anything for the reviews and the press are completely out of their minds. We end up with cars that make no sense to drive around the regular roads, and if someone would dare to do differently, the car would be slammed by the press as "not as good as X" because of the metric that's just nonsensical. I think that's part of the reason why we ended up with SUV blobs - no one is really taking those round the Nurburgring (yet)...

Thing is, they have...We've had a Q5 and Q7 through here - they're set up similarly stupidly firmly as well.  The Q7 was honestly laughable in that it was so firm that it just about knocked the fillings out of your teeth driving over lane markings, never mind a pothole but equally wallowed around so much as to induce seasickness in passengers.  The Q5 was just fscking awful in every way - and I refused to get into it after the active safety systems tried to kill us the second time.  That's a whole different discussion though.  Dissatisfaction with those is basically why we've got the Multivan now as it's basically the only thing left in the relevant segment of the list that also meets our needs.  Going to be real fun later in the year when he's forced into an EV as it really isn't going to suit his use pattern a lot of the time.

Friend back up north has a BMW X5 and it's jiggly and fidgety as all hell on anything other than a billiard table smooth road too which to me just defeats the whole point of the whole SUV thing in the first place.

[IronStar]

4 hours ago, Zelandeth said:

Thing is, they have...We've had a Q5 and Q7 through here - they're set up similarly stupidly firmly as well.  The Q7 was honestly laughable in that it was so firm that it just about knocked the fillings out of your teeth driving over lane markings, never mind a pothole but equally wallowed around so much as to induce seasickness in passengers.  The Q5 was just fscking awful in every way - and I refused to get into it after the active safety systems tried to kill us the second time.  That's a whole different discussion though.  Dissatisfaction with those is basically why we've got the Multivan now as it's basically the only thing left in the relevant segment of the list that also meets our needs.  Going to be real fun later in the year when he's forced into an EV as it really isn't going to suit his use pattern a lot of the time.

Friend back up north has a BMW X5 and it's jiggly and fidgety as all hell on anything other than a billiard table smooth road too which to me just defeats the whole point of the whole SUV thing in the first place.

Utterly, utterly, bizarre choices in vehicular development. I thought that the whole point of those van-sized, double-decker height contraptions is having suspension travel to ignore the increasingly derelict roads. In hindsight, it makes sense they don’t, you can’t put a car on 22s and low profile tyres,  and expect it to stay comfortable, no matter how big you make it. 

No wonder Chinese manufacturers are killing it lately. I hope European companies get their shit together and start making cars that make sense before they lose every last bit of credibility and market appeal. 

[AnthonyG]

Still loving the ‘Bourgeois equipment’ spec level.

Like the 605, these never troubled the British upper-medium market, the last French barge that could be considered even vaguely successful over here was the Renault 25.

[Rightnider]

Nice ride!

In 2002 I worked at a taxi company that had a brand new one of these as a taxi. 2,2 automatic if memory serves me right, gold with beige leather, sat nav with colour screen and everything else you could think of. 
 

It was wonderfully comfortable, but had its niggles, the most irritating that it FTP’d had to be recovered quite often and spent three months at the dealership in the first year. The ’solution’ was the we got a box of small bottles with an additive for the diesel, probably an teething issue with the HDI-injection. 
 

It also had a habit of sounding the alarm when opening a door, even when the engine was on, which was a bit of a nuisance when dropping someone off at home at night in a quiet area.  I also hit a hare with it one night, and the entire front bumper was completely obliterated.

Other than that, it was a wonderful car, especially for longer trips. Wouldn’t say no to one!

 

[Rightnider]

2 minutes ago, Rightnider said:

colour screen

Was that even an option or is my memory playing tricks with me?

[IronStar]

1 hour ago, Rightnider said:

Was that even an option or is my memory playing tricks with me?

It had an option for satnav with colour screen. Mine came with one originally 

Early, with smaller screen 

 

Facelift with bigger one

[IronStar]

9 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Still loving the ‘Bourgeois equipment’ spec level.

Like the 605, these never troubled the British upper-medium market, the last French barge that could be considered even vaguely successful over here was the Renault 25.

I don’t remember seeing these on the street here either. I’m yet to see one even after I bought this one, and I kinda expected GTA effect of starting to see them everywhere. Nope. Not even one. 

I also did a bit more digging around the paperwork that came with the car. It was delivered new in Serbia in 2003. Headlight washer nozzles are missing because previous owner had a shunt into Skoda Rapid in 2021, going out of parking spot judging by the description. Leaky wiper fluid is presumably lines going to the headlight wipers that unblanked themselves. Gearbox was rebuilt at 116k km in 2023, at €OUCH. LPG conversion was done in 2022, and was 2k€, but was last serviced in 2023, and is now well overdue, even if LPG map was alright (it isn’t). Super fancy BRC system that talks to main ECU via CAN, has self learning, maps, firmware updates, and the guy who installed it tells me that every time it goes into the service, they dump the ECU and send it home where an actual person looks at it and tunes it so it fits the particular car right. 
Obviously lot of the money went into this car, even by part service history that came with it, it was just sitting for a while and needs a bit of love and recommissioning. 

[Rightnider]

1 hour ago, IronStar said:

It had an option for satnav with colour screen. Mine came with one originally 

Yes! When I had written the post, it occurred to med that I would have been very early for such a novelty. 

[jim89]

Some parts still available...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2410149636109551/?ref=product_details

[IronStar]

29 minutes ago, jim89 said:

Some parts still available...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2410149636109551/?ref=product_details

Thanks, but about 2000km too far away from me 😄

[jim89]

1 hour ago, IronStar said:

Thanks, but about 2000km too far away from me 😄

Epic international 'shitely adventure*... 😀

If it really is still a "crate" engine, it should ship easy enough as it's not full of oil , petrol vapours etc ? I dunno though...

[IronStar]

Took Mrs Star for a drive last night. She understands why I like it, and appreciates the luxury and comfort, but prefers the 159. She finds the Peugeot lacking character, unlike Alfa that oozes with character and charm. I can certainly see where she’s coming from. 

To my great amusement, the 607 apparently still has the “big black car” aura around it. People are not really sure what is it, and it’s big and black, so you get away with things that would result in the honks if you were in something else. Flashing people holding up the traffic gets immediate reaction, and when faced with the road too narrow for two cars, the other car starts reversing without uncomfortable stalemate. I don’t intend to abuse any of this, but I honestly didn’t expect people reacting like this to a car that’s worth really not much. Maybe Peugeot got it more right than I initially thought? 

[IronStar]

I have to report that it now decided to run right, and CEL is gone like it was never there. I’m not sure if I’m more mortified by P0300 CEL or it randomly disappearing. I need to take it for a longer run to if it comes back. Bum warmers are ace, and seat comfort is second only to F02 7 series out of all the cars I’ve ever been in. 

Meeting the LPG guy tomorrow to see what he thinks and get it scanned by Lexia.

[alcyonecorporation]

Love the car. 

The alloys are AIDS. 

[IronStar]

Met up with LPG guy, he connected it to BRC’s diag, and the hardware is looking good. Software-wise, the map is off. He dumped the map and diag log (plenty in the log, LPG last serviced in 2022), and he’ll take a look at both to adjust it. We’re meeting again tomorrow to get the new map in and take it for a longer drive to see if it’s happy. Also booked it for belts and service next week. 

[MrBig]

2 hours ago, alcyonecorporation said:

Love the car. 

The alloys are AIDS. 

All I Desire, Surely?

[IronStar]

ES9 in 607 has 4 valve covers, 2 plastic, 2 aluminum. Aluminum ones don’t have gaskets, it comes with sealant in the groove, which hardens over time and makes it nigh-on impossible to remove and replace. Plastic ones have gaskets, but in their infinite wisdom* PSA decided that the gasket is not a separate item, and only comes as a part of the complete cover. Somehow aftermarket didn’t plug this gap either. There’s a Russian company making the plastic cover gaskets, but good luck getting them outside of Russia and neighboring countries. 
Covers are ~150€ each, out of stock, and come from PSA Stellantis. Needless to say, all 4 of them will get a generous smearing of sealant and be sent on their merry way. 

French cars. Never a dull moment. 

Outside of this, it got new belts, and associated hardware, water pump, plugs, coils, coolant, brake fluid, rear sway bars, CV boots, steering rack boots, and is going through another check as it’s being assembled. It was still on original belts that somehow hadn’t perished after 23 years(!), but the water pump started shedding vanes as soon as it was removed. 
Hopefully should be back with me tomorrow 🤞

[Brigsy]

Is this the same engine as clio v6? My friend said the same about the valve cover gaskets only available with the cover. Nightmare to find.