Missing* Dyane

[Split_Pin]

6 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Yes, my parent's did one for me and my sister years ago - I think when my last neice was born and they did their wills at the same time.

Did one for my mum at her request after my dad died last year. I don't quite know how it works but I believe its quite an important thing.

[Bear]

8 minutes ago, alcyonecorporation said:

oh my god, they're not getting that back 

Never know, the dealer has enough cars of value and premises, and this is social media visible so either they "disappear" it and never hear the end of it or sell a car without everything being questioned and treated as likely to be dodgy, or they go "shit, didn't realise", hand it back to the owner and look like they have some degree of decency in the whole thing.

[Bear]

1 minute ago, Split_Pin said:

Did one for my mum at her request after my dad died last year. I don't quite know how it works but I believe its quite an important thing.

It is if they lose the capacity to make decisions for themselves. It gives people the power to take their property and finances, effectively, hence a lot of scammy property and care lawyers doing it with isolated and vulnerable people.

[sierraman]

I did a wind up years ago on Freecycle about this Capri 2.8 I’d found in this house I’d supposedly bought. ‘Just needed it gone’ ‘covered in dust’ ‘old guy had it that lived there from new’

Brought all the usual cunts out. Unfortunately I had to tell them I’d needed it shifting asap and I’d had to pay a firm to move it. 😂

[Split_Pin]

12 hours ago, trigger said:

It was for sale on Marketplace last week

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1AJEaveiKe/

Also now removed, I could view it this morning, even although it was marked sold.

[richardmorris]

Dealer has returned it this morning Will says...

 

Yes, I the dealer called me this morning as apparently someone had tipped him off that there was a back story. He is sending the car back to the guy who got it out of the garage as he (sensibly) doesn't want to be involved. Not sure where this leaves things but hopefully the family can go from there.

[alcyonecorporation]

5 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Dealer has returned it this morning Will says...

 

Yes, I the dealer called me this morning as apparently someone had tipped him off that there was a back story. He is sending the car back to the guy who got it out of the garage as he (sensibly) doesn't want to be involved. Not sure where this leaves things but hopefully the family can go from there.

Hang on - back to the guy who got it out of the garage?! 

Yeah, they're gonna do the right thing aren't they? Very happy to be proven wrong on that, but - given that they took the car on false pretences - I won't hold my breath. 

Shouldn't the dealer be returning it directly to the family? 

[richardmorris]

1 minute ago, alcyonecorporation said:

Hang on - back to the guy who got it out of the garage?! 

Shouldn't he be returning it directly to the family? 

Well...that's what I'd have thought but presumably wants his money back?

[sierraman]

3 minutes ago, alcyonecorporation said:

Hang on - back to the guy who got it out of the garage?! 

Yeah, they're gonna do the right thing aren't they? Very happy to be proven wrong on that, but - given that they took the car on false pretences - I won't hold my breath. 

Shouldn't the dealer be returning it directly to the family? 

I’d be surprised if it’s not back there already with a bunch of flowers on the back seat as an apology. 

[alcyonecorporation]

14 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Well...that's what I'd have thought but presumably wants his money back?

He needs to accept that he's lost whatever he gave for it and salvage some moral high ground before the family press charges, he's the highest profile person in all of this and could be gripped for handling stolen goods. 

That's the only thing I would accept had this happened to a member of my family; otherwise I'd be going to the police saying that - unwittingly or otherwise - he bought a car that was stolen from a family member who was confused and couldn't consent. If he doesn't know where the family are, it'll be on the totally legit V5 or the police can help. 

It's the only way he's coming out of this looking honourable.
Fuck his money: he should have done due diligence. Dyanes are worth something; if that thing was suspiciously cheap he should have fucking well known better. 

[sierraman]

2 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Well...that's what I'd have thought but presumably wants his money back?

Good luck on that front. 

[alcyonecorporation]

Just now, sierraman said:

I’d be surprised if it’s not back there already with a bunch of flowers on the back seat as an apology. 

I hope you're right. 

I want you to be right. 

[Dick Cheeseburger]

Sounds legit... Get a tip off that the car you've bought is stolen so you decide to sell it back to the tea leaf you bought it from. Makes perfect sense...

 

[sierraman]

Just now, alcyonecorporation said:

I hope you're right. 

I want you to be right. 

It’ll all have been a big misunderstanding. 

[richardmorris]

1 minute ago, Dick Cheeseburger said:

Sounds legit... Get a tip off that the car you've bought is stolen so you decide to sell it back to the tea leaf you bought it from. Makes perfect sense...

 

Perhaps they're a regular source of vehicles for him?

 

[alcyonecorporation]

3 minutes ago, sierraman said:

It’ll all have been a big misunderstanding. 

I hope so, because otherwise, he looks like a dodgy, thieving cunt. 

[Split_Pin]

42 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Perhaps they're a regular source of vehicles for him?

 

I would suggest so and in this occasion hes been rumbled.

I bought one car off a dodgy cunt in the street and got ripped off. No way would any sensible person do that, less so if they've got it on a flatbed and even less so from a trailer park. The dealer knew fine well what he was buying.

[Split_Pin]

51 minutes ago, sierraman said:

It’ll all have been a big misunderstanding. 

 

[Bear]

9 minutes ago, Split_Pin said:

I would suggest so and in this occasion hes been rumbled.

I bought one car off a dodgy cunt in the street and got ripped off. No way would any sensible person do that, less so if they've got it on a flatbed and even less so from a trailer park. The dealer knew fine well what he was buying.

Oh, I am sure from the dealer's stock and history of "not-functional cars that have been dragged backwards out of some long-term and now elderly resident's garage", they will have a relationship and agreement that the shit that isn't shite comes to be sold as a nice classic - and occasionally it's nice enough to get something more legit PX or bought in.

As indicated the Volvo definitely has that air about it, as did the Wolseley on their recent items.

[Bradders59]

Police need to be involved. Its either been stolen or a vulnerable elderly person has been coerced into letting them have it.

Either way its criminal.

[Bradders59]

Yep. I would imagine the dealer has contacted the pikeys and told them that this one is getting too hot for him to handle.

Although, if they took the car back and gave him his money back, it would be the first time Ive ever heard of such a thing.

 

Not too many years ago a pub local to me was bought by enterprising caravan dwellers.

The landlord was an alcoholic who had been given a liver transplant but had fallen off the wagon again, so wife divorced him and he had to sell the pub.

They convinced him that the best thing would be to put half through the books for tax (and maybe divorce settlement) and they would then pay the other half in cash.

He stupidly agreed to this and the day after the deal was signed he went to the site in his Bentley to collect the cash.

They said they had no idea what he was talking about. They had bought the pub (for £150,000 I believe) and there was no half in cash (so another £150,000) to come.

When he tried to argue they told him they could smell alcohol on his breath and called the old bill, who came and arrested him for drink driving.

When he went back to collect his Bentley the next day they had battered fuck out of every panel with iron bars and it was wrecked.

So the poor sap lost half the value of his pub and his Bentley and there wasnt a thing he could do.

[alcyonecorporation]

The family need to go the police and give him an ultimatum: return the car for [set time] or they press charges. 
If the car's given back in front of witnesses with a grovelling apology, no charges. 

[Bradders59]

I agree, If he gives it back to the people he got it from the chances of getting the car or the money back from them will probably be slim to none. 

He is probably in possession of stolen goods, and that isnt a charge a motor trader would want attached to his reputation.

[alcyonecorporation]

Oh, I know from having sent high court bailiffs after cunts who have owed me money that it isn't hard to dissolve or liquidate a firm, transfer the assets and start back up again under a new name. 
If the allegations of him employing travellers to drag cars out of garages are true, he clearly doesn't give a fuck. 

The fact he'd sooner return the car to the thieving cunts who lifted it rather than the family doesn't help his case either. 

If he doesn't want to get tried by social media or the court of public opinion, he needs to step up. But he's clearly too upset about his outgoings (I've seen figures of between £500 and £2000 banded about) to do the right thing. 

 

[sierraman]

I don’t know the background of the dealer. If it has been took by members of the travelling community, they are not going to be deterred by threats of litigation. Nor would it be wise to turn up at the site, chances of you leaving under your own steam in that scenario are slim. 

[Bradders59]

Bearing in mind it was in a locked garage, you have to wonder how they found out about it.

[Bear]

1 hour ago, Bradders59 said:

Bearing in mind it was in a locked garage, you have to wonder how they found out about it.

Already said, they were knocking on doors - happens a few times a year here, a bit of flyering for building or garden work and 'any scrap metal' and if you don't answer the door quickly and have an alley or carport, chances are when you do pop out, someone will be peering down them.

Amazing the number of times (at different places) this has happened /right/ as I was in the middle of working on a car with a meter-long breaker bar and just happened to be heading that way having 'not heard the door'. Almost as amazing as how fast they leave. I'd like to think that in the moments between they might clock the ring doorbell or floodlight camera... either way, I don't see the same people twice and get fewer gardening leaflets than I used to.

I have had people knock and wait and ask when I've had obvious scrap lying about. and I'm glad of them taking it, but one of the reasons the RX7 got moved swiftly indoors was a couple of flyers and then a courier I'd not seen before asking questions and wanting to send his mate a picture...

[Split_Pin]

Strangely its quite rare to see spurious-looking folk in my street as there is a formal site about a mile from me, however it has happened.

2 guys, bold as brass, pretending to walk a dog up and down every cul-de-sac whilst whistling and looking into people's homes (for dogs). I was working on a Cavalier at the time and had the bonnet up so I could see without being seen. It was their cocky attitude that bothered me the most. I called the Fez right away and about 4 neighbours had caught them in their Ring doorbells. Its what prompted me to buy mine.

[Dobloseven]

Many years ago,I did some repairs for a lady who lived on the same road as motorpunk.Her daughter worked in London and had bought the house to use at weekends.The previous owner had left a very tidy looking 2CV Charleston under the carport.They'd tried to contact them to get it moved,to no avail.She told me to just take it as they were fed up with it being there.At the time we were running new or decent vehicles and I'd no interest and didn't know anyone who had,so took it no further.How things have changed.....

[colino]

The dealer will be, rightfully, crapping themselves and not just the immediate bad press.  Most buyers know that the Consumers Rights Act makes the dealer responsible for the car being fit for purpose, satisfactory quality and as described, but right up there with those magic three, they must be able to demonstrate that they have the right to sell it. If there is anything missing from the car log, like details of who sold it to them, receipt and paper trail. Trading Standards will hear the public outcry and stomp all over them.