Dangel 504 4x4 Pickup parts required.

[Scruffy Bodger]

I think that you should talk to the 504 registrar of Club Peugeot UK about it.

 

Is that Ian Kirkwood as mentioned above? I did find mention of a 504 pickup in RHD here https://pscuk.net/threads/70177-Old-pugs-are-still-working-hard in post #7. The chap who owns it was told it was some sort of prototype by the chap who sold it so maybe that's possible?

 

I'll have a go at getting the remains of this bearing out when I get chance but it's looking like I'll have to get the drivers side off too to measure as the remains of this one are lost. I might but a vernier as I lent mine to a mate some years back, he then let someone else use it and fucked it, it's probably about time I had another tbh.

 

CBS in Kidderminster is our local supplier but not used them in many years so don't know if they are any good anymore? 

[catsinthewelder]

I've got a digital vernier if you want to borrow it.  I'm not meeting you at the pub this time though as it got very silly last time,

[Scruffy Bodger]

I've got a digital vernier if you want to borrow it.  I'm not meeting you at the pub this time though as it got very silly last time,

 

LMFAO blame ball bag not me, I was sensible and left you all too it Might just take you up on that offer ta if I can motivate myself

[tooSavvy]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Electronic-Vernier-Caliper-Micrometer/dp/B00W4Z7A3O/ref=asc_df_B00W4Z7A3O/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=235021894018&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9233548433096022284&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046775&hvtargid=pla-361128060655&psc=1

[jon.k]

Is that Ian Kirkwood as mentioned above? I did find mention of a 504 pickup in RHD here https://pscuk.net/threads/70177-Old-pugs-are-still-working-hard in post #7. The chap who owns it was told it was some sort of prototype by the chap who sold it so maybe that's possible?

 

Ian isn’t the 504 registrar, but that person would be a good person to ask too. They really saved me a lot of beating around the bush with my 305.

[Steve79]

Parts cross reference in the irb catalogue shows two part numbers.

 

K 82611 = quinton hazel part code qwb291

(Also fits alpine a310 1971-1981, peugeot 604 1975-1980)

 

K 82612 = quinton hazel part code qwb461

(Also fits 505 2.2turbo, 2.8v6)

 

Qwb291 - https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F254134809412

 

Qwb461- https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F131846803118

 

The irb catalogue also has the dimensions of each bearings listed at the back of the catalogue.

[Scruffy Bodger]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Electronic-Vernier-Caliper-Micrometer/dp/B00W4Z7A3O/ref=asc_df_B00W4Z7A3O/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=235021894018&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9233548433096022284&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046775&hvtargid=pla-361128060655&psc=1

 

How much? That's mental! Ever so slightly cheaper than some Mitutoyo ones.

 

 

Is that Ian Kirkwood as mentioned above? I did find mention of a 504 pickup in RHD here https://pscuk.net/threads/70177-Old-pugs-are-still-working-hard in post #7. The chap who owns it was told it was some sort of prototype by the chap who sold it so maybe that's possible?

 

Ian isn’t the 504 registrar, but that person would be a good person to ask too. They really saved me a lot of beating around the bush with my 305.

 

It would be nice to find out a bit more about it too if they have any info?

 

 

Parts cross reference in the irb catalogue shows two part numbers.

 

K 82611 = quinton hazel part code qwb291

(Also fits alpine a310 1971-1981, peugeot 604 1975-1980)

 

K 82612 = quinton hazel part code qwb461

(Also fits 505 2.2turbo, 2.8v6)

 

Qwb291 - https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F254134809412

 

Qwb461- https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F131846803118

 

The irb catalogue also has the dimensions of each bearings listed at the back of the catalogue.

 

Great, thanks. I might pop and see my Blacksmith mate tomorrow and see if I can persuade the bit I've got to come apart.

[dieselnutjob]

Is that Ian Kirkwood as mentioned above? I did find mention of a 504 pickup in RHD here https://pscuk.net/threads/70177-Old-pugs-are-still-working-hard in post #7. The chap who owns it was told it was some sort of prototype by the chap who sold it so maybe that's possible?

 

Ian isn’t the 504 registrar, but that person would be a good person to ask too. They really saved me a lot of beating around the bush with my 305.

 

It's another guy whos name escapes me.  I'll dig it up later (remind me if I don't).

Yes Ian would also be interested.  I have his phone number.

[Scruffy Bodger]

Ok. Have got the bearing out but still no access to a decent vernier. Tbh a standard one is no use as the bearing sits too deep in the casing. The very rough measurements so far are diameter 83.5mm and width 35.5mm. No idea on shaft size as yet.

[LightBulbFun]

Dangel loved to change parts frequently, 505 is not the same.

 

Check here for bearing sizes used, they differ by vin. Pages 38Z xx.

 

http://public.servicebox.peugeot.com/classic/AIDE/8504C/FB/G3/index.html

 

If you can't find somebody selling the bearing by size. let me know the part number and i will ask around the 504 scene for it. I can also search for the missing hub, need the correct part number.

 

 

 

I didn't get the vin sorry. I'll look for it next time thanks.

 

is the Vin still needed? I can try look up the registration on the website Iv been using for all my Invacar stuff?

 

and if so who do I pm it to?

[Asimo]

Under all the crud on the outer race there is probably a makers id and part number. A bearing specialist should fond enough to work from in the numbers.

[omegod]

How the fook do you lose a big heavy hub ? it can't be far away from the truck can it !

[pshome]

What is so difficult about reading the VIN and then follow the link i posted where all the parts are shown in most beautiful graphics  and the bearing sizes are nicely printed using easily readable text, it's not even comic sans.

[LightBulbFun]

What is so difficult about reading the VIN and then follow the link i posted where all the parts are shown in most beautiful graphics  and the bearing sizes are nicely printed using easily readable text, it's not even comic sans.

 

I can probably get the VIN, but its not my vehicle and i know the VIN is considered somewhat personal information so im waiting for the OPs permission before I go pulling it up

[pshome]

you need not publish the VIN to look up the part,no?

[LightBulbFun]

you need not publish the VIN to look up the part,no?

 

fair point, but im just trying to be courteous towards the OP here

 

(as a side note, I cant read french, but is Number 2 on page 1 of 38Z the bearing in question?)

[pshome]

 

 

(as a side note, I cant read french, but is Number 2 on page 1 of 38Z the bearing in question?)

 

I don't know, check the graphic for what you need, then match the part with the reference on the right side by number. Roulement  =  bearing,  jusqu'a = up to (VIN) , depuis = from (VIN).

Maybe check page 37A as well....

[Scruffy Bodger]

What is so difficult about reading the VIN and then follow the link i posted where all the parts are shown in most beautiful graphics  and the bearing sizes are nicely printed using easily readable text, it's not even comic sans.

Maybe the OP isn't in a very good place in his life and has a beer problem and forgot your very useful information bit is still trying to help out a friend for nothing and save a very cool bit of old kit.

 

Ta for the reminder, I haven't seen the truck since the last post but the hub is still intact I'll check on the vin.

[Scruffy Bodger]

Ok, so according to the link provided by pshome it looks like I am after a 6 digit number starting with CA? So I'm assuming this plate is it as I translated Carrosserie to Body in English, assuming that CA is an abbreviation of that?

 

It looks like then the bearing I want is No 2 part number 3326 34? Measuring 42mm internal by 84mm external by 36mm width.

 

I've put up a photo as I think the chances of someone trying to ring a rhd Dangel 504 pickup are relatively remote  these days?

 

The inner wings look surprisingly solid which is good.

[Scruffy Bodger]

First hit on ebay pulls up this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wheel-Bearing-SKF-444090-AB-for-PEUGEOT-504-SIMCA-TALBOT-42-X-84-X-36/202302792702?epid=12018803270&hash=item2f1a2fa3fe:g:Tq4AAOSw0KhcevVc&frcectupt=true

[LightBulbFun]

Ok, so according to the link provided by pshome it looks like I am after a 6 digit number starting with CA? So I'm assuming this plate is it as I translated Carrosserie to Body in English, assuming that CA is an abbreviation of that?

 

It looks like then the bearing I want is No 2 part number 3326 34? Measuring 42mm internal by 84mm external by 36mm width.

 

I've put up a photo as I think the chances of someone trying to ring a rhd Dangel 504 pickup are relatively remote  these days?

 

The inner wings look surprisingly solid which is good.

 

looking up the registration with my Number plate to VIN thingy spits out a completely different VIN number FYI...

[Scruffy Bodger]

Under all the crud on the outer race there is probably a makers id and part number. A bearing specialist should fond enough to work from in the numbers.

 

I've scrubbed it up best as I can and no trace sadly.

 

First link on ebay brings me up with this SKF 444090 AB https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wheel-Bearing-SKF-444090-AB-for-PEUGEOT-504-SIMCA-TALBOT-42-X-84-X-36/202302792702?epid=12018803270&hash=item2f1a2fa3fe:g:Tq4AAOSw0KhcevVc

[Scruffy Bodger]

looking up the registration with my Number plate to VIN thingy spits out a completely different VIN number FYI...

 

Well that's that theory blown out the water then lol There are 2 other plates on the truck too though.

[LightBulbFun]

Well that's that theory blown out the water then lol There are 2 other plates on the truck too though.

 

do you want me to post the number here or PM it to you? if you want it?

[BrokenFrenchTat]

Lovely old beast, could do with a bit of metal melty stick by the looks of it

 

Possibly daft to say but have you tried looking for parts in Cyprus? 

[Scruffy Bodger]

Get measurements from the inner race & outer race.

Width / I.D / O.D / Type of bearing (Ball, needle etc)

And throw us the info, I'll hopefully be able to identify it.. possibly supply one

 

Hi, does this offer still stand as getting closer now?

 

LBF, here's the other two plates if you get 2 mins to confirm anything, ta.

[LightBulbFun]

the line starting with "VF3" and ending with "24" under "Automobiles Peugeot"

 

matches with what the Number plate to vin plate thingy says

 

"VF3-504V40-G4043124" is what i get

[Scruffy Bodger]

Well that makes sense but it doesn't seem to tally with the number on the info pshome provided. Diag 38z 20a reads depuis c CA100102. Which led me to the 42 x 84 -36 bearing size, as I understand it anyway.

[pshome]

CA is the "numero CArrosserie", chassis number, the little tag left of the Peugeot plate, reading 117647 in your case.

[Scruffy Bodger]

CA is the "numero CArrosserie", chassis number, the little tag left of the Peugeot plate, reading 117647 in your case.

 

Great, thanks, very much for confirming that 

 

An SKF bearing appears to be available from Serbia for £38 posted, would you think that is around the right figure? SKF's site doesn't seem to list it and the other UK based suppliers don't list that size either so I'm assuming it is obsolete?