mrbenn Posted February 21, 2019 Posted February 21, 2019 So you're fine but eligible for a wheel chair? Right...... Get that appeal on the go! Ohdearme and LightBulbFun 2
LightBulbFun Posted February 21, 2019 Author Posted February 21, 2019 So you're fine but eligible for a wheel chair? Right...... Get that appeal on the go! Yep thats what is being suggested, guess Its what I should expect, tis the government after-all *more grumbling* also most amusingly the letter recommends I go to my local Job centre for JSA Well where the fuck do you think i came from!? Augh! (For those not in the know, i was on JSA originally, but they realised I was too broken for them so they moved me onto ESA, I guess they just wanted to make me someone else's problem...) mrbenn 1
Mrcento Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 So you're fine but eligible for a wheel chair? Right...... Get that appeal on the go! That's not really a surprise, i know of a woman with serious back problems, she can walk with short distances sticks, has little to no feeling in her legs or arms, can't grip things, can't sit for any length of time, governments assessment of her was completely able bodied and fit for work.
mrbenn Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 That's not really a surprise, i know of a woman with serious back problems, she can walk with short distances sticks, has little to no feeling in her legs or arms, can't grip things, can't sit for any length of time, governments assessment of her was completely able bodied and fit for work. I realise it's likely a cost cutting exercise, and fingers crossed most people will win their appeals, but it does seem a very unfair and stressful process.
LightBulbFun Posted February 22, 2019 Author Posted February 22, 2019 so you probably saw the AC 3 wheeler I posted in the "cars you did not know existed" thread well since then more information has come to light on them and its pretty Model 70 related so I think its worthy of a post here (plus I think there cool and this is my thread ) from what iv been told they where a prototype City car developed following a government incentive in the 1960s/1970s to reduce congestion etc its thought that they do indeed use the entire rear half of a Model 70 chassis complete with Steyr puch engine and CVT Transmission/gearbox it would be interesting to hear how they handled compared to a Model 70, I wonder what front setup the 3 wheeler had, im guessing they would of also used the front suspension unit from a Model 70 there too its interesting to note how the Red 4 wheeler comes back as having a 650cc engine, again raising the engine question I have on Model 70s (I was right to think stuart might know about em, turns out there one of his research projects so to speak that he has been chasing over the past few years ) 500tops, Dick Cheeseburger, GrumpiusMaximus and 4 others 7
LightBulbFun Posted February 23, 2019 Author Posted February 23, 2019 after reading vulgalours The Wedgister thread, I thought to myself I should compile a 1 post list of all known surviving Model 70s so here we go, ill try sort by Plate/Age where i can, each car will probably be listed in a sort of ians bus stop history log style, manner I know theres a few I have left out, but I have so few details on them its hard to include them in the list properly, im sure ill figure something out for the ones without regs etc feel free to let me know if I have missed any UK reg ones or made any obvious mistakes I hope you all enjoy? it all currently I have 53 known surviving Model 70s documented below 27 are ACs and 26 are Invacars out of those known, 14 are taxed GPG721K, AC, date of first registration: 20th of August 1971, current status: with the museum of transport Glasgow, untaxed since 1st of August 1978, 4 Total keepers, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 4 July 2006, notable for being the oldest known surviving AC Model 70 and having steering wheel and foot pedal control) Last taxed in Ministry Service 1st of August 1978 KPK888K, AC date of first registration: 4th of may 1972, current status: Unknown, shows as SORN on the DVLA site with 1 MOT in October 2009, 6 Total keepers, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 17 March 2021, Dates of previous V5C's (logbooks) issued, 8 October 2009, 24 September 2010, 22 October 2012 TWC725K, Invacar, Date of first registration: 19th of June 1972, Current status with Dollywobbler, in running order, in storage, Current Tax, current MOT, 2 MOTs in 2019, 2018, 4 Total keepers, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 11 June 2020, Dates of previous V5C's (logbooks) issued, 02 January 1998, 19 April 2018. notable for being the oldest known surviving Invacar Model 70, Last taxed in Ministry service 16th June 2003 NPD775L, AC, Date of First Registration 27th of September 1972, Current Status in private microcar collection owned by Scott Milne, Untaxed since 1st January 2001, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 18 February 1993, notable for being the "1Leg" Model 70, and being one of only 2 Model 70's known to still retain its original dash mounted gear change, Last Taxed in Ministry service 1st of January 2001 WHK372L, Invacar, Date of first registration 16th of November 1972, current status with st185cs? otherwise unknown, untaxed since 1st November 2003, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 5 June 2002, last taxed in Ministry service 1st November 2003 RRE20L, AC, Date of first registration: 15th of December 1972, Current status, reported to be with some chap in London, otherwise unknown. Untaxed since December 1981, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 8 December 1983, notable for being one of the very few Model 70s sold privately JNJ135L, AC, Date of first registration 5th of April 1973, Current status: Unknown, thought to be in Yorkshire, notable for being one of the very few Model 70's sold privately, Tax status Unknown 2 MOTs in 2012 ATW722L, Invacar, Date of first registration 9th of July 1973, Current status: exported to Kuwait otherwise unknown, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 18 October 2017 TPA621M, AC, Date of first registration 31st August 1973, Current Status: With Zelandeth, on the road in regular use, Current Tax, No MOT history, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 29 January 2019, Last taxed in Ministry Service 1st November 2001 UPB262M, AC, Date of first registration 13th November 1973, Current status: With st185cs otherwise unknown, Currently SORN, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 29 April 2021 Dates of previous V5C's (logbooks) issued, 9 August 1994, Last taxed in Ministry service 1st May 2002 VPF441M, AC, Date of first registration 11 June 1974, Current status: with Simon Mckeown of the invalid carriage register untaxed since 1st August 2004 (showing false SORN), Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 3 February 1999 WPC902M, AC, Date of First registration 25th July 1974, Current status with Ian Hellings in the US. notable for having steering wheel control, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 17 May 1999, last taxed in Ministry service 12th May 2003 GEV492N, Invacar, Date of first registration, 17 October 1974, Current status: Export marker Yes otherwise Unknown, untaxed since 01 December 1991, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 30 August 2011, Last taxed in Ministry service 1st December 1991 GTW614N, Invacar Date of First Registration 27 November 1974 Current Status on the road with Adam Bennett, Current Tax, Date of Last V5C (logbook) issued 2 Feburary 2021 Dates of previous V5C's (logbooks) issued, 10th December 2020 GPF282N, AC, Date of first registration 20th December 1974, Current Status on the road with Adam Bennett, Current Tax, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 24 February 2021 Dates of previous V5C's (logbooks) issued, 18th January 2021 JPA268N, AC, Date of first registration 16 May 1975, Current status: with someone in Torquay otherwise Unknown, Current Tax no MOT, MOTed between 2016-2018, notable for having steering wheel control, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 16 July 2018 JPA319N, AC, Date of first registration 22 May 1975, Current status Unknown, last spotted for sale on ebay around 2012? minus drive-train, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 6 December 1994 JPA 347N, AC, Date of first registration, 6 June 1975, Current status: Unknown in the US somewhere, its thought JCB421N is actually JPA347N KPC525P, AC, Date of first registration 16 September 1975, Current status, has Export marker, otherwise Unknown, untaxed since 1st march 1997, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 13 December 2010. KPC538P, AC, Date of First registration 19 September 1975, Current status, with Adam Bennett on the road, current tax, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 24 February 2021, last taxed in Ministry service 1st March 2004 LNO970P, Invacar, Date of first registration: 19 September 1975, Current status: in private microcar collection owned by Scott Milne, Current Tax No MOT, 4 in the past 2011 2016 and 2 in 2017, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 5 September 2017 notable for running around as "RAR49R" for a while KPK71P, AC, Date of first registration: 10 October 1975, Current status: in "The Bubblecar Museum" in Langrick England, No MOT, Untaxed since 01 October 2002, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 5 March 1993, last taxed in Ministry service 1st October 2002 MEV419P, Invacar, Date of first registration: 3 December 1975. Current status: owned by Alan Hitchcock, Untaxed since 1st February 2021, no MOT history, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 4 April 2011, Last taxed in Ministry service 1st October 2003 MVW434P, Invacar, Date of first registration: 31 December 1975, Current status: with st185cs? otherwise unknown, Untaxed since 1st September 2002, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 21 February 2000, Last taxed in Ministry service 1st September 2002 MVW446P, Invacar, Date of first registration: 6 January 1976, Current status: in the jesada technik museum, Thailand, notable for being Stuart Cyphus's first Model 70, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued. 15 August 2002, Last taxed in Ministry service 1st June 2000 MHJ22P, Invacar, Date of first registration: 21 January 1976, Current status: with st185cs, otherwise Unknown, current tax, no MOT history, notable for, being the first Model 70 to return to the road properly via the DVLA after the mass cull in 2003, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 10 September 2018 MHJ107P, Invacar Date of First Registration 4th February, Current Status, with Jake Todd in Lincolnshire, otherwise Unknown, untaxed since 1st February 1997, Last V5 issued, 3rd September 2010, Last taxed in ministry service 1st February 1997 LPL837P, AC, Date of first registration 27 February 1976, Current status: with The National Motor Museum Trust, notable for having tiller steering with foot controls, current SORN, No MOT history, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 9 November 2012 MPD536P, AC, Date of first registration: 9 April 1976, Current status: owned by Aled Rees in Bristol, untaxed since 1st January 1993, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 26 May 2011, Last taxed in Ministry Service 1st January 1993 MPD553P, AC, Date of first registration 13 April 1976, Current status: Unknown, notable for having the private reg VAV1L and a Kubota diesel engine. Current tax no MOT, 2 in the past in 2016 and 2017, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 20 June 2017, Last taxed in Ministry service 1st of April 2003 MPH759P, AC, Date of first registration 9 June 1976, Current status, owned by Brian in Sheffield on on road in regular use, Notable, for previously having a Q plate, Q231PVL, current Tax no MOT history, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 23 April 2019, last taxed in Ministry service 1st of July 1997 OVW445P, Invacar, Date of First registration: 14 July 1976, Current status: with st185cs? otherwise Unknown, Untaxed since 01 March 2004, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 5 June 2002, Last taxed in Ministry service 1st march 2004 NPN924P, AC, Date of first registration: 16 July 1976, Current status: Unknown, Current SORN, no MOT history, notable for being one of the very few Model 70's sold privately, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 31 October 2011 PHK714R, Invacar, Date of first registration: 16 September 1976, Current status owned by a chap called Aled Rees in Bristol, untaxed since 1st of September 1995, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 23 January 2012, last taxed in Ministry service 1st September 1995 REV451R, Invacar, Date of First registration 5th November 1976 Current Status: with LightBulbFun (Dez), undergoing recommissioning, Current Tax, no MOT history, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 28 May 2020, notable for being one of the very few Model 70's sold privately, staring in the Film "Ali G inDahouse" and belonging to Mr Dennis Webb husband to Marrion webb OPH868R, AC, Date of First Registration 30th November 1976, Current status with Mrs6c (Claire), undergoing recommissioning, currently SORN, no MOT history, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 15 November 2019, notable for having steering wheel with hand throttle/brake lever control scheme with unusual dash mounted heater and choke controls, last taxed in Ministry service 1st of February 2004 RPU821R, Invacar, Date of first registration 10 December 1976, current status in private microcar collection owned by Scott Milne in road worthy condition, Current tax, no MOT, 5 in the past between 2012-2017, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 3 November 2017, Last taxed in Ministry service 1st of December 2003 PPC363R, AC, Date of first registration 13 December 1976, Current status with Simon Mckeown of the ICR, untaxed since 28th April 2003, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 9 December 2002, notable for being ringed with the ID of an AC Petite "OYP595", last taxed in ministry service 28th April 2003 RPF19R, AC, Date of first registration:27 April 1977, current status: with the Lakeland Motor Museum, SORN, No MOT history, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 11 June 2011, notable for having steering wheel control with hand operated brake/throttle TTW991R, Invacar, Date of first registration: 18th of May 1977, Current status: in private microcar collection owned by Scott Milne being recommissioned, Untaxed since 27 March 2011, No MOT, 1 MOT in 2012, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 13 September 2018, last taxed in Ministry service 1st of June 2002 TVW4R, Invacar, Date of first registration: 28th of June 1977, Current status: owned by Mat duckers in the midlands, Current Tax no MOT, 7 MOTs between 2011-2017, notable for running around with "TTW906R" plates SPE351R, AC, Date of first registration 14 July 1977, Current status: reportedly sold to a Warrington disability charity, Untaxed since 6 May 2003, no MOT, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 5 June 2002, Last taxed in Ministry service 6th of may 2003 TJN352R, Invacar, Date of first registration: 29 July 1977, Current status: in coventry motor museum, SORN, no MOT 1 MOT in 2019, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 15 November 2010, notable for being Mrs webb's Model 70, and being the last Model 70 in ministry service 14th October 2004 UAR977S, Invacar, Date of first registration 13 September 1977, current status: Owned by Ian Hellings in the US. VJN953S, Invacar, Date of First registration 25 October 1977, Current status owned by Harry Tait of this forum and previously owned by "OldBlokeInACaravan" on this forum, Untaxed since 1st July 1991, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 6 July 1990 VJN960S, Invacar, Date of First Registration 26 October 1977, Current Status on the road with Adam Bennett, Current Tax, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued 15 March 2021, last taxed in Ministry service 1st November 2003 TPE409S, AC, Date of first registration: 8 December 1977, Current status: owned by Grant Kearny otherwise unknown, Untaxed since 1st march 2004, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 20 April 1982, notable for being tiller control, Last taxed in Ministry service 1st March 2004 WVW312S, Invacar, Date of first registration: 16 January 1978, Current status: owned by Grant Kearny otherwise unknown, Untaxed since 01 August 2001, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 24 September 1990, notable for being tiller control, last taxed in Ministry service 1st August 2001 WOO848S, Invacar, Date of first registration 27 February 1978, Current status: unknown, current tax, No MOT, 2 MOTs in 2012 VES108S, Invacar, Date of first registration 13 February 1978, Current status: being recommissioned by Fraser, SORN, No MOT history, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 13 December 2018, notable for Originally having the registration number XEV88S, last taxed in Ministry service 1st of May 1998 SOI7570, Invacar, Date of first registration 1st of December 1978, Current status: thought to be with McElmeel Mobility Services Limited, Notable for being a Northern Ireland registered Model 70 and the newest known surviving Invacar Model 70 WOI654, AC, Date of first registration: 1st July 1980, Current status: with Ulster Folk & Transport Museum, notable for being a Northern Ireland registered Model 70 mrbenn, Joey spud, Datsuncog and 7 others 10
dollywobbler Posted February 23, 2019 Posted February 23, 2019 I'm fascinated by those AC City and Town cars. Most odd. Quite a lot of the body seems to be Reliant Regal - the doors especially. As for the list, Stuart reckons about 70 Model 70 survivors, so quite a few gaps to fill. I'm frankly terrified that TWC might be the earliest surviving Invacar! mrbenn, LightBulbFun and egg 3
LightBulbFun Posted February 23, 2019 Author Posted February 23, 2019 I'm fascinated by those AC City and Town cars. Most odd. Quite a lot of the body seems to be Reliant Regal - the doors especially. As for the list, Stuart reckons about 70 Model 70 survivors, so quite a few gaps to fill. I'm frankly terrified that TWC might be the earliest surviving Invacar! indeed I find em thoroughly interesting would love to know more especially given the possible Model 70 connection Aye he mentioned theres 78 known Model 70s although I know that also includes things like the rolling chassis which iv not included in the above list just yet but yeah im well aware that I have a few* more to sleuth up and document, but im not doing too bad so far am i? (id also love to fill in all the unknowns of the cars in that my list too but sadly theres so little info out there, and I dont think you can even ask the DVLA about who is the registered keeper these days) 500tops, egg and dollywobbler 3
egg Posted February 23, 2019 Posted February 23, 2019 Can you please do the MK12's too LBF ? LightBulbFun, Mrs6C, mrbenn and 1 other 4
mrbenn Posted February 23, 2019 Posted February 23, 2019 Fascinating LBF, good work! 500tops and LightBulbFun 2
LightBulbFun Posted February 23, 2019 Author Posted February 23, 2019 Thanks took me a fair while to put it all together, and ill probably go over it once more and refine it some and lay down some statistics, once iv slept some! (as my sleep cycle is currently FUBAR and iv been awake since like 8PM yesterday LOL) sadly iv not come across many mk12s in my sleuthing sessions and those that I do find have no information with them (however admittedly my searches are usually Model 70 focused so I mostly come across Mk12s "by chance") egg and mrbenn 2
egg Posted February 23, 2019 Posted February 23, 2019 Top work anyway, I messaged the ICR again earlier. LightBulbFun 1
mrbenn Posted February 23, 2019 Posted February 23, 2019 Interesting that there are approx 10% as many Mazda 323 Coupes as there are Invacars remaining! LightBulbFun and egg 2
LightBulbFun Posted February 23, 2019 Author Posted February 23, 2019 theres 7.8 remaining? who has 0.8? on a more serious note, iv heard that there are about 330 known surviving "invalid vehicles" overall of all types (although with eggs mk12 save I guess thats 331 known survivors now ) quite "scary" to think, an entire vehicle type where only 330 examples are known to exist exist its like someone saying "yeah theres only 330 buses in existence" (BTW as a side note I pretty much have also at least 1 picture of every Model 70 in my list so far, do yall think I should include a picture with each Model 70 listed or do you think it might make things a bit unwieldy? )
mrbenn Posted February 23, 2019 Posted February 23, 2019 theres 7.8 remaining? who has 0.8? I suppose if one of them was particularly rusty.... I'd be interested to see the pics! LightBulbFun 1
Spottedlaurel Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but why do so many of them have Essex registrations?
LightBulbFun Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but why do so many of them have Essex registrations? if you notice its just the Invacar ones that have Essex regs, with the AC ones having Surrey regs thats because all the Model 70s made for the DHSS where registered where they where built
Mrcento Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 theres 7.8 remaining? who has 0.8? I think that's Egg. They're so small, the missing 0.2 is his nearside windscreen pillar and door! LightBulbFun and egg 2
LightBulbFun Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 survivors list has been updated with pictures and added GEV492N egg 1
somewhatfoolish Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Who is st185cs and why are they hoarding fucked invalid carriages? That's Trebus behaviour even by AS standards.
LightBulbFun Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 I belive st185cs was the chap who bought the baulk of invacars from the field of invacar dreams sadly I dont know any more details, although I have read a couple where sold on to other owners (and from what I can gather the whole bundle was found via ebay) it is worth noting that invacars can look like hell but can clean up very well, see TWC as an example UPB262M defo looks salvageable as does OVW445P. so hopefully we will see those return to the road if nothing else the others could still yield useful parts, and still return to the road, see TPA621M as an example, its also worth noting, the body work comes apart in 3 sections, the front end the hard top and the back end, there all separate from each other, so if you have 2 Model 70s one with no front and one with no arse end or roof, you could mix n match body sections to make 1 good one speaking of st185cs does remind me that MHJ22P exists and he is the one who owns it so have edited list accordingly
dollywobbler Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Yes, the stash TWC was part of was discovered on Ebay. It was an appalling advert, with no real information at all, just a photo of one Invacar (TWC I think) and a one line description saying it was a job lot of 12 with a Buy It Now of £1200. A friend of mine went for a look and decided to have TWC and TPA, but then got cold feet, so I said I'd have them. I wish I'd been able to take more of them, but they were 260 miles away from my house. Not ideal! Also, the neighbours got grumpy enough about just two of them in the garden... Dick Cheeseburger, mrbenn, LightBulbFun and 1 other 4
LightBulbFun Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 ah very cool! thanks for the info its nice to know more of the story at last didn't realise you only ended up with TWC and TPA by chance after someone else got cold feet, how very different things could of gone! I do wonder what st185cs plans to do with all his Model 70s, I know he said he is giving one of his bare rolling chassis that he got from Barry a nut n bolt restoration. I wonder how thats going (I wonder how collected them all the field cars, im guessing some sort of car transporter lorry or did he just back n forth 12 times with a trailer ) mrbenn and egg 2
mrbenn Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Also, the neighbours got grumpy enough about just two of them in the garden... I'd be absolutely delighted if my neighbour turned up with two Invacars. LightBulbFun and egg 2
mrbenn Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 I do wonder what st185cs plans to do with all his Model 70s, I know he said he is giving one of his bare rolling chassis that he got from Barry a nut n bolt restoration. I wonder how thats going ) Did you ever hear back from him?
LightBulbFun Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 Did you ever hear back from him? sadly not, I do know he is on facebook and I think he has commented on my post there, so i think he does know im looking for a Model 70. updated the list with KPK71P, found the picture on instagram I think, with Autoshite as one of the # tags mrbenn 1
Sir Snipes Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Must be a Celica guy with a name like ST185 CS; LightBulbFun 1
LightBulbFun Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 What sort of condition? Any pictures? Fins a-go-go, like a miniature Cadillac. can you please not give the hipsters anymore ideas? Poor model 70... (i had come across a close up picture of this one before but was convinced it was a photoshop job, sadly cant find the picture again) found the above picture here... http://www.georginastarr.com/drive_text.php (also found some more info on KPK71P so have updated its entry accordingly )
quicksilver Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Your list appears to be missing Zel's original car, the one now with OlliD-E. Can't remember the reg but I'm sure it's KPL-something-P. LightBulbFun 1
egg Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Do you know what British parts bin the wing mirrors come from for the Model 70? I'm going to need one for my MK12 eventually, maybe! LightBulbFun 1
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