Raspberry Ripple

[Joloke]

With a Flake

[lisbon_road]

I've no issue with a proper hot rod having a Q plate.  They are so modified, it doesn't look daft.  On a regular car, I know it is irrational, but I think it does not look good.

 

Time are changing, that's for sure.

[Junkman]

Errrr - what?

[panhard65]

It will be interesting to see what they do do as all these heavily modified classics will lose mot and tax exemption. They won't be outlawed though they will just have to pay more. I can't see it having much of an impact on the really valuable stuff as owners who can shell out a couple of hundred grand for an updated Jag aren't really going to worry about a few hundred a year in road tax. I am glad I got rid of the modified classics I did have as I am sure it will have a pretty negative effect on cheaper classics.

[They_all_do_that_sir]

I THINK what Joloke is trying to say is that the new rules for rolling free road tax / no MOT requirement also have a couple of hidden nasties. The worst being a change to the registration system, i.e. you will lose your age related registration if the car is not mostly period correct.

 

A man from the ministry can look at your pre 1976 hot rod or similar and declare very little of it period, and force a re-registration onto a Q plate.

 

It is only likely to be an issue for substantially modified cars at the outset. 

 

HOWEVER

 

"At the outset" is the key phrase. I strongly suspect this is the pre-cursor to forcing all cars older than the 40 year cut off to be registered as a historic vehicle. And only those vehicles which are period correct will qualify, the rest will be plonked on a Q plate, perhaps forced to do SVA.

 

I also believe having historic status will also bring with it restrictions on use.

 

The only good thing might be an end to all the shonky coil sprung series land rovers and classic minis running old registrations on a newer car etc

[AMC Rebel]

Does anyone seriously think anything much will change?

 

Every single day I see cars that are totally illegal - stuff that is modded in the craziest way that would in no way pass an MOT and contravenes C&U from mild stuff like these twats

 

 

To stuff like a shortened 1985 mini that runs around here on black and silver plates - it's been chopped in half and welded back together at half the original length FFS.

 

Add to that the zillions of "still registered as a 1.1 m7" stuff and so on......

 

An estimated 2 million vehicles don't even have a registered keeper.

 

In truth, I suspect only old farty anoraks like me will take any notice/interest, and everyone else will keep on as they have been.

 

Even if they (say) banned old car use on weekdays where in flip (outside of big cities) would they have the tech or people to enforce it?

[AMC Rebel]

So you fill your car with a nice DC Motor and a full compliment of Lithium Batteries......................................

 

 

I've been wondering if I'll live long enough to see this happen.  Interesting times are ahead.  A few hardy loons* are already doing this stuff.

 

*expression intended as a salute, not an insult.

[Yoss]

My 1960s Triumph has been modified with quite a few bits from 1970s Triumphs but who outside a few specialized motoring forums is even going to know the difference? I'm certainly not going to worry about it. Who's even going to notice that the carbs and inlet manifold are off a 1500 Spitfire rather than a 1300 if it's not going for an MOT anyway.

[timolloyd]

As someone has said above, this is a problem for rodders and probably OLLI types running Evoques registered as Series Is

[AMC Rebel]

As someone has said above, this is a problem for rodders and probably OLLI types running Evoques registered as Series Is

But is it?  Even the person from VOSA (or whatever they have rebranded to this week) probably isn't going to know a landy should have leaf springs not coils at that age - and who's going to have time to go over every last detail - and argue with the driver who bought it last year in good faith?  My guess is that in the "real world" whatever the fuck that is - not much will change.

[panhard65]

I might have a chance to find out a bit more about how they will inspect stuff in the next few weeks as my Peugeot has been selected for inspection. It is only the second car I have had to do this with out of all the cars I have imported. The DVLA randomly select imports for inspection and it used to be you took them to the local office. Now they have subcontracted the inspection service to a company called SGS. Quite what they do I have no idea they used to just check the vin against the paperwork, but this might of changed. I will find out in the next couple of weeks

[tooSavvy]

^^^ hope they're not the ones 'looking for asbestos' over in OZ

 

TS

[AMC Rebel]

Or the ones who imported my trolley jack from China

[AMC Rebel]

some have gained V8's over the years,didn't matter before it does now...............

 

 

But does it?  How is anyone going to know?  If a "friendly" MOT tester doesn't - presumably it's not even part of the test anyway - say anything, these things will just carry on running around.  DVLA/VOSA don't have the resources to check every one so aside from a few randoms things will continue largely as they are, with loads of stuff running around illegally modified

 

 

That said is a Q plate on an American motor that big a deal?

 

My main point to this thread was some are clearly worried and it will change the market.

 

 

 

 

Just the thought of a Q plate seems to send some people running away in terror - no idea why, but then I don't "get" number plates anyway - as long as mines legal I don't give a fook what letters and numbers are on there - which seems to be the opposite of most people these days.

 

Your points about market sentiment are well made - but when was that ever founded on logic or reality

[Mally]

I've had a few inspected over the years.

Check the numbers, tick the box.

The only people who know it all are the individual owners clubs.

So if we own a vehicle already classed as Historic are we safe from a Q then?

Mind you I've had a few of them as well, means very little unless you are selling to someone who doesn't like them

[AMC Rebel]

My 1956 Chevy has a V8 from a 60s Chevy in it - fitted some time in the 80s - but, like (most of the) 'stangs - it could have had a V8 when new instead of the 6 it had.

 

Even the petrol heads who know what it is call it a Bel Air (when it isn't).  It's going to take a special amount of research (= money) to try and foist a Q plate on me for that - especially as I don't have to go near an MOT place ever again.

[AMC Rebel]

I've had a few inspected over the years.

Check the numbers, tick the box.

The only people who know it all are the individual owners clubs.

So if we own a vehicle already classed as Historic are we safe from a Q then?

Mind you I've had a few of them as well, means very little unless you are selling to someone who doesn't like them

I really cannot imagine there is any appetite amongst the politicians for a costly exercise re-registering a load of old chod onto Q plates - the only advocates of that would be the "your rocker cover bolts are the wrong shade of grey" show twats and civil servants looking for job creation/protection in the compliance industry.

[DaveDorson]

The nasties are just clearing up issues that have been present since 1988 when the IVA came in and folks ignored it.

 

If you're running around in a radically altered vehicle, which isn't properly registerd you've a couple of choices.  One is relegate it to an expensive driveway ornament, the other is to make it BIVA passable and get it on a Q.

 

All those folks running around on Pop logbooks in their Hemi powered 32 Ford roadsters, with Viva front ends, Jag IRS rear etc are rightly a bit worried.

 

Basically if you want to MOT exempt your car, you need to declare that it's not radically altered, and there was talk of stipulation of Modified Classics being "historcal" taxation (exempt) but not "Vehicles of Historic Interest" which is more related to the vehicle identity.  You can kind of understand when there's a load of "deuce's" out there registered as a Herald or Pop, running a small block Yank V8 or similar, with very little of the original registered vehicle remaining.

 

However, if you're within the DVLA "8 points system" but modified in that you've got a power to weight increase of 15% or so (pretty much all modern engine conversted classics), you'll need to get an MOT on it.

 

Not an issue in itself.. but if they then camera the MOT stations, and they have testers reporting back on the identity of the vehicle, anything "radically alterered" will get grassed up, and those cars need to go directly to BIVA, not pass go, and not collect their free Tax or MOT (or retain that registration).

 

And that's why a load of stuff is for sale.

[AMC Rebel]

but if they then camera the MOT stations, and they have testers reporting back on the identity of the vehicle, anything "radically alterered" will get grassed up, and those cars need to go directly to BIVA, not pass go, and not collect their free Tax or MOT (or retain that registration).

 

And that's why a load of stuff is for sale.

Oh, OK I didn't realise there was a plan to camera MOT stations.  When's that happening?  And who's going to look at the pics?

[Lankytim]

I've got a Mantaray buggy, based on a 1957 Beetle, shortened floorpan and built in the early 70's. In the past few weeks it's gone from being MOT and TAX exempt to facing a Q plate. I "think" it should be fine, as it was built into a buggy so long ago. I suspect it's going to really knock it's value if I suddenly need to give it an SVA test. 

[barefoot]

If it was built pre '88.

You'll be fine.

[AMC Rebel]

 In the past few weeks it's gone from being MOT and TAX exempt to facing a Q plate. 

 

Why is it facing a Q plate suddenly (honest question - I think I must have missed a memo somewhere)?

[D Spares & Tyres]

I've not had to 'declare my cars MoT exempt'

 

It just happened automatically to both of my 1950s cars

[Lankytim]

Why is it facing a Q plate suddenly (honest question - I think I must have missed a memo somewhere)?

 

Because I think the only part of the original Beetle left is the the front axle and maybe the chassis (which has been shortened anyway) It says VW Convertable on the logbook so I'm hoping it'll be fine but if it was ever inspected it's obvious that there's very little of the original car remaining.... there may even be none of it remaining at all. 

[lisbon_road]

I think it will all calm down a bit after a while, though it is clearly a dreadful time to be selling a modified old car.  Probably mostly people who were lukewarm about keeping cars then this came along, and they just thought 'can't be arsed with that'.

 

I also can't see that it will matter much for valuable stuff.  And I very much doubt that the ultimate solution will involve huge numbers of IVA and similar tests; that's the last thing they want for sure.

[Christine]

Mobility scooter innit..

 

[DodgeRover]

If it was built pre '88.

You'll be fine.

If he can prove it to the DVLAs satisfaction, now you can now longer get a list of previous owners via a form V888 proving just got significantly harder, which I suspect will be one of the reasons for cancelling the service as they will be expecting a massive increase in requests as people within the 8 point rule or built and on the road pre '88 as suddenly required to prove it.

 

Same with period Janspeed turbos, supercharger kits giving over 15% power increase, even Junkman if he fitted an Edelbrook and some extractors to an unmodified desmogged yank (or Renaukt) would fall foul.

[Momentary Lapse Of Reason]

The nasties are just clearing up issues that have been present since 1988 when the IVA came in and folks ignored it.

 

 

Try 1998

(and it was called Single Vehicle Approval. IVA began replacing SVA in 2009).

[DodgeRover]

8 point rule came in in 1988 didn't it?

[3VOM]

Not an issue in itself.. but if they then camera the MOT stations, and they have testers reporting back on the identity of the vehicle, anything "radically alterered" will get grassed up, and those cars need to go directly to BIVA, not pass go, and not collect their free Tax or MOT (or retain that registration).

This ^

The MOT man will be expected to put a marker on it on the system would be the obvious way.