'Goona 2 as a Daily. Tell me it's a GOOD idea.

[Sir Snipes]

Now obviously I'm not talking about rescuing an abandoned Laguna from a car park and changing the engine like a proper hero as I have neither the work-space, tools, inclination or skills (especially skills, I can barely rebuild a Mountain Bike). No, I'm talking about paying a reasonable amount of money, still only about £1000 like, and getting one with a decent bit of service and MOT history. 

So I'm think a phase 2, 2.0 (Not IDE) Pez, non-sunroof with manual 'box would give the best chance of completing a journey. Of course, I should just get a Seat Leon or something but I just think they look fantastic;

 

 

 

 

 

So in all seriousness what do we think? I'd like a medium sized hatch with 2 litre-ish petrol and these are cheap to insure and I do like how they look. Not asking for guarantees or anything but there are a fair few leggy examples so some of them have been of use to somebody. Also an old taxi neighbor ran a phase 2 without bother.

 

 

[Kiltox]

Buy my 2.2 DCI estate for £450, save money for fettling

[chaseracer]

^ Diesel auto Gooner?  WCPGW...? 

[brownnova]

It's a GOOD idea....

[Sir Snipes]

Fuck Diesel.

[Kiltox]

  On 27/12/2016 at 15:18, chaseracer said:

^ Diesel auto Gooner?  WCPGW...? 

Exactly

 

I've covered 1000 miles in it this month without issue

[Kiltox]

Anyway, even if you're buying a 2.0 manual, don't pay a grand. They change hands on eBay for a fair bit less regularly.

[PiperCub]

  On 27/12/2016 at 15:32, Rusty Sills said:

Fuck Diesel.

 

^^ Sounds like he is disinclined to acquiesce............

 

 

However - I think a manual pez version with few toys at under a grand isn't a bad idea. Would not want to pay much over £600 tho' 

[chodweaver]

Having some experience of the F4R 2litre turbo engine in the presidential Renner, I can confirm that it's a durable motor that is not unpleasant to live with. In the Vel Satis, it is not very economical, but then for most of my time with it, the upstream O2 sensor was borked resulting in constant overfuelling. Despite this, it was still properly driveable, but did about 25 to the gallon.

Is this the same engine you're looking at?

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[chodweaver]

PS said Renner is still available

 

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[rantingYoof]

Fact*: even white-room sellers don't ask more than four figures for Goonas.

 

I also love the styling of a Goona 2, and there is a 750 quid or so 3.0 24v on 'Trader that's made me linger for a little longer than I consider healthy...

 

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[Sir Snipes]

I was looking at either the 1.8 or 2.0 NA. I really don't like diesels and simply don't do the mileage to ever justify one and would almost certainly suffer constant breakdowns due to blocked EGRs. I think I only did about 5000 miles last year. 

[r.welfare]

I have the non-turbo 2 litre in an Espace. That's a heavy chunk of car so not fast or economical (I get 29mpg in mixed use) but a Laguna should be better. It's a nice smooth engine though. £500 seems the mark for a Phase 2 2-litre so find a local Renault specialist and spend some of the difference on having the cambelt and dephaser pulley changed if there's no evidence of it having been done.

[SiC]

Not the most economical, but the 3.0 V6 is the strongest engine. Just rare. If you want the most trouble free Laguna 2, then the phase 2 is when they ironed out most of the kinks.

 

Mine has been very reliable and I like it enough (I'm fickle with cheap cars) to not want to part with it, even after a good 9months.

[Sir Snipes]

This looks nice;

 

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201612210754728

 

Manual handbrake bonus points too.

[Kiltox]

  On 27/12/2016 at 16:21, Rusty Sills said:

This looks nice;

 

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201612210754728

 

Manual handbrake bonus points too.

Confused by that - I thought all Dynamique had electronic parking brakes.

[Sir Snipes]

I thought all phase 2s had push button hand brakes TBH.

 

Is there a way to identify an IDE? Other than being on the back of an AA lorry obvs?

 

If I get a 'Goona and decide to keep it I might invest in a CAN CLIP too.

[Kiltox]

Good investment definitely although a Delphi DS150 clone can talk to a lot of Renault modules and also do loads on other cars

[SiC]

  On 27/12/2016 at 17:12, Rusty Sills said:

I thought all phase 2s had push button hand brakes TBH.

 

Is there a way to identify an IDE? Other than being on the back of an AA lorry obvs?

 

If I get a 'Goona and decide to keep it I might invest in a CAN CLIP too.

IDE disappeared at around 2002. They'll have IDE on the side and all ph2 would be non-IDE.

[SiC]

  On 27/12/2016 at 16:21, Rusty Sills said:

This looks nice;

 

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201612210754728

 

Manual handbrake bonus points too.

I reckon someone has retrofitted that handbrake using bits from a Phase 1.

 

The Electronic Parking Brake (EPB) generally gives less trouble on these than the Scenics. Same unit, but majority of the problems on the Scenic is the R2 connector under the passenger seat getting wet and corroded. Also the handbrake cable system is different on the Laguna too and seems less likely to corrode.

 

Other things to watch out for is to keep the sunroof drains clear. There is one that goes down each side to the bottom of the a-pillar inside. This then catches into another one which drains to the wheel arch. If the wheel arch drain bungs up on the driver's side, then water from the sunroof drains over the body computer. This then sends things crazy, like indicators going off, horn failing, door locks not responding, etc.

 

Other things to watch out for are rear bushes, but you can get tools to make that easier to do. If you need to do them, get genuine Renault parts. The aftermarket parts are crap and will only last a year. Genuine Renault parts last much, much longer. Also electric windows can have problems. Unlike the Megane (which have electrical problems with them), the majority of problems are just the window regulator failing. Cheap enough for replacement now.

 

Phase 2 keycards are almost all keyless start+open. This had the advantage of not pushing on the plastic card as often. So these key cards are far less likely to fail.

 

17 inch wheels are prone to buckling. Smaller ones less so.

 

Spec level is Authentique, Extreme, Dynamique, Privilege and Initalie.

 

For what they cost and how modern they still look, I think Phase 2 Laguna 2 are stonking great value for money. Vast majority of problems were sorted by late Phase 1 (around 2004) and Phase 2 had an electrical update. However by then it was too late, the name was utterly tarnished and were seen as a utter liability.

[SiC]

Excellent video on sorting the sunroof drains on them:

 

Sort this and you'll sort the vast majority of electrical crazyness on them. Alternatively buy a lower spec one with no sunroof.

[Sir Snipes]

TBH that's why I was going to avoid a sunroof model, even though I like having them.

[25v6turbo]

Facelift cars had electric handbrakes but are the best built 2005-07,buy a V6 Initiale I have one so does Sic and they are great,and most issues were sorted by then,if you fancy an estate they are rare and a real sleeper,builtproof engine and great gearbox(auto)

https://www.gumtree.com/p/renault/renault-laguna-3.0-v6-24v-initiale-hatchback-5d-2946cc-auto-beige-2006/1202342018

[Guest Hooli]

I get about 35-36mpg from my 1.8 pex manwel. I only had to replace everything with a wire on it to make the heap work, but then it was a very rough example of a goona2 & it's an early one so has the most built-in 'undocumented features'.

 

TBH they are a lot nicer to drive than many cars of the same age

[SiC]

  On 27/12/2016 at 19:12, Hooli said:

I get about 35-36mpg from my 1.8 pex manwel. I only had to replace everything with a wire on it to make the heap work, but then it was a very rough example of a goona2 & it's an early one so has the most built-in 'undocumented features'.

 

TBH they are a lot nicer to drive than many cars of the same age

Yeah yours is an early phase 1. The time when the Laguna II earned and deserved it's bad reputation!

[Guest Hooli]

Indeed it is. If you're going to suffer an utterly shite electrical system you might as well get the worst of the lot.

[SiC]

I reckon that V6 in 25v6turbo post would be a good 'un. It's been for sale for a few months now, so maybe willing for a deal. The v6s hang around as people who generally looking for a sub 1k car have French and V6 at the bottom of their list!

 

I get 28-32mpg on a run with some city anf mostly motorway and 18-22mpg around the city. The city has an awful lot of traffic lights, roundabouts and traffic jams though! I also like to hear the V6 growl too.

 

Cruising at 70mph on a mostly motorway run I can get it to 36mpg, which isn't bad for a big V6 auto petrol.

 

Oh the V6, 2.2dci and 2.0t petrol all have Aisin Warner (Japanese) auto gearboxes - not the French DP0 (Renault)/AL4 (PSA) junk. Mostly solid but really could do with oil changes. Unfortunately like Volvo who also use these boxes, they are supposed to be sealed for life. I changed the fluid on mine easy enough without going underneath with a Pella extractor and Draper funnel (see my thread). At 100k or less there shouldn't be any problems with old oil. By 210k you'll probably have the same problems that the same gearbox in my Saab has. Banging into gears when it's hot.

 

Finally on the V6, you want pre-2006 to not get stupid tax (£300 vs £500 p/a)

[SiC]

I'd also wager that a 1k Laguna 2 is going to be in much better nick that a 1k SEAT Leon!

 

Good luck with the search.

[Bren]

No matter what you buy £500 -£1k is throwaway money. They are worth a punt at this level now.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I've now had 2 x 2.0 pez lagunas and I reckon theyre great. I agree with the advice about spending £500 on a 2.0 ph2 and getting the belt and dephaser done. Budget £50 for a pair of new window mechanicals too (DIY job) and you'll be SORTED.