v-5

[Bfg]

I've been offered reg doc's from a '73 shitroen..which I need for a (similar age) rolling chassis (from an identical car) that's without documents.  Question is - how do I know the reg #  has been not black marked as being stolen or certified as scrapped ?

 

Gov uk's vehicle enquiry says ' Vehicle details could not be found '  but that may be because the vehicle was privately scrapped (supposedly) by the seller before things like SORN came into place.

 

Bfg

[Kiltox]

HPI check?

[scaryoldcortina]

If it's details not found then HPI won't tell you anything and it's a worthless set of documents. Any registration attempt will need proof of age/club letter, fees and inspection for either your numberless chassis or the off the system v5.

[Bfg]

^ how is that a V-5 (with top and bottom parts of the document intact) would not be on their system ?

 

The number doesn't appear to be available to buy, so I presume is not on another vehicle.

[scaryoldcortina]

Scrapped is most likely.

[PiperCub]

It may be that it was off the road prior to the V5 as we know it came in (early/mid 80's?) so it fell off the system then as no-one bothered to apply for a new document at that time?

 

Also, I recall seeing somewhere that once a vehicle it notified 'Scrapped' it effectively falls off the system after a while - although I'd have thought that this was unlikely and it would still be recorded somewhere in the database. 

 

Couldn't the existing owner apply for a V5 before he sells it to you? Surely this is simpler. 

[Bfg]

^ Thanks all..

 

vehicle was scrapped (supposedly) by him years ago, but as he has both top and bottom of the certificate then he thinks he never told them. 

 

I'll suggest to him that he might apply for it to be put on the system ..and see what happens.

[Tamworthbay]

They are getting very tight on this to avoid ringing, piece in this months practical classics saying that inspections are now the norm in these cases and advising people to do it before the restoration starts. As this case would be effectively ringing, albeit not for naughty reasons, then it would be worth being very careful before trying to get the new V5, especially if things like vin plates are missing.

[Lankytim]

Send the log book off in your name and see what comes back

[Mally]

Send the log book off in your name and see what comes back

 

Hello. Hello, Hello. whats goin on ere then?

[Lankytim]

My minor wasn't on in system but I had a mega old logbook, sent it off and got a modern V5c back. Easy

[overrun]

I'd love to see this thread on the 'other' forum!

[Bfg]

^  eh ?

[Negative Creep]

Retro Rides presumably

[overrun]

^  eh ?

You are wanting to register a chassis with another I.D. no?

It doesn't bother me, but regardless of how you go about it, I could imagine people on there twisting.

[Bfg]

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Look at it another way ; I'd like to re-chassis perfectly legal I.D. doc's with a perfectly legal and authentic shitroen manufactured and unmodified rolling chassis, with standard engine & mechanicals - all of which is the very same age ('cause this particular model of car was only ever made for two years). 

 

This being quite unlike the ironically perfectly acceptable practice of many examples of this particular make - which are now fitted with 'a new replacement galvanised chassis' ..which was designed by a businessman not an engineer, manufactured by the cheapest fabricator he could find, and which has never been tested nor assessed for road use or safety (admitted some have been).   And then., whose structural bodywork (floors, sills, lower posts, bulkhead, window frames), and interior trim, roof covering, along with some or all of its exterior panels, and probably the colour too.. have been changed, along perhaps with the engine and brakes & other mechanical parts too ..possibly several times over - to still retain its original registration.?   If the law is an arse bending over to be stupid - then kick it ! 

 

Though perhaps it would be politically incorrect for me to mention those re-bodies - styled along the lines of an inverted plastic bath-tub with claws., with or without four wheels ?

 

And if the 'other' website readers don't like it, well - it's no loss to me that I'm on a much better website with like minded folk

[Bfg]

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sorry the last post got repeated three times ..as the website rolled over in belly-aching laughter !     

..so I've deleted the duplication(s)

[Bfg]

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[overrun]

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sorry the last post got repeated three times ..as the website locked up in stomach-aching laughter !

..so I've deleted the duplication(s)

I reckon the Ssangyong barg brought the place down!

[Asimo]

Isn't this the sort of situation that results in a Q prefix reg. number being issued?

[Tamworthbay]

If they find out, yes, that's why the OP needs to be careful how he goes about it.

[forddeliveryboy]

Worth a try?

[barrett]

What exactly are you trying to do? Build a new car on the chassis or simply swap the chassis/running gear to your car?

 

If it's the latter, register it on the current chassis and then swap over at a later date and don't tell anyone, nobody will ever be the wiser. I didn't think A series cars even had chassis numbers stamped on anyway but I'm probably wrong.

[Stixy]

best thing to do is to keep quiet and dont tell anybody , and unless you can see the rotting carcass of the donor vehicle dont believe anything anybody tells you about the documents 

[strangeangel]

My minor wasn't on in system but I had a mega old logbook, sent it off and got a modern V5c back. Easy

 

My 1950s Vespa wasn't on the system either, and I had no paperwork for it at all. Sent off V62 & £25 and got a V5c.

 

So another vote for sending it off and see what happens.

[garbaldy]

Mate bought an old car complete with the v5 and swapped owner details to his online, two weeks later he gets a letter requesting pics of car,

Full side shot chassis number shot plus vin plate and one of car with plates in view. Strange one

[scaryoldcortina]

^ I've had that too - I bought a dead P4 rover that had a v5, sent it off and got a letter asking for photos, confirmation of VIN etc. Sent the pics off, got a V5c back.

[DodgeRover]

I've been offered reg doc's from a '73 shitroen..which I need for a (similar age) rolling chassis (from an identical car) that's without documents. Question is - how do I know the reg # has been not black marked as being stolen or certified as scrapped ?

 

Gov uk's vehicle enquiry says ' Vehicle details could not be found ' but that may be because the vehicle was privately scrapped (supposedly) by the seller before things like SORN came into place.

 

Bfg

Is there no chassis number on the one you have? If it's been UK registered it's pretty simple (if slow) to get the reg from the DVLA by filling in a lost log book form with just the chassis number and leaving the reg number blank.

[Bfg]

^ it's a rolling chassis only, nothing else. I wanted to fit a different (but again similar period) shitroen bodyshell to it - to build what's generically known as a sidewinder.

 

Earlier in the year I tried to get an old bike registered, which was of standard spec. and 95% complete but dismantled for restoration.  It's documents had been lost by the seller but the original number plates front & rear were still fitted to the mudguards, as was the original bike dealer's enameled badge. These corresponded to the frame number and the company's dispatch records for both date and local registration borough.  And even with numerous photos, inc. the reg. plates and a close up of the frame & engine numbers stamped on, and a club dating certificate - they insisted on viewing the bike, only after it was complete and reassembled. Even then they would only entertain the possibility of an age related plate, even though the original reg number was not in use (perhaps it was too valuable for them to not otherwise sell it in their monopoly ?)

 

So, with this chassis I'd have to build the car and then submit it for IVA inspection,  ie., a costly test (for me that happens down in Southampton, some 4 or 5 hours traveling either way, even without towing a trailer).  And even if I had the correct motor of exactly the same year - because it wouldn't be the original one they would just as likely say that the 'vehicle date' is indeterminate.. and so assign a Q-plate.   But as a Q-plate it must comply with contemporary construction & use regulations, and because the parts I'd build the car from are all Shitroen of the same era - it wouldn't pass today's legislation (any more than any standard 2cv would).  Having failed the test on a legal technicality then I'd have to take the car away and reapply when that 'fault' was corrected.  I experienced this when I brought in a standard Chrysler Voyager from the USA, which didn't have side repeater indicators. Then you have to pay again, hire another car and trailer, spend another 10 hours minimum driving (pending weather and traffic conditions) plus the 2 hours down there ..and hope. 

 

And once you're on a Q-plate then even after forty years of when that was issued - there is no road fund license concession ...It's always of an indeterminate date.  Furthermore even within the current EU.. owner's of cars with Q-plates are having issues registering them abroad (ie., at people's holiday homes) because Q-plates don't exist in Europe., so who knows what it will be like come Brexit, perhaps the cars will not be allowed to leave the ferry terminal.?

 

They'd undoubtedly argue that people are trying to avoid paying road tax. Conversely I'd say they're making it so damned pain in the arse and costly that they are in fact playing the other side of the very same game - to ensure that even an early to mid 1970's VIN have to jump through unreasonable bureaucratic loops.  It does after all keep them all employed.  After all how many classic cars & bike owners are applying each year ? Almost certainly the revenue difference per anum into DVLA coffers would not even pay for a stretch of motorway cones where nobody is working.

 

Personally I'd much rather give the same money to the next Guy Fawkes.!   (...Admittedly I say this on the day I get a £60 fine from a London Borough's parking office, for turning left when I inadvertently shouldn't have.  This happened on a wet and foggy evening, on one of the days the city was in turmoil because rail conductors were on strike.  I was watching out for pedestrians and other traffic, but still would have seen a * No Entry * sign ..but on this occasion I happened to miss seeing their small no-left-turn sign.  Yes, I'd rather pay the value of that fine to blow their fvk'g office up !  ) 

 

I know I can never win against the 'system' but I really do feel like the politicians, bureaucrats, pen pushers, and the financial players are fucking almost every country up.  I was clearly born in the wrong era.

[DodgeRover]

Is there not a chassis number stamped on the chassis somewhere though? If you can get the correct log book it could save a world of pain