Vegetarian motors for cheap - Now with purchase (page 6)

[Cavcraft]

Anything sort of sub £500-ish is going to be pretty miserable. The Golf Mk3 is just extra miserable because as you sit ON the seat and slide around everytime you merely swivel your eyes left or right, you'll get pissed off with it. Just as much as you will when it starts dissolving around your eyes. But, to be fair, mechanically the n/a ones seem pretty bullet proof.

[Cavcraft]

Anything sort of sub £500-ish is going to be pretty miserable. The Golf Mk3 is just extra miserable because as you sit ON the seat and slide around everytime you merely swivel your eyes left or right, you'll get pissed off with it. Just as much as you will when it starts dissolving around your eyes. But, to be fair, mechanically the n/a ones seem pretty bullet proof.

[philibusmo]

Have you considered LPG instead? I recon that my Audi is the ultimate Mingebag weapon, It's about £40 to fill, and I can get from Leeds to Birmingham on that, It can get classic insurance, so only £150 a year to insure, plus it's a Mahoosive estate.

 

I have looked into it as it was something my Dad did to his Audi back in about 2003. With the cost of the installation and the nearest filling point being about 10 miles from home or work (but not on a convenient route between the two) has rather dampened my enthusiasm for the idea. From some rudimentry maths I think it would work out cheaper to run the veg/diesel option.

[philibusmo]

Have you considered LPG instead? I recon that my Audi is the ultimate Mingebag weapon, It's about £40 to fill, and I can get from Leeds to Birmingham on that, It can get classic insurance, so only £150 a year to insure, plus it's a Mahoosive estate.

 

I have looked into it as it was something my Dad did to his Audi back in about 2003. With the cost of the installation and the nearest filling point being about 10 miles from home or work (but not on a convenient route between the two) has rather dampened my enthusiasm for the idea. From some rudimentry maths I think it would work out cheaper to run the veg/diesel option.

[RichardMoss]

Rover 825 diesels will run on veg oil - and therefore, so will Jeep Cherokees, Ford Scorpios and early Range Rover diesels.

[RichardMoss]

Rover 825 diesels will run on veg oil - and therefore, so will Jeep Cherokees, Ford Scorpios and early Range Rover diesels.

[dollywobbler]

If you really hate diesel, get a Citroen AX/Peugeot 106/205 with the 1.1-litre petrol engine. Should do 50mpg and doesn't sound like a tractor. I'm the other way myself. Can't see the point in a four cylinder engine unless it IS diesel. Petrols had sod all bottom end torque. I'd rather have that and deal with the turbo lag.

[dollywobbler]

If you really hate diesel, get a Citroen AX/Peugeot 106/205 with the 1.1-litre petrol engine. Should do 50mpg and doesn't sound like a tractor. I'm the other way myself. Can't see the point in a four cylinder engine unless it IS diesel. Petrols had sod all bottom end torque. I'd rather have that and deal with the turbo lag.

[Micrashed]

Ian Cavette?

 

I have pondered it, and it was up for sale, but despite it's complete lack of anything nice to talk about, I don't think I can sell it. Incidentally are you 100% the 218 always had Lucas/Cav/not Bosch pumps? I swear I read somewhere they could be run on veg as they were like the PSA in that some had the 'right' pump? Like the man in the built up shoes though I stand to be corrected.

 

The MYTH that Lord Lucas Prince of Darkness dizzlers can not be run on veg is just that, a myth. I have run the following Roto Cav pumped cars on a combination of SVO RVO Dino Hydraulic oil and indeed any old shit that happened to be lying about including used engine oil:

Citroen BX 1.7 TZD Turbo - H423 GBU by Micrashed, on Flickr

1993 Citroen ZX 1.9D - Avantage - DAP 176B by Micrashed, on Flickr

1996 Citroen AX 1.5D Dimension - P296 HKW by Micrashed, on Flickr

1994 Citroen ZX 1.9D Aura - L605 HBV by Micrashed, on Flickr

 

Both the white ZX and green AX did well over 15K miles a piece on a variety of shit and never once complained under my ownership. Buy it cheap enough and fuck the scaremongers right off*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*advice might cause seal failiure in Cav Roto Diesel pumps and knacker your engine

[Micrashed]

Ian Cavette?

 

I have pondered it, and it was up for sale, but despite it's complete lack of anything nice to talk about, I don't think I can sell it. Incidentally are you 100% the 218 always had Lucas/Cav/not Bosch pumps? I swear I read somewhere they could be run on veg as they were like the PSA in that some had the 'right' pump? Like the man in the built up shoes though I stand to be corrected.

 

The MYTH that Lord Lucas Prince of Darkness dizzlers can not be run on veg is just that, a myth. I have run the following Roto Cav pumped cars on a combination of SVO RVO Dino Hydraulic oil and indeed any old shit that happened to be lying about including used engine oil:

Citroen BX 1.7 TZD Turbo - H423 GBU by Micrashed, on Flickr

1993 Citroen ZX 1.9D - Avantage - DAP 176B by Micrashed, on Flickr

1996 Citroen AX 1.5D Dimension - P296 HKW by Micrashed, on Flickr

1994 Citroen ZX 1.9D Aura - L605 HBV by Micrashed, on Flickr

 

Both the white ZX and green AX did well over 15K miles a piece on a variety of shit and never once complained under my ownership. Buy it cheap enough and fuck the scaremongers right off*

 

 

 

 

 

 

*advice might cause seal failiure in Cav Roto Diesel pumps and knacker your engine

[philibusmo]

I don't enjoy driving diesels. But then I don't enjoy driving petrol on my commute either so the cheapness of the veg options with diesels is what swings the balance.

 

I have done a little more research on Rovers. Seems to be an unknown quantity and practically on a per car basis, much like the PSA chod. What is the easy way for the every man idiot to tell if it is a lucas or bosche pump?

[philibusmo]

I don't enjoy driving diesels. But then I don't enjoy driving petrol on my commute either so the cheapness of the veg options with diesels is what swings the balance.

 

I have done a little more research on Rovers. Seems to be an unknown quantity and practically on a per car basis, much like the PSA chod. What is the easy way for the every man idiot to tell if it is a lucas or bosche pump?

[philibusmo]

Mr Micrashed, you do raise a good point. In my price range and milage, even if it does knacker after before 10k, I will probably have had a year use out of it at least.

 

That does open the scope a little wider, although obviously I would rather have the bosch pump as I doubt that the myth came from no-where.

[philibusmo]

Mr Micrashed, you do raise a good point. In my price range and milage, even if it does knacker after before 10k, I will probably have had a year use out of it at least.

 

That does open the scope a little wider, although obviously I would rather have the bosch pump as I doubt that the myth came from no-where.

[garycox]

I'd go for a Mk3 Astra or Cavalier 1.7TD.

 

 

My Astra was GR9 (if a bit dull), I never ran it on veg but a friend has a Cavalier with the same engine and it seems happy.

 

Bear in mind there are 2 types of 1.7TD engine (Isuzu and Vauxhall IIRC) and you need to get the correct one for veg friendliness, although I can't remember which one that is. USEFUL.

 

I think it is the Isuzu one, which has TURBO written on the rocker cover, but I may have made that up.

[garycox]

I'd go for a Mk3 Astra or Cavalier 1.7TD.

 

 

My Astra was GR9 (if a bit dull), I never ran it on veg but a friend has a Cavalier with the same engine and it seems happy.

 

Bear in mind there are 2 types of 1.7TD engine (Isuzu and Vauxhall IIRC) and you need to get the correct one for veg friendliness, although I can't remember which one that is. USEFUL.

 

I think it is the Isuzu one, which has TURBO written on the rocker cover, but I may have made that up.

[dollywobbler]

I don't enjoy driving diesels. But then I don't enjoy driving petrol on my commute either so the cheapness of the veg options with diesels is what swings the balance.

 

I have done a little more research on Rovers. Seems to be an unknown quantity and practically on a per car basis, much like the PSA chod. What is the easy way for the every man idiot to tell if it is a lucas or bosche pump?

 

Not sure there is an easy answer. Other than doing Google searches and trying to remember the differences. I think one has the maker's name on it, but can't remember which. Don't remember seeing any "Lucas" gubbins on either of my BXs.

[dollywobbler]

I don't enjoy driving diesels. But then I don't enjoy driving petrol on my commute either so the cheapness of the veg options with diesels is what swings the balance.

 

I have done a little more research on Rovers. Seems to be an unknown quantity and practically on a per car basis, much like the PSA chod. What is the easy way for the every man idiot to tell if it is a lucas or bosche pump?

 

Not sure there is an easy answer. Other than doing Google searches and trying to remember the differences. I think one has the maker's name on it, but can't remember which. Don't remember seeing any "Lucas" gubbins on either of my BXs.

[Micrashed]

What is the easy way for the every man idiot to tell if it is a lucas or bosche pump?

 

lucas by Micrashed, on Flickr

 

bosch by Micrashed, on Flickr

 

The Bosch one has "bosch" stamped on it, which is a clue - you can also tell by the fuel filter housings, but Siemens ones found on later PSA stuff looks just like Bosch

[Micrashed]

What is the easy way for the every man idiot to tell if it is a lucas or bosche pump?

 

lucas by Micrashed, on Flickr

 

bosch by Micrashed, on Flickr

 

The Bosch one has "bosch" stamped on it, which is a clue - you can also tell by the fuel filter housings, but Siemens ones found on later PSA stuff looks just like Bosch

[Lacquer Peel]

It's not that Lucas injection pumps can't run on veg oil, it's that they will break eventually. Some people might get ten miles out of them, or ten thousand miles.

 

Theoretically they might be good on something closer to the viscosity of diesel, e.g. an 80% SVO/20% petrol mix.

 

Don't mix vegetable oil and engine oil! It turns into jelly.

 

EZ Lucas pump ID, the fuel pipe inlet is on top of the pump. Also that blue label says 'Lucas' on it.

 

EZ Bosch pump ID, the fuel pipe inlet is on the bottom left. Also it says Bosch on it

 

Bosch pump for turbo cars is obvious, the 'flying saucer' boost compensator gives them away.

 

Rovers - 218/418D 100% Lucas pump. Anything with a 2.0 engine apart from the 75, L-series with direct injection and Bosch VE-VP pumps.

[Lacquer Peel]

It's not that Lucas injection pumps can't run on veg oil, it's that they will break eventually. Some people might get ten miles out of them, or ten thousand miles.

 

Theoretically they might be good on something closer to the viscosity of diesel, e.g. an 80% SVO/20% petrol mix.

 

Don't mix vegetable oil and engine oil! It turns into jelly.

 

EZ Lucas pump ID, the fuel pipe inlet is on top of the pump. Also that blue label says 'Lucas' on it.

 

EZ Bosch pump ID, the fuel pipe inlet is on the bottom left. Also it says Bosch on it

 

Bosch pump for turbo cars is obvious, the 'flying saucer' boost compensator gives them away.

 

Rovers - 218/418D 100% Lucas pump. Anything with a 2.0 engine apart from the 75, L-series with direct injection and Bosch VE-VP pumps.

[Micrashed]

Oh and Siemens pumps supposedly dont like SVO either, but in reality its the lift pump that cant cope with the added viscosity - there hasnt been any firm conclusive evidence that I have seen to say that SVO knackers the fuel pump.

[Micrashed]

Oh and Siemens pumps supposedly dont like SVO either, but in reality its the lift pump that cant cope with the added viscosity - there hasnt been any firm conclusive evidence that I have seen to say that SVO knackers the fuel pump.

[Rusty_Rocket]

I'm a fan of biodiesel. Run my Disco' on it (Bosch pump, engine internals from Industrial revolution). I don't make the fuel myself, it's too much of a faff unless you're well set up with the equipment and know-how. Instead I buy it, for £1 a litre.

I also have two Pug-wot 106's, with the TUD5 donkey. These are ultimate mingebag motors, 60mpg, plentiful spares, great drive, cheap tax bracket etc. Only problem is, the vast majority built before 2000 had Lucas injection pumps.

These can go a while on bio but are not really suitable, failure is inevitable with these pumps, I've seen it first hand and inspected the damage. The main problem is the vane-type internal pump, which struggles with the viscosity of bio, particularly in the winter. Water content in the fuel (from badly made bio) also trashes the Lucas pump, by rusting it away from the inside out. The Bosch pump doesn't not suffer from the nylon vane breaking up and shearing the drive shaft as it is different internally. Neither is it particularly bothered about a little water content.

Rubber seals are a problem on both the Bosch and Lucas pumps, normally the front one behind the pulley. Both can be replaced with a new item containing Viton which is resistant to bio. But that really is the least of your troubles, the Lucas pump will die from using bio, if you get 15k from 100% bio diesel on these, you're on borrowed time and the fuel is obviously of very high quality

I shall convert one of my 106's to Bosch FI soon, the parts are getting cheaper and cheaper as more cars die on the roads.

[Rusty_Rocket]

I'm a fan of biodiesel. Run my Disco' on it (Bosch pump, engine internals from Industrial revolution). I don't make the fuel myself, it's too much of a faff unless you're well set up with the equipment and know-how. Instead I buy it, for £1 a litre.

I also have two Pug-wot 106's, with the TUD5 donkey. These are ultimate mingebag motors, 60mpg, plentiful spares, great drive, cheap tax bracket etc. Only problem is, the vast majority built before 2000 had Lucas injection pumps.

These can go a while on bio but are not really suitable, failure is inevitable with these pumps, I've seen it first hand and inspected the damage. The main problem is the vane-type internal pump, which struggles with the viscosity of bio, particularly in the winter. Water content in the fuel (from badly made bio) also trashes the Lucas pump, by rusting it away from the inside out. The Bosch pump doesn't not suffer from the nylon vane breaking up and shearing the drive shaft as it is different internally. Neither is it particularly bothered about a little water content.

Rubber seals are a problem on both the Bosch and Lucas pumps, normally the front one behind the pulley. Both can be replaced with a new item containing Viton which is resistant to bio. But that really is the least of your troubles, the Lucas pump will die from using bio, if you get 15k from 100% bio diesel on these, you're on borrowed time and the fuel is obviously of very high quality

I shall convert one of my 106's to Bosch FI soon, the parts are getting cheaper and cheaper as more cars die on the roads.

[Micrashed]

Don't mix vegetable oil and engine oil! It turns into jelly.

 

Is that not a risk with WVO rather than SVO due to the higher water content emulsifying? I cant remember whether I did mix old engine oil and veg oil, but given that the white one especially ran on almost any old shit and Lidl cooking oil was a firm favorite it does seem possible that it got mixed at some point.

 

The thing with using Veg in a Lucas pump is the acid content of the veg oil attacks the pump seals and eventually they let go, but as I say I have run plenty of Lucas ones on veg and never had a problem. I suppose if the car is cheap enough you can risk it.

[Micrashed]

Don't mix vegetable oil and engine oil! It turns into jelly.

 

Is that not a risk with WVO rather than SVO due to the higher water content emulsifying? I cant remember whether I did mix old engine oil and veg oil, but given that the white one especially ran on almost any old shit and Lidl cooking oil was a firm favorite it does seem possible that it got mixed at some point.

 

The thing with using Veg in a Lucas pump is the acid content of the veg oil attacks the pump seals and eventually they let go, but as I say I have run plenty of Lucas ones on veg and never had a problem. I suppose if the car is cheap enough you can risk it.

[Cavcraft]

I'd go for a Mk3 Astra or Cavalier 1.7TD.

 

My Astra was GR9 (if a bit dull), I never ran it on veg but a friend has a Cavalier with the same engine and it seems happy.

 

Bear in mind there are 2 types of 1.7TD engine (Isuzu and Vauxhall IIRC) and you need to get the correct one for veg friendliness, although I can't remember which one that is. USEFUL.

 

I think it is the Isuzu one, which has TURBO written on the rocker cover, but I may have made that up.

 

The Isuzu one has a sort of 1980's computer font script on the rocker cover...

 

 

The GM slow-blow looks like this...

 

http://www.picvault.co.uk/img/1eyFsy/1768.jpg

 

and, in my fairly limited experience of them, is shit. Gutless and wheezy, not very nice at all.

[Cavcraft]

I'd go for a Mk3 Astra or Cavalier 1.7TD.

 

My Astra was GR9 (if a bit dull), I never ran it on veg but a friend has a Cavalier with the same engine and it seems happy.

 

Bear in mind there are 2 types of 1.7TD engine (Isuzu and Vauxhall IIRC) and you need to get the correct one for veg friendliness, although I can't remember which one that is. USEFUL.

 

I think it is the Isuzu one, which has TURBO written on the rocker cover, but I may have made that up.

 

The Isuzu one has a sort of 1980's computer font script on the rocker cover...

 

 

The GM slow-blow looks like this...

 

http://www.picvault.co.uk/img/1eyFsy/1768.jpg

 

and, in my fairly limited experience of them, is shit. Gutless and wheezy, not very nice at all.