Probably not worth reading this - as you were...

[Mr_Bo11ox]

[chaseracer]

Beige. Repeat until calm.

 

Billy, Testes - inspired...

[Guest]

Panic over, dudes:-

 

Department for Transport statement:

 

"This document [the tendered EU Roadworthiness Package'] is a proposal rather than final legislation. As such, all Member States will have the opportunity to negotiate the final legislation and everything within the current document may be subject to change.

 

The Department has sought views on the proposals from the industry. We will be analysing the proposals to find out what impact they will have on businesses and motorists. We will question rigorously any provisions that imply costs for Government, people or industry and seek to minimise these. We will be taking an active part in the Working Group meetings starting this autumn.

 

It is still far too early to comment on specifics of the legislation as a number of the proposals could be changed or dropped."

[stoney13]

i have been reporting this shit for over a year on other sites, i found various outcomes but none seem that bothered apart from a rod site, most think that the fed for classic vehicles wont let it happen, I have a 1959 A40 farina that shall we say is not standard ( lmao) so you know wot i mean, at last a site that may take it serious

[stoney13]

so now read this http://www.the-ace.org.uk/armageddon/#more-901 from this site this will happen

[Cavcraft]

[Guest]

The ACE site is, in my view, ill informed, misleading and alarmist. The authors of the site hardly appear to have read the proposal, let alone understood it, or taken any legal advice about the draft.

 

The proposal is a long way from becoming legislation, if it ever does. There is no money to fund major change, and UK policy is to resist major new Euro burdens.

[messerschmitt owner]

More importantly, lots Of this is about bringing British and German standards of mot/tuv inspections to the shonkier parts of the eu. Frankly most of it will never get into law and what does is already best practice.

[Guest]

Yup, but the Doomsayers seem to take a positive delight in running about pointing at the sky that (isn't) falling.

 

A potent cocktail of old car beardiness, mod car Barryness, unfamiliarity with basic legal principles about interpreting rules, and Euroscepticism (including, in some discussions, not here, plain Xenophobia) has produced a right old hoo hah about er, not much, really.

[chaseracer]

Situation normal, then...

[Guest]

It's not helped by Classic and Sports Car Magazine writing a really numbskull article about the proposal, getting it completely wrong.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

 

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[M'coli]

Nice to see it's surrounded by cheddar smegma!

[Guest]

Waitrose Davidstow 97 year old primo organic hand knitted cheddar smega at that, I'll warrant.

[Wilko220]

Oh, it turned out to be a load of bollocks, blown out of all proportion did it? Couldn't have predicted that.

[Guest]

This from the EU:-

 

Reports in the press that the European Commission has proposed to make modifications to cars illegal, or to ban classic cars unless they are unchanged since manufacture are entirely wrong.

 

The Commission’s proposals would not, if agreed by the Member States and the European Parliament, make any difference to the current situation regarding MOT testing in the UK except to make most classic cars more than 30 years old exempt from testing if they are not used day-to-day on the roads.

 

All other cars would remain subject to roadworthiness testing, just as they are now. Whether or not they have been modified is not of itself relevant: what counts is whether they are safe and that is what is assessed by MOT tests in the UK and by the equivalent tests elsewhere.

 

What the proposals will do is require all Member States to bring their road worthiness tests up to a certain level of rigour, already applied in the UK : for example, motorbikes will need to be tested regularly everywhere, as they are already in the UK. This will make driving safer for UK drivers at home and abroad.

 

The Commission is writing separately to all the newspapers concerned, none of which checked the facts with us before publication.

 

http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/pre ... incorrect/

[scruff]

LOL!

[Mr_Bo11ox]

'WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!! etc'

[RichardMoss]

As far as I can see, this regulation says|

 

If you want it classed as a Historic Vehicle then it has be be 30+ years old and still in original spec. otherwise it will be treated as it always has been. No need to panic, I think.

[Guest]

Indeed, but Private Fraser is still out in force on other websites.

[messerschmitt owner]

Indeed, but Private Fraser is still out in force on other websites.

let's ignore other websites for they are the false prophets! Autoshite is the true Messiah.

[Guest]

It's not the Messiah, it's a very naughty website.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

As far as I can see, this regulation says|

 

If you want it classed as a Historic Vehicle then it has be be 30+ years old and still in original spec. otherwise it will be treated as it always has been. No need to panic, I think.

 

Except for those of us with current historic vehicles which aren't original spec. BRB, starting a shit drum brake conversion business.

[Guest]

No, you have no need to panic, either. You will just get your car tested under the MOT system. It's no biggie.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

More than happy to have my car MOT'd, I would even if it were exempt. Just not keen on paying more RFL for my 1,500 mile a year car than my sister pays for her 25,000 mile a year modern.

[messerschmitt owner]

More than happy to have my car MOT'd, I would even if it were exempt. Just not keen on paying more RFL for my 1,500 mile a year car than my sister pays for her 25,000 mile a year modern.

Someone who is an expert on every marque ever made will have to be located at every MoT station to check all of this 'as standard' type stuff. I personally wouldn't worry about it, especially if a mod was done well before you owned the vehicle or which looks like it has always been there.

 

Frankly, it's all a pile of poo and not practically enforceable. What every one who has got worked up about is that the EU wants to harmonise MoT/TuV tests across Europe so that each country tests to a best practice standard. The countries that practice a best standard already are the UK and Germany. Expect to see sod all change.

[Guest]

This has nothing to do with road tax. It will remain a matter for the UK to decide which cars are tax exempt and which aren't.

[Rocket88]

As pre 1960 stuff is going to be exempt an MOT from November, even if this was to come into force, how would they inforce the legislation for stuff that falls into that catergory?

[Mash]

More than happy to have my car MOT'd, I would even if it were exempt. Just not keen on paying more RFL for my 1,500 mile a year car than my sister pays for her 25,000 mile a year modern.

 

It's true that this is a spearate issue but is's still a real choker. The only way to get round this is introduce Pay As You Go which I can't see happening.

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

More than happy to have my car MOT'd, I would even if it were exempt. Just not keen on paying more RFL for my 1,500 mile a year car than my sister pays for her 25,000 mile a year modern.

Someone who is an expert on every marque ever made will have to be located at every MoT station to check all of this 'as standard' type stuff. I personally wouldn't worry about it, especially if a mod was done well before you owned the vehicle or which looks like it has always been there.

 

Frankly, it's all a pile of poo and not practically enforceable. What every one who has got worked up about is that the EU wants to harmonise MoT/TuV tests across Europe so that each country tests to a best practice standard. The countries that practice a best standard already are the UK and Germany. Expect to see sod all change.

 

True. But I'd rather drive a car that's 100% legal than one which is technically in breach of an unenforceable law.

 

This has nothing to do with road tax. It will remain a matter for the UK to decide which cars are tax exempt and which aren't.

I accept this, but if a car is deemed not historic enough to be MOT exempt it's hardly a stretch to see it being deemed not tax exempt at the same time.