So Regie, where does this electric come from?

[bigstraight6]

Just clocked an advert for the wonderous new range of Renault electric powered 'cars', that sort of makes a point that everything one does in the modern world makes carbon footprint emissions, even paying the bill at your favourite restaurant Do they Guarantee that every amp you need to power one of their dreadful electric shitboxes comes from a friging windmill!

[cms206]

I don't have a carbon footprint, I drive everywhere...

[M'coli]

That's only if the wind blows at certain speeds - if it doesn't, then it's from nuclear and fossil-fuelled baseload, 30-odd % thermal efficiency at best, and with coal the highest CO2 emitter at that...

[25v6turbo]

Christ knows

We are not dealing with them i think,its a nightmare and to much hard work i think,not all Renault garages have to sell them,the batteries are rented by the way...

[HillmanImp]

Electric cars are a load of tosh. We can barely keep up with the power demand as it is. If we all bought electric cars the entire network would be fucked in days. They are just something to make them look enviromental or some such shit.

[Father Ted]

Local wind farm after Preston North End supplied all their team with Renner Flatulences....

[dollywobbler]

Hmmm. Given the reputation of French electrics, you'd have to be very brave to take on an entirely electric Renault...

[Timewaster]

Hmmm. Given the reputation of the French, you'd have to be very brave to take on a Renault...

 

EFA

 

I presume it is just a Nissan Leaf in a funky bodyshell.

Fully electric cars sold in the UK in 2011? Around 1300

[dollywobbler]

It is a valid point though - where does the electricity come from? Lots of hydro and a bit of wind around here, so I'm alright. Given that electricity is already struggling to keep up demand from what I've heard (due to massive increases in gizmology) I can see it being an issue in future, especially as everywhere is OMG POWAH STATION DO NOT WANT!, Nuclear just creates a serious amount of deadly waste and green energy depends on bad weather.

[Mash]

Just clocked an advert for the wonderous new range of Renault electric powered 'cars', that sort of makes a point that everything one does in the modern world makes carbon footprint emissions, even paying the bill at your favourite restaurant Do they Guarantee that every amp you need to power one of their dreadful electric shitboxes comes from a friging windmill!

 

Ah but you're making the mistake of looking at these vehicles from a rational and logical point of view which as we all know is not the right way!! (Or the Nissan Juke would not exist).

 

I think electric cars are a good idea from a point of view of zero emissions in cities and certainly the technology has its uses, buses and delivery vehicles (which we are develping very successfully at work) for their stop/start nature are ideal but asking us to believe it is a 100% green application is bullshit (which itself is highly harmful to the ozone layer LOL!).

 

Like all of these ideas, the general public (I don't consider myself to be part of this group by the way haha!) are fooled by the hype and subscribe to it wholeheartedly in the belief that they are doing good but not able (or not wishing) to see the science and logic beyond. Of course electric power is not green if it is still generated by fossil fuels. It's convenient and clean to use but won't save the earth just yet!

[Polystratus]

Christ knows

We are not dealing with them i think,its a nightmare and to much hard work i think,not all Renault garages have to sell them,the batteries are rented by the way...

 

Whats the rental price? I've heard something like £85 a month to rent them

[dollywobbler]

Of course, there's also the serious nasties that are needed to make a battery with anything near enough battery life and oomph to power a car. This never seems to get considered either. Nickel mining is pretty nasty. Ok, so petrol engines aren't exactly built from trees and powered by hugs, but they never pretended to be good for the environment either...

[Lankytim]

Don't trees eat carbon?

 

Surely thats good enough reason to run a gas guzzler.

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It's something widely found in nature and makes for excellent tree food as Tim says.

 

CO2 may or may not contribute to global warming. However, there is no way of knowing for sure and, even if it does, there is also no way of knowing whether it really is a bad thing or just accelerates/decelerates naturally occuring changes to Earth's temperature.

 

The rest of it is marketing bollocks, however the sad thing is that Governments are only too happy for the public to worry about irrelevant things so that they can merilly continue giving taxpayer money to carefully selected friends and allies in the NGO and private sectors.

[chaseracer]

I live 6 miles from this (Rugeley power station)...

 

 

...on the opposite edge of the other thing (Cannock Chase).

 

So... that's one (imported) coal-fired power station v. 85 square miles of trees. Seems reasonable - I'll be down to the dealer in the morning then to order a Flatulence.

 

Not.