Bought a lemon!

[revolting peasant]

[Pillock]

I've stopped short of taking the head off, I'm holding out some mad random hope that the three cylinder running is an injector issue.

(Of course, this train of thought involves ignoring the vapour in the oil and the banging noise).

Also it was getting dark, and I know that despite being incredibly frustrated, working on an engine I've never seen before, without a haynes book of fibs, in the dark is never good.

 

Is a compression test possible on dizzlers?

[Mike D]

Chuffin 'ell! This sounds terrible! I really feel for you. Hope it turns out ok

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

Is a compression test possible on dizzlers?

 

Yes, you need a gauge with the correct adaptor to fit in place of the injector or glow plug.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

PLus it has to be a diesel-specific gauge, if you put a petrol one on it will explode and loads of cogs and springs will fly out of it in an amusing way.

[Pete-M]

I fixed a Polo Tdi not long ago which was rough as hell, loose injector wire.

 

Reset the fault codes and it was fine for a day or so then it'd put the light on and do it again. Just fiddling with the pins fixed it. Took a couple of goes though.

[Pete-M]

I fixed a Polo Tdi not long ago which was rough as hell, loose injector wire.

 

Reset the fault codes and it was fine for a day or so then it'd put the light on and do it again. Just fiddling with the pins fixed it. Took a couple of goes though.

[Albert Ross]

You paid a garage to do the turbo yes? They DID check for all debris, and cleaned out the manifolds yes? They DID do a compression check prior to stripdown didn't they? If not, you have a chance to get your money back from them. If so, you don't. I reckon it has ingested the remains of the original turbo.

[Pillock]

You paid a garage to do the turbo yes? They DID check for all debris, and cleaned out the manifolds yes? They DID do a compression check prior to stripdown didn't they? If not, you have a chance to get your money back from them. If so, you don't. I reckon it has ingested the remains of the original turbo.

 

This has crossed my mind in a big way..... as I'm aware of the damage a bit of vane will do to a bore or piston.

I think I'm going to have to investigate it myself, but if there's signs of a foreign object in there having done some damage then I've got the means to get the stripped car up to them on a trailer. Proving it will be tricky but the place sounded pretty honest so it's worth the question.

 

Unfortunately it still leaves me with a fucked car on the drive with several key components now in the boot.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

If it had ingested some bits of turbo I dont think it would have made it 130 miles - it was presumably running and driving OK when you picked it up.

 

Plus, eating a bit of compressor blade is unlikely to papper the engine anyway, theyre aluminium and supa thin + flimsy.

[Pillock]

If it had ingested some bits of turbo I dont think it would have made it 130 miles - it was presumably running and driving OK when you picked it up.

 

Plus, eating a bit of compressor blade is unlikely to papper the engine anyway, theyre aluminium and supa thin + flimsy.

 

Hmmm, OK. Yeah it did 130 miles absolutely fine, very perky and sounded just like every other TDI - a little bit agricultural but nothing out of the ordinary.

In fact there was no build-up to the failure, it drove fine then coasted downhill to a junction - turned left, applied a little bit of power and it just chugged and spluttered.

[Cavcraft]

Bloody hell mate, what a pisser. Is it worth an independant inspection of the car just in case the garage that fixed the turbo try and have you off if you return it to them?

Hope it is something free/cheap to fix, you deserve a break with this car.

[garethj]

At this stage, I'd be considering taking it to a trustworthy mechanic who won't rob you blind as long as you say nice things about old red Land Rovers.

 

You've bought a car to drive around in, it's not like one of Mr_Bo11ox's purchases where it's a bonus if the engine is there at all.

[Pillock]

Right, here's what I've done so far.

 

Rocker cover off. Everything looks OK.

Cambelt cover off. Timing belt is in good order, doesn't look to have jumped teeth.

Injectors out. Sooty and cruddy, a little bit of oil on the mounting faces but not masses. Wiped on t-shirt and put back in.

 

Now the fugger won't start at all, turns over nicely (without any worrying sounds) but no attempt to fire. Made sure glowplug connector rail was back on, there's a hiss-hiss-hiss sound that suggests that compression is escaping but I can't see where! The injectors just seem to sit in the hole but then have a "finger" that bolts down to seal it - they are however a lot looser than when I took them out, they were pretty well sealed with soot and crud.

[red5]

No seal? copper compression type?

[Pillock]

There's a copper seal on the base of the retaining bolt, on the "seat" where it sits against the head. I know it's not ideal to reuse this, but I'd get *some* compression and therefore an attempt to fire, wouldnit I?

 

Also, when turning it over, the oil pressure light came on once and beeeeeeeep, and also the ABS/traction control lights now come on whilst it's turning over which they didn't before.

[Pete-M]

the ABS/traction control lights now come on whilst it's turning over which they didn't before.

 

That's normally a sign that the battery is going flat...

[Pillock]

Yeah, I've had cars where the insruments and lights go wappy when the battery is almost dead, but this is still turning over OK - pretty much full speed.

 

Think it's gonna have to go to a garage, I'm out of ideas

[Albert Ross]

I am still up for coming over to take a peek if you need it. I got your message, but the connection here is shiter than my cars. Taken me 2 hours to get a reply to you! Bloody crappy bollocks etc. When is best for you?

[Guest Leonard Hatred]

Has it lost any oil?

[Pillock]

I'm in all day tomorrow, and I'm seriously tempted to take the week off to get it sorted next week otherwise it's buses to and from work, and getting in at half six not feeling like spannering.

Car's back in Mansfield now, BTW

 

Lennie - No, the oil in it is blacker than it was but the level is good and it smells OK

[Albert Ross]

Right. I am supposed to ring you.... but my phone has gone tits up. Touch screen? It'll get touched down when I get my upgrade... I might ask for two bean cans and a bit of bloody string! I am waiting for contact from someone on another forum before I can set off..... fingers in pies.... I am just trying to sort this lot out. Please bear with me! If my phone was working, I would have this wrapped up!

[Pillock]

No problem, I'm not going anywhere!

[Pillock]

A Visitor!

 

 

With a hammer!

 

[mk1_4dr]

Qual.

 

Im sure the AS roving spanner wielder will give you a swift diagnosis....

[Pillock]

WTD: 1.9 TDI Leon engine, code ASV. Must not be fooked!

[revolting peasant]

[Guest Leonard Hatred]

What's up with it?

[mk1_4dr]

Oh, bother.

 

[Pillock]

OK, the friendly Land Rover perv has just departed, after apologising for taking my engine apart! Hehe.

Looks like the big end bearing has departed in a pretty spectacular fashion - in terms of you can actually lift #4 piston about 1/8th of an inch. There are pretty clear signs that the piston has been smacking the head, and to a limited extent #3 has too. It was a pretty heavyweight noise but it vanished for a minute if you reved it and then let off - no load, no piston-head interference.

 

SO, I'm on the lookout for an older type ASV 110BHP TDI engine. At the very least I need a bottom end, my head seems OK and I've got good turbo and all the other bolt-on bits.

Not great, but as Albert says at least we* didn't take it apart for nothing - it's definately buggered.

 

* We meaning he took it apart, I made coffee and tried not to laugh when the lass next door reversed her car into the wheelie bin.