Further brands for Jaguar Land Rover?

[Mr H Sceptre]

Woooow there. I think you'll find that most of the BMC/BL marques are already in safe hands:

 

http://www.autoshite.com/third-id-115-second242-1-p-242-p2-278.htm

[Guest EccentricRichard]

Woooow there. I think you'll find that most of the BMC/BL marques are already in safe hands:

 

http://www.autoshite.com/third-id-115-second242-1-p-242-p2-278.htm

 

ROFL! LMFAO! PMSL! Etc, etc, ad nauseam... classic! =D

[pogweasel]

 

I'm afraid I'm too broke to have driven

 

Eh?

You have said elsewhere that you are 19.

And you clearly have a love for the subject (even if you are a tiresome shit with your opinions).

 

And you have never yet had a craic at driving ANYTHING? What they hell is wrong with you? What's wrong with slapping some "L" plates on your folks car and making them endure your rubbish clutch control and woeful inability to judge speed & distance, or having a potter in your friends* cars on some private road? Or go on a course? Or do some off-roading? Or just take some bloody lessons?

 

*Yes, I realise you probably don't have any

[scaryoldcortina]

Well ok, what cars have you driven? Dad's beemers? Any off road (public highway) driving? Again not a pisstake, just looking for some background, you seem to know a lot about the characteristics of engines/gearboxes/suspension etc...

 

I'm afraid I'm too broke to have driven, I just do a lot of reading... not just on cars, either. I could probably answer any question you liked on the 19th Century Gothic Revival, for instance... or steam locomotives... or old planes... or medieval engineering/architecture (thinking especially of the cathedrals of the time) blah blah blah...

 

The only source of knowledge is experience

No man's knowledge can go beyond his experience.

Nothing ever becomes real till it is experienced--even a proverb is no proverb to you till your life has illustrated it.

The only real security that a man can have in this world is a reserve of knowledge, experience and ability.

 

I could go on. You aren't the only reader here

[Guest EccentricRichard]

Well ok, what cars have you driven? Dad's beemers? Any off road (public highway) driving? Again not a pisstake, just looking for some background, you seem to know a lot about the characteristics of engines/gearboxes/suspension etc...

 

I'm afraid I'm too broke to have driven, I just do a lot of reading... not just on cars, either. I could probably answer any question you liked on the 19th Century Gothic Revival, for instance... or steam locomotives... or old planes... or medieval engineering/architecture (thinking especially of the cathedrals of the time) blah blah blah...

 

The only source of knowledge is experience

No man's knowledge can go beyond his experience.

Nothing ever becomes real till it is experienced--even a proverb is no proverb to you till your life has illustrated it.

The only real security that a man can have in this world is a reserve of knowledge, experience and ability.

 

I could go on. You aren't the only reader here

 

Not going to argue with that... though there is quite a bit one can learn just by reading. I know a fair amount of the physics of how a car works.

[scaryoldcortina]

Knowing the physics of how the car is supposed to behave won't help you at all when it comes to actually driving it. Theory is nice, but with most things, no amount of reading prepares you for the real thing. That goes for sex too.

[Guest EccentricRichard]

 

I'm afraid I'm too broke to have driven

 

Eh?

You have said elsewhere that you are 19.

And you clearly have a love for the subject (even if you are a tiresome shit with your opinions).

 

And you have never yet had a craic at driving ANYTHING? What they hell is wrong with you? What's wrong with slapping some "L" plates on your folks car and making them endure your rubbish clutch control and woeful inability to judge speed & distance, or having a potter in your friends* cars on some private road? Or go on a course? Or do some off-roading? Or just take some bloody lessons?

 

*Yes, I realise you probably don't have any

 

Erm, first, I have plenty of friends. Second, I'm too broke to take driving lessons. Insurance is just RIDICULOUSLY expensive (even my parents' 10-year-old 318iT with just 118bhp was going to cost 4 and a half grand a year to insure all three of us on it, when it only costs my parents something like 400 quid a year). I keep applying for jobs and never even get a fucking reply (and my college careers advisers are mystified by this). Until I've learned SOME clutch control, for instance, I'm not even going to ask my mates to have a bash on one of their cars... WaynusSJ on here is a mate of mine (he's got a Suzuki SJ, which explains part of his name) and he often goes green-laning, but I wouldn't have the balls to ask him to let me loose on his pride and joy, and he'd probably hit me if I asked him. Private roads are hard to come by round here, too...

[Guest EccentricRichard]

Knowing the physics of how the car is supposed to behave won't help you at all when it comes to actually driving it. Theory is nice, but with most things, no amount of reading prepares you for the real thing. That goes for sex too.

 

That's true enough...

[Louise2cv]

I'm going to write here and now that the Allegro is a perfectly usable, capable little car, it does everything a car has to do and it does it fairly well.

 

Now you have read that, will you quote it?

[Guest EccentricRichard]

I'm going to write here and now that the Allegro is a perfectly usable, capable little car, it does everything a car has to do and it does it fairly well.

 

Now you have read that, will you quote it?

 

That may be your view, but don't expect everyone to share it =)

[Tayne]

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[Guest Leonard Hatred]

I read a piece by Ernest Hack saying that Austin Allegros are quite possibly the greatest cars ever made, and anybody who doesn't rave about their superlative driving dynamics and styling on internet forums is a fud.

[scaryoldcortina]

Now, if this was a court, the testimony of someone with relevent experience would count. The opinion of someone without the experience would be inadmissable.

 

Besides, Louise's statement is based in fact. The allegro IS everything she says, it would have been impossible to sell at all if it didn't meet the basic requirements of a car.

[trigger]

I just think it's funny that even Louise is starting to get the arse ache!

 

Oh and here's another famous quote for you Richard...

 

Stop talking like a C*NT

[Guest EccentricRichard]

I just think it's funny that even Louise is starting to get the arse ache!

 

Hey, I wasn't having a go at her, just having a friendly disagreement, that's all

[Guest EccentricRichard]

Huh? Jags only Mondeos or Mustangs these days? OK, so the XF is VERY distantly related to the Mustang, but the X-type (which was a hugely re-engineered Mondeo) is dead, the XK and XJ use exclusive-to-themselves all-aluminium platforms, the V8 engine isn't used by anyone except Jaguar (well, there's a modified version in the Aston V8 Vantage, so what I just said isn't strictly true), but there's nothing like as much in common with common-or-garden Frauds these days as you might believe. Also, it's a bloody good V8 engine, and the diesel V6 is pretty unbelievable... if not quite the equal of BMW's 300bhp twin-turbo all-alloy straight six. Mind you, I do agree that Jaguar need to get back to straight sixes, and even they agree (if the rumours coming out of Gaydon are to be believed).

 

You forgot Range Rovers, Discoveries, Peugeots and Citroens that share engines with Jaguar.

 

Yes, the Jaguar AJD-V6 is also to be found in the Discovery, the Range Rover Sport (not the real Range Rover, though), the Citroen C5 and C6... but I don't think Peugeot use it at the moment. Mind you, there is that new 508 thing out now/soon, which might use it...

 

Oh, and the Freelander (and that new stupid Range Rover Evoque thingy) use a four-cylinder diesel engine which is, I think, related to the PSA 2.2 HDI lump.

[Cavcraft]

 

Blah, blah blah.

 

I keep applying for jobs and never even get a fucking reply

 

If you apply for jobs like you type on here they probably get to the end of the first sentence then bin the letters.

[Guest EccentricRichard]

If you apply for jobs like you type on here they probably get to the end of the first sentence then bin the letters.

 

Look, unless you're a careers adviser, I'm not going to listen to you. I've spoken to several (and to a few professional HR managers I know) who have given the applications a clean bill of health... You changing my username in that quote to "Electric Dick" just shows how immature you are...

[Cavcraft]

If you apply for jobs like you type on here they probably get to the end of the first sentence then bin the letters.

 

Look, unless you're a careers adviser, I'm not going to listen to you. I've spoken to several (and to a few professional HR managers I know) who have given the applications a clean bill of health... You changing my username in that quote to "Electric Dick" just shows how immature you are...

 

SOZ M8.

[Guest EccentricRichard]

standard limited-slip diffs across the range (also at Jaguar)

A friend of mine works there and he gave me a lift down to Goodwood in his XJR. Maybe it wasn't called that, but it was a 2+2 cabrio with a 5 litre V8, I get lost with anything after 1978.

 

The diff isn't limited slip, it electronically controls the speed and torque to either wheel so it can aid stability too - when turning left it'll make the right wheel turn a little faster to help it around, they tested the same thing on the Range Rovers and they're now much less likely to fall over - it's that good.

 

Hoofing the power down, this sports cabrio is a lot more stable than I expected, although it does have tyres specially developed for it. You can take huge chances with accelerating over bumps and off camber corners and it just goes without drama. Places where I wouldn't accelerate hard with my measly 2 litre Pinto and this thing rockets off without a worry. Very impressive.

 

That'd be an XK 5.0 or an XKR (R denotes the supercharged version). Yeah, those electronic diffs are quite impressive, but for pure traction/drifting you can't beat a proper LSD... inevitably, though, other people have other priorities, hence the rise of these electronic diffs! =D

[Tayne]

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[Guest EccentricRichard]

Yes, the Jaguar AJD-V6 is also to be found in the Discovery, the Range Rover Sport (not the real Range Rover, though), the Citroen C5 and C6... but I don't think Peugeot use it at the moment. Mind you, there is that new 508 thing out now/soon, which might use it...

 

Oh, and the Freelander (and that new stupid Range Rover Evoque thingy) use a four-cylinder diesel engine which is, I think, related to the PSA 2.2 HDI lump.

 

Jaguar only seem to have three basic engines, a Ford-sourced V6, a diesel which is shared with three other manufacturers, a V8 (which does appear in the L322 Range Rover).

 

I'm also curious as to who is influencing your opinions on Rover Rovers, you don't seem to be towing the media line on the Evoque.

You might not like it but it will sell by the shit load, to new customers and will make the company lots of money.

In much the same way that the Sport did.

 

Well, Jag are going to put the 4-cylinder diesel from the Freelander etc, somewhat re-engineered, into the XF. With the number of 520ds you see around, it's no surprise. Yes, there's the Ford petrol V6 (albeit reworked by Jag), but you can only get that in the XF, all petrol XJs are V8s now. The diesel V6 is used only by JLR and Citroen - who's the third maker? Or are you talking about the old Ford/JLR/PSA four-banger diesel?

 

No, I'm not toeing the media line on the Evoque. I think it's a dreadful mistake... a Range Rover without 4WD... a Range Rover with the worst rear 3/4 visibility of any car made since the old coachbuilt specials that had all died out in/by the 60s... Victoria Beckham as "fashion consultant" FFS!

 

Plus, like all LR products now, the styling is FAR too bling. Even my beloved L322 has become Rooney's wet dream now...

 

But, of course, it will all sell cars... and if it funds more really desirable Jags, so much the better.

[garethj]

That'd be an XK 5.0 or an XKR (R denotes the supercharged version).

It was an XK-R, the R was picked out in red on the dashboard for extra performance.

Yeah, those electronic diffs are quite impressive

Indeed, interested to hear your experiences, how your seat of the pants was gripped etc, especially compared to gear or friction plate diffs and open diffs too.

but for pure traction/drifting you can't beat a proper LSD

Jesus Harold Christ, do you ever stop to read back the shit you shovel here?

[scruff]

This bloke has got to be a wind up

[Guest EccentricRichard]

That'd be an XK 5.0 or an XKR (R denotes the supercharged version).

It was an XK-R, the R was picked out in red on the dashboard for extra performance.

Yeah, those electronic diffs are quite impressive

Indeed, interested to hear your experiences, how your seat of the pants was gripped etc, especially compared to gear or friction plate diffs and open diffs too.

but for pure traction/drifting you can't beat a proper LSD

Jesus Harold Christ, do you ever stop to read back the shit you shovel here?

 

'Fraid I'm mostly reporting a family friend's experience. He's a commodities trader and has had all sorts of tasty machinery down the years (most recently a Jag XKR, which I have ridden in), and told me his experience with different diffs... and I've read a fair bit about how the different types of diff work. Also been in an old 3-series with a proper LSD...

[Gompo]

Is having 300hp six going to lower their emissions enough to meet the future 'average emissions' directive then?

 

I know this topic was about JLR anyway so I'll leave it after this, but with regards to AM; I dont want them to sell more cars or expand, they're popular enough as it is. I dont want to see them fold but having them doing stuff like the One-77 and the Cygnet is more interesting to me than loads of S6 turbo powered cars.

 

It'd make a surprising difference - particularly with the sales boost it'd provide.

 

You best go tell AM about this market they're missing. I dont see how selling even more cars above the average emissions threshold is going to help in that debacle though.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

This guy is clearly a troll.

[warren t claim]

That'd be an XK 5.0 or an XKR (R denotes the supercharged version).

It was an XK-R, the R was picked out in red on the dashboard for extra performance.

Yeah, those electronic diffs are quite impressive

Indeed, interested to hear your experiences, how your seat of the pants was gripped etc, especially compared to gear or friction plate diffs and open diffs too.

but for pure traction/drifting you can't beat a proper LSD

Jesus Harold Christ, do you ever stop to read back the shit you shovel here?

 

It will take you many years and miles of road experience before you can form an opinion on any of the above.

[Albert Ross]

This guy is clearly a cunt.

 

I know it's not QUITE what you typed, but I feel you, Brother............

[ChinaTom]

110% agreed that it is a wind-up. Sounds like someone has created a character. If this was John Dunn's mystery voice comp, I'd say it was Hirst.

 

Perhaps a post on Station's "post a pic of yourself" would be interesting.

 

Anyway, branding brings out the fickle nature of many markets that firms rely on for volume (Russia, China etc). The faster the economic development accelerates, the more fickle the market. No evidence on that, just what I see.

 

There is only one "brand" that I don't think has been done yet by anyone; but I would have a fiver on it's success. Caterpillar. LR can't do this in existing markets as it would be self-cancelling, but if they needed to offload some Defender's somewhere, teaming up with Caterpillar and getting the details right, China, Russia and oily bits of Africa would have waiting lists. It's like Hummer without the dodgy pedigree of not really having won a war for a bloody long time.

 

Or maybe not.

 

But, Extra-tentacle Richard, you are a figment of someone's imagination.