But they're wrong

[seth]

Out of interest Did anyone ever make a sidevalve v6?

 

I can't think of one.

[Guest EccentricRichard]

not unless you're putting an OHV V6 against a DOHC straight-six, which just ain't fair. Chalk and cheese.

 

Is he saying that DOHC engines don't have OHV or does he mean pushrod vs dohc ?

 

 

I did indeed mean pushrod vs DOHC.

[M'coli]

Re BMW and Ford Oz being the only makers of the I6 - I thought the LS200 Lexus had an I6? Incidentally the only car to suit Lexus-style rear lights, oddly enough.

Increases in inertia due to balance shafts etc. can be mitigated by lightening the DMF a touch.

I6s are difficult to fit transversely, I think the E-series was the only time it's been "successfully" attempted.

V6s are shorter and so leave more room to help pass NCAP tests.

The smoothness of a 5, 6, 8 etc doesn't just come from the inherant balance or whatever, it comes from having one powerstroke start prior to the end of the previous one - a 2-stroke triple with a balance shaft should thus be as smooth as an I6.

Said stroker is even closer to the essence of the reciprocating piston engine - 7 moving parts.

[scaryoldcortina]

not unless you're putting an OHV V6 against a DOHC straight-six, which just ain't fair. Chalk and cheese.

 

Is he saying that DOHC engines don't have OHV or does he mean pushrod vs dohc ?

 

 

I did indeed mean pushrod vs DOHC.

 

 

Shh now, sit down and have a piece of cake. It's OK, I have plenty. You don't have to keep requoting and answering everything, that isn't how it works. Just stop, and go find stuff about elderly talbots or something.

 

Oh, and there isn't an option to quit. You joined, you are now stuck with it. There isn't a "Delete my account" button like on some fancy pro-boards type forums, and the mods don't give a shit, they wont give up good fag and buttie time to banning you, so you are now doomed forever to autoshite. I firmly believe that even today Jane2010 is scouring the classified adverts for an Austin Allegro with which to compliment her Ugg boots and straight hair. It will be less painful if you just accept this, and get on with liking old tat and not arguing about BMWs (which always sets folk off for some reason...).

[Guest EccentricRichard]

Re BMW and Ford Oz being the only makers of the I6 - I thought the LS200 Lexus had an I6? Incidentally the only car to suit Lexus-style rear lights, oddly enough.

Increases in inertia due to balance shafts etc. can be mitigated by lightening the DMF a touch.

I6s are difficult to fit transversely, I think the E-series was the only time it's been "successfully" attempted.

V6s are shorter and so leave more room to help pass NCAP tests.

The smoothness of a 5, 6, 8 etc doesn't just come from the inherant balance or whatever, it comes from having one powerstroke start prior to the end of the previous one - a 2-stroke triple with a balance shaft should thus be as smooth as an I6.

Said stroker is even closer to the essence of the reciprocating piston engine - 7 moving parts.

 

Said Lexus engine was part of Toyota's JZ series, I think (related to the Supra engine), but, sadly, it died with the Mk1 IS-series. The Mk2 now uses a V6 related to that in the Camryawn...

 

Oh, and Mercedes-Benz has gone all-V6 too.

 

P. S. You can get transverse straight-sixes in the Volvo S60, V60, S80, V70, XC60 XC70 and XC90 (just not the C30, S40 or V50). The same engine has also been used in US-market Land Rover Freelanders.

 

GM's Korean arm has also fitted a straight-six transversely in the Daewoo Tosca/Chevrolet Epica (apparently the engine was designed by Porsche - GM also had the bloody nerve to call it 'XK'!). GM should use it in the Cadillac CTS...

[scaryoldcortina]

Hey, I'm not gettinig through, am I?

 

Everyone else can use wikipedia too, it isn't clever, now calm down.

[ChinaTom]

I think the only way forward here is for EccRich to get the ol' man to buy a petrol powered Epica.

[Guest EccentricRichard]

Hey, I'm not gettinig through, am I?

 

Everyone else can use wikipedia too, it isn't clever, now calm down.

 

I didn't need Wikipedia, except to double-check the name of the GM product. I knew the rest.

 

I think the only way forward here is for EccRich to get the ol' man to buy a petrol powered Epica.

 

Not a chance, it's wrong-wheel-drive. I'm too busy looking for Triumph 2000 estates for sale...

[Pete-M]

2000? When the 2500 PI exists? That's just wrong. Unless it's getting a Rover V8 in...

 

Oh, and Autoshite ain't intolerant. They've put up with my rantings and auto-snobbery for years, and even bought cars from me.

 

Truth is, if you're into shite old cars then all is good. Most of us know a good car from a shite one, it's just tastes and definitions vary. Some of us actually like old Renaults and Peugeots, there's a fair amount of old Frog / Brit / Jap tat spread amongst this lot. There are people here who've spent well over 20 years just collecting old / unpopular rammle, and others who've spent just as long disliking that exact rammle - but who smile when they see one on the road, or spot bits of one dissolving in the hedgerows, and who'd have an ace time driving one but would never want to own it. Others custom build their own special tat, whilst there are some who buy tat and then park it up hundreds of miles from home so they have an excuse to do insanely long trips just to see how much rust has appeared since last time. Then there are the folk who were daft enough to buy old tat when it was just middle aged, ran it for a while and then flogged it on before it got expensive.

 

If you like old tat, then Autoshite won't bite (unless you fail to snip properly, then you'll have Milf on your case...).

[Guest EccentricRichard]

2000? When the 2500 PI exists? That's just wrong. Unless he's putting a Rover V8 in...

 

I used '2000' to refer to the whole range. I thought the 2500 was carb-only? That the injected model was called 2.5PI?

 

Is there any significant difference in fuel consumption between the two?

[Pete-M]

2000? When the 2500 PI exists? That's just wrong. Unless he's putting a Rover V8 in...

 

I used '2000' to refer to the whole range. I thought the 2500 was carb-only? That the injected model was called 2.5PI?

 

Is there any significant difference in fuel consumption between the two?

 

Pi's were a little bit quicker, when they worked. 2500S is probably the better one to live with. Don't know about the MPG on 'em, but I imagine the Pi might be better on a run, and the S to be better in urban situations. I don't know why, I just get the feeling that would be the case. Those Lucas PI systems were never the most efficient of setups when cold.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

The same engine has also been used in US-market Land Rover Freelanders.

 

 

This sounds interesting, got any more info?

[Volksy]

Blimey. This has gone on for a bit hasn't it!

 

@ Ecc-Rich. As an ex-youngun, you actually remind me a lot of myself at your age. You obviously have read a lot of information. Good for you, I'm sure it will come in handy somewhere down the line. Just not all at once. I'm assuming that your head is quite full and you need somewhere to vent it all. I also assume that you are aware that there are make specific forums where you could regurgitate the relevant info at your high academic level and wind all 'enthusiasts' up with your well informed, but as yet untested knowledge. Which I think is possibly part of the reason you have got peoples backs up on here. A few of us are anoraks, and I count myself in that, some are not. (I also think that no one gives a flying f@ck about whether a Volvo S60 has a straight 6 transversely mounted, which I don't think it did*, Hirst will have had a 'moment' where the Chevy Epica was mentioned though... That's how this site works ya' see!). So, as quite a few people have already asked, before waffling on about the Old Mans bimmer again or quoting handling characteristics that you have never experienced, please think twice about posting hoards of stuff, it's just annoying.

 

@ ScaryoldCortina. I didn't realise that you couldn't leave. I now have Sam Neill in my head from Event Horizon..."You can't leave, It won't let you....." shudders

 

*Bet this is the only point picked up on...

[myglaren]

Just like the Hotel California then ?

[garethj]

Just like the Hotel California then ?

Dunno, was there a Talbot Solara Minx parked outside? I can't remember the album cover

[Justin Case]

. Then there are the folk who were daft enough to buy old tat when it was just middle aged, ran it for a while and then flogged it on before it got expensive.

 

Morning Pete

[AnthonyG]

Autoshite..you can register but you can never leave...

[Guest Leonard Hatred]

I remember when the Volvo S80 T6 was launched, they claimed it was the first transversely mounted in line six. Aye, I used to read new car mags when I was 12/13.

[Mr Lobster]

Me too.

 

I used to absorb everything from comics such as AutoCar and even AutoExpress when I was younger.

 

Then I realised that nobody was interested and it was terribly fucking boring.

[messerschmitt owner]

I remember when the Volvo S80 T6 was launched, they claimed it was the first transversely mounted in line six. Aye, I used to read new car mags when I was 12/13.

they must have forgotten about my old Wolseley then!

[Guest Leonard Hatred]

Me too.

 

I used to absorb everything from comics such as AutoCar and even AutoExpress when I was younger.

 

I stopped buying Autocar when it became plain it was a Ford brochure dressed up as an objective car comic.

I've tried to read new car magazines as a bitter 20-something, but they are all fuck dull.

[scaryoldcortina]

Me too.

 

I used to absorb everything from comics such as AutoCar and even AutoExpress when I was younger.

 

I stopped buying Autocar when it became plain it was a Ford brochure dressed up as an objective car comic.

I've tried to read new car magazines as a bitter 20-something, but they are all fuck dull.

 

Yeah, about 20 something years ago I used to read every scrap of any car mag I could get and memorize it all. I stopped soon after because I learned to drive and realized that 90% of what I had read was bollocks, and also because none of it was interesting to girls.

[M'coli]

Is this the morning lull when E_Richard is at lectures? Good!

 

I used to buy Motoring News every week from the age of 10 rather than road car stuff - it was the F1 stuff I was interested in. I promised myself Autosport everytime a British driver won a grand prix - this being the early 80s, I didn't spend much on Autosport...!

 

What this thread does reinforce is that there isn't much new in the automotive world, just different applications and history being rewritten by ignoring the products of companies who can no longer sue.

[M'coli]

Me too.

 

I used to absorb everything from comics such as AutoCar and even AutoExpress when I was younger.

 

I stopped buying Autocar when it became plain it was a Ford brochure dressed up as an objective car comic.

I've tried to read new car magazines as a bitter 20-something, but they are all fuck dull.

 

Yeah, about 20 something years ago I used to read every scrap of any car mag I could get and memorize it all. I stopped soon after because I learned to drive and realized that 90% of what I had read was bollocks, and also because none of it was interesting to girls.

I stopped reading stuff too when I realised it wasn't interesting to girls, but started reading again when I realised it was interesting to me (and it kept me sane).

[scaryoldcortina]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I still read an insane amount! Worryingly, I remember most of it too. What I stopped doing was believing everything printed to be automatically true, and quoting shit I don't fully understand or have any experience of. I guess it is part of growing up

[Guest EccentricRichard]

no one gives a flying f@ck about whether a Volvo S60 has a straight 6 transversely mounted, which I don't think it did

 

I don't think the Mk1 S60 did, but they've just launched an all-new S60 (with an estate version, the V60) that definitely does.

[Volksy]

LOLZ

[messerschmitt owner]

no one gives a flying f@ck about whether a Volvo S60 has a straight 6 transversely mounted, which I don't think it did

 

I don't think the Mk1 S60 did, but they've just launched an all-new S60 (with an estate version, the V60) that definitely does.

lolz indeed

[worldofceri]

no one gives a flying f@ck about whether a Volvo S60 has a straight 6 transversely mounted, which I don't think it did*

*Bet this is the only point picked up on...

 

LOL

 

Yo! E.Richard / T.Blitz. Post up pages of pages of pictures of your local tat and you won't get picked on. Post up pages and pages of opinionated argumentative prose and you will.

[morris_ital_lover]

Yo! E.Richard / T.Blitz. Post up pages of pages of pictures of your local tat and you won't get picked on. Post up pages and pages of opinionated argumentative prose and you will.

 

+1.

 

m0rris