Missing* Dyane

[Dick Cheeseburger]

What is the owner's daughter doing with all of the new information which has come to light, @richardmorris? If it were me, I'd be heading to the seller pronto before the car goes to ground, assuming it hasn't already. 

[richardmorris]

11 minutes ago, Dick Cheeseburger said:

What is the owner's daughter doing with all of the new information which has come to light, @richardmorris? If it were me, I'd be heading to the seller pronto before the car goes to ground, assuming it hasn't already. 

I am only in contact with will. He is in touch with the daughter. I will keep you posted on what I hear. There is now at least one more link in the chain as to how it got out of the garage.

[sierraman]

42 minutes ago, Dick Cheeseburger said:

What is the owner's daughter doing with all of the new information which has come to light, @richardmorris? If it were me, I'd be heading to the seller pronto before the car goes to ground, assuming it hasn't already. 

If as described on the page before has happened then they’re not seeing that again I’m afraid. The police won’t get involved if it’s involving going on a caravan site. 

[Bear]

31 minutes ago, sierraman said:

If as described on the page before has happened then they’re not seeing that again I’m afraid. The police won’t get involved if it’s involving going on a caravan site. 

The car dealer has bought it from the caravan site - and as long as the theft is proven, the car dealer is the one going back to the caravan site to get their money back, I suspect.

They have enough nice stock that if they have any common sense they'll return the car to the legal owner, it's not like it's worth thousands - the shell is clearly rotten on the inner arches etc. and IIRC if a Dyane shell is that stage the chassis will be about as crispy and strong as a pink and white wafer.

[sierraman]

11 minutes ago, Bear said:

The car dealer has bought it from the caravan site - and as long as the theft is proven, the car dealer is the one going back to the caravan site to get their money back, I suspect.

They have enough nice stock that if they have any common sense they'll return the car to the legal owner, it's not like it's worth thousands - the shell is clearly rotten on the inner arches etc. and IIRC if a Dyane shell is that stage the chassis will be about as crispy and strong as a pink and white wafer.

Yes you are probably right, he’ll go off back to the traveller site and he’ll get a full refund and a full and frank apology. I’ve no doubt about that whatsoever. 

[richardmorris]

Will has just messaged me. Apparently neighbours have confirmed that pikeys were going house to house offering "gardening services" and trying to buy anything not nailed down - "you don't want this, do you?"

[alcyonecorporation]

Were the keys in it? 

Did they apply for the V5? 

Was money handed over? 

Was a dodgy carer involved? 

[Dick Cheeseburger]

V5 hasn't changed keeper according to DVLA. 

[Split_Pin]

Well that all checks out then. The only weapon in this is prevention, note down any unusual vehicles in the street, strangers looking around/chapping doors and tell them no thank you. Look out for any neighbours who may be vulnerable.

I'm also high 80s % certain the car dealer knew exactly what they were buying/from whom.

These are people who have no place on this earth.

[Bear]

41 minutes ago, sierraman said:

Yes you are probably right, he’ll go off back to the traveller site and he’ll get a full refund and a full and frank apology. I’ve no doubt about that whatsoever. 

Oh, I don't give a shit what happens to the dealer, only the victim of the theft. As I said, this car is unlikely to have cost him as much as the PR around trying to get £3K for some old chap's rusty Dyane taken without consent.

[richardmorris]

21 minutes ago, alcyonecorporation said:

Were the keys in it? 

Did they apply for the V5? 

Was money handed over? 

Was a dodgy carer involved? 

Keys and car, v5 taken with owner's "consent". But he wasn't competent to make the decision and then forgot he had done. No money changed hands by the sound of it, and nothing in writing. No carer.

[Bear]

58 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Will has just messaged me. Apparently neighbours have confirmed that pikeys were going house to house offering "gardening services" and trying to buy anything not nailed down - "you don't want this, do you?"

All checks out - and the van trades logo is probably meaningless.

I have a lot of time for being inclusive of travellers etc. and making provisions/not being fond of stereotypes, but fuck me if they don't police it themselves and get this sort of behaviour in the bin, they're always going to be tar(macced)red with the same brush.

I note the car dealer has taken the video of the Dyane down it seems?

And the eBay listing as well. Have they handed the car back after it got too hot to handle so to speak?

And also their instagram has a handful of "been in a garage 20 years getting winched out" cars that I bet were not bought for a fair trade value...

[Bear]

Just now, richardmorris said:

Keys and car, v5 taken with owner's "consent". But he wasn't competent to make the decision and then forgot he had done. No money changed hands by the sound of it, and nothing in writing. No carer.

So, con artist and stolen. Probably threatening and coercive and very unpleasant

[Bear]

On 06/10/2025 at 21:28, richardmorris said:

Apparently the garage door was forced and lock broken. 

This doesn't add up with consent to me...

[Split_Pin]

They do not care what people think. The only time they are in danger is when a dispute with another family arises.

There is a formal site very near me and this is exactly what happened one day. Its been largely empty since Covid.

[Split_Pin]

2 minutes ago, Bear said:

So, con artist and stolen. Probably threatening and coercive and very unpleasant

First part correct, second part the opposite is almost certainly true, which is much worse. 

[richardmorris]

2 minutes ago, Bear said:

This doesn't add up with consent to me...

They were "helping" him move it out.  Garage not opened for years.

[Bear]

1 minute ago, Split_Pin said:

First part correct, second part the opposite is almost certainly true, which is much worse. 

Same sort of people who take tens of thousands from old people for building work that was never needed and never done. I am sure the daughter and family are now rather worried about him being vulnerable to shits like this and a car is a relatively trivial aspect

[Bear]

2 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

They were "helping" him move it out.  Garage not opened for years.

Hence the lad scoping for anything else to "help" with no doubt.

[Bear]

9 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Keys and car, v5 taken with owner's "consent". But he wasn't competent to make the decision and then forgot he had done. No money changed hands by the sound of it, and nothing in writing. No carer.

From a legal perspective and given his apparent independent abilities, does the family have an LPA in  place? If so, it's arguable that he demonstrably cannot consent to giving the car to someone.

Not of much use practically but worth remembering when making any argument to get it back from the dealer and talking to police, and I'm sure they already know this.

[sierraman]

34 minutes ago, Split_Pin said:

Well that all checks out then. The only weapon in this is prevention, note down any unusual vehicles in the street, strangers looking around/chapping doors and tell them no thank you. Look out for any neighbours who may be vulnerable.

I'm also high 80s % certain the car dealer knew exactly what they were buying/from whom.

These are people who have no place on this earth.

This. Things like this get passed from one to another to another. By time police get involved they won’t know where it is anyway, even if they did they’d be ‘advised’ not to get involved. The problem you have is once the cats out of the bag it’s of no value to them by then so only thing to do is bale it or break it up. 

[richardmorris]

1 minute ago, Bear said:

From a legal perspective and given his apparent independent abilities, does the family have an LPA in  place? If so, it's arguable that he demonstrably cannot consent to giving the car to someone.

Not of much use practically but worth remembering when making any argument to get it back from the dealer and talking to police, and I'm sure they already know this.

I was struggling to find the right word. It's not really consent as he clearly didn't know what was going on, and when the daughter cam over and asked what had happened to the garage and where the car was, he didn't know and was distraught. Hence contacting Will at the local 2CV garage.

Certainly too late for a LPA if they haven't done so as he'd need to be in his right mind to sign one. Something I am sure the family is now concerned about.

Very sad situation. 

[Split_Pin]

Now pulled from Ebay as well as YT. 

I reckon Reilly is dodgy as well.

If I was the daughter I'd be making the car too hot to handle now, all the while ruining his business (would cost him a bit to dissolve it and restart although easy to do and a common practice).  They'll mess with the wrong person one day with (equally dodgy) upset relatives who will fight fire with fire (possibly literally).

[Talbot]

It is a shame it's been pulled from ebay, as the best thing that could have happened would be to go and "view" the car, and just drive off in it. 

[Bear]

14 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Certainly too late for a LPA if they haven't done so as he'd need to be in his right mind to sign one. Something I am sure the family is now concerned about.. 

Potentially not too late, if he is just having lapses - that's usually when people get them in place. As long as a doctor can agree that at the time of signing it has been explained, understood and signed with consent and no coercion. Of course that's harder for everyone when dealing with something stressful like this. Hopefully they have already done it, but so often it's only done when people go into homes or care - and worryingly third-parties end up doing it and taking advantage.

[sierraman]

Curious as well as to why the Volvo 740 listed he has that’s been sat in a garage a number of years has the rear quarter light broken? 

[Bear]

2 minutes ago, Talbot said:

It is a shame it's been pulled from ebay, as the best thing that could have happened would be to go and "view" the car, and just drive off in it. 

I'd agree except the car wasn't running or driving AFAICT - shove the starter handle in, put it in gear with the plugs out and crank really fast?

"Can I take it for a test push?"

The listing appears to have been pulled rather than ended, usually that's an eBay action - I wonder if it got reported stolen to eBay.

(No, I didn't - listing = evidence!)

[Bear]

6 minutes ago, sierraman said:

Curious as well as to why the Volvo 740 listed he has that’s been sat in a garage a number of years has the rear quarter light broken? 

Honestly the ones that worry me are the red Ferrari "parked up for 20 years" being hauled out on locked brakes - no dollies - and the e-type, on instagram. If you were legit removing a car like that you'd do it properly, not drag it.

Notice the listing for the 740 doesn't mention keys or V5... though there is a key in it.

[richardmorris]

8 minutes ago, Bear said:

Potentially not too late, if he is just having lapses - that's usually when people get them in place. As long as a doctor can agree that at the time of signing it has been explained, understood and signed with consent and no coercion. Of course that's harder for everyone when dealing with something stressful like this. Hopefully they have already done it, but so often it's only done when people go into homes or care - and worryingly third-parties end up doing it and taking advantage.

Yes, my parent's did one for me and my sister years ago - I think when my last neice was born and they did their wills at the same time.

[alcyonecorporation]

45 minutes ago, richardmorris said:

Keys and car, v5 taken with owner's "consent". But he wasn't competent to make the decision and then forgot he had done. No money changed hands by the sound of it, and nothing in writing. No carer.

oh my god, they're not getting that back