Another Scrappage victim..........

[Mr Lobster]

Cavette, I would imagine what the VW dealer said to be true. Few years ago when I was a FoMoCo employee, I worked fairly closely with one dealership. One day the GM tells me they needed to register X cars to hit the target, would I mind if they registered one to me and in return I could have 20000 Nectar points if I wanted They registered about 12 cars IIRC with various staff members and families before reselling them as zero mileage pre registered cars a month or so later. Can't remeber exactly how much their quarterly bonus was but it was a lot of money.

[dollywobbler]

Rover did that themselves, with 75s. Register them, lend them to people or just leave them sitting around, then sell them as low-mileage pre-registered motors for a discount.Not a good example though as ultimately, they went bust...

[r.welfare]

It's quite standard practice for a manufacturer to "force" a dealership to take a certain number of cars in total each month, or certain models that don't sell easily (e.g. base-spec execs in undesirable colours with manual gearboxes). If you don't - well, they can either take all their toys away, or make sure you don't get a proper allocation of hot-selling models.Dealer stocking interest usually starts after 60/90 days - the theory being the dealer should have got the car well sold by then, but if they don't then it's pretty crippling.I used to love auditing car dealers - working out their volume bonuses due from the manufacturer, particularly on things like oil and parts, used to be well baffling. Plus you encountered a lot of characters.

[Pete-M]

When I was a Nissan salesman they gave me an Almera "Demonstrator" which I could have well done without. Didn't mind selling the things, but I really don't want to drive one myself.At the end of the month, my wage packet had shrunk considerably. They'd actually somehow sub-leased the bloody thing to me, and then charged me company car tax for it.I went postal. Hit the roof. Kicked off severely about it. Told them there was no way on earth I was going to lose money out of my wages in order to have use of a car I didn't need or want. They explained that they had to register so many of them in order to get a rebate from Nissan and that they got mega-discount on demonstrators. Hence me ending up with one, but that the demos had to do a certain number of miles to qualify for the discount, they'd leased it to me to save money.. Mental. I did under 600 miles in it in about 4 months. They took it back off me as it was going to be a year old before it was close to the qualifying mileage. I went back to driving the trade ins, which I preferred.

[fiatdaft]

can i but in from the dealer's point of view?as i have said before we are the cheapest in europe for a new astra ,we make £400 on a new astra, if you walked in without a p/x and asked for £1000 off you would be impolitely shown the door.a good guide for the price of your new car is the target price in what car magazine,the dealer may be around this price so expecting to get more off isn't happening.we can do delivery mileage cars for atleast a grand below that in most cases.we sell 60 cars a week still.btw that logo offer was very cheeky it books at £1500 as most if not all dealers go with the below average valuation.

[Pete-M]

  r.welfare said:

That's why the friendly local family-owned dealer has all but disappeared, due to manufacturer pressure for these out-of-town, high traffic sites. That, and the fact that the original in-town sites are often valuable real estate. A lot of dealership groups are really just property companies that happen to sell cars on the side...

Chap I know has a small main agent dealership. It costs over £15,000 a month to keep it going (pay wages, rates and bills) and it's not a big plate glass job. It's to the manufacturers minimum standard (just, the manufacturer wants him to build a bigger place) and he has a the smallest amount of staff he can. Great garage, but he has to fix and sell one hell of a lot of cars just to stay in business. He had less than three months left before he was going to have to shut up shop for good when the scrappage scheme was introduced. He reckons now he might last a year or two.

[Cavcraft]

  fiatdaft said:

can i but in from the dealer's point of view?as i have said before we are the cheapest in europe for a new astra ,we make £400 on a new astra, if you walked in without a p/x and asked for £1000 off you would be impolitely shown the door.a good guide for the price of your new car is the target price in what car magazine,the dealer may be around this price so expecting to get more off isn't happening.we can do delivery mileage cars for atleast a grand below that in most cases.we sell 60 cars a month still.btw that logo offer was very cheeky it books at £1500 as most if not all dealers go with the below average valuation.

My local Vauxhall dealer had a good offer on new Astras. Can't remember the exact deal but after the govornment scrappage thing they were still offering more off on top but this probably would have been pre-reg'd or shit spec ones or something.Fancy a three door diesel or decent spec petrol but second hane makes more sense I expect.

[r.welfare]

  fiatdaft said:

btw that logo offer was very cheeky it books at £1500 as most if not all dealers go with the below average valuation.

Thanks fiatdaft, that's a useful insight. I was going with £2k as the excellent valuation (as the car is ruddy spotless), even that is based on 40k miles rather than 27k. Your thoughts tally with the Honda dealer's offer of £1450 against a 54-plate Jazz CVT-7 that they had up at £8350!!! Bloody daylight robbery.If it was P/X'd against a new Note of course, it would be scrapped as Nissan have "kindly" extended the requirements to cars up to 2001 But a new Note Tekna 1.6 auto lists at £15.5k, so why bother when you can get a year-old one with 12k on the clock and 2 years left on the warranty for £6k less...Normally I'd just stick the Logo on eBay or Wifetrader for £2495, but as the last car I sold privately (2001/51 Skoda Fabia) was such a hassle, I can see something as obscure as this being a total ballache.

[Cavcraft]

I'd have thought that AutoTrader would be an extremely good bet for the Honda Mr Welfare.Small Japanese cars and small automatics are almost always flavour of the month. Also AT seems to attract lots of Asian buyers/sellers who love J-tin and the North West version is very good for selling that kind of car.

[r.welfare]

Could be so, squire, but I think I'd have to luck into someone doing a judicious AT search, i.e. automatic car with engine size < 1.4L. The Logo's so bloody rare (only a few thousand imported in 2000-01) that most non-Honda dealers have never heard of it when they try and value it using Glass's, so lord alone knows what the general public make of 'em Also, the last time I tried to use the AT website to sell (last July), it would only let me list a trade ad as I had sold four cars on there in the preceding 12 months, only one of 'em mine

[Cavcraft]

I'll have a look this afters on AT if you like. Currently on the Pat and bored senseless.Is there a way you could find what it Caps at by the way? It should fetch strong money at a proper auction and once it's gone, it's gone.

[r.welfare]

BCA Sure Sell is a good shout, and Blackbushe is only about 20 miles from here.Not been able to find a Cap valulation, I've been getting Glass's from the Vauxhall website.

[FredTransit]

  r.welfare said:

If it was P/X'd against a new Note of course, it would be scrapped as Nissan have "kindly" extended the requirements to cars up to 2001 But a new Note Tekna 1.6 auto lists at £15.5k, so why bother when you can get a year-old one with 12k on the clock and 2 years left on the warranty for £6k less...

I don't understand, how can Nissan change the rules on the Government's scrappage scheme? Surely if they take a car less than 10 years old it's down to them? It's a trade in, not scrappage.

[trigger]

To give you a idea on price RW, There's a Logo for sale here, X reg, 92k for £2500.

 

 

http://www.mastercarshertfordshire.co.u ... ID=4395860

[Cavcraft]

Just been told they're doing very good money on eBay and someone us trying to CAP it for you but struggling to find a price at the moment. Will let you know if I hear anymore.

[trigger]

On ebay they are listed at anything between £795 for a 120k model to £2995 for a 24k model with the only private listing that has sold went for £1845 with only 20k on the clock.

 

[AnthonyG]

  FredTransit said:

  r.welfare said:

If it was P/X'd against a new Note of course, it would be scrapped as Nissan have "kindly" extended the requirements to cars up to 2001 But a new Note Tekna 1.6 auto lists at £15.5k, so why bother when you can get a year-old one with 12k on the clock and 2 years left on the warranty for £6k less...

I don't understand, how can Nissan change the rules on the Government's scrappage scheme? Surely if they take a car less than 10 years old it's down to them? It's a trade in, not scrappage.

Nissan just call it scrappage - its just a minimum price for your part -ex promotion.IIRC the small print says the vehicle may not be scrapped, just traded on. Also think it's just on cars Nissan build in the UK - Micra, Note and Qashqai.

[Cavcraft]

From someone kind in the trade:' If it's the Base model cap has it as...Retail £2425Clean £1525Average £1375Below £1200.If it's the SE ThenAbout £125 more.. 'From which I'd interpret it as worth chucking in auction with a reserve of about £1650 and seeing what happens. If it goes below that amount the auction should you phone you with the final bid and you can accept or reject as you see fit but you'll probably cop a charge if it doesn't sell as well as one if you do of course.

[r.welfare]

Much obliged chap, I've put the old man onto the retailer with the gaggle of Notes, so we will see what kind of deal can be done.I'm not one to overhype a car but this is mintier than a minty thing. Our local MOT tester is tough (tough? Tougher than tough, he's worse than Benny Hill and that's bad enough*) and this is one of only two cars he's tested that hasn't picked up an advisory.* A virtual pint to whoever can identify the song that lyric is taken from.

[Cavcraft]

Stutter Rap?One pint of vodka please, cheers

[r.welfare]

 

[Cavcraft]

Rofl, it was like the Chuckle Brothers Vs The Beastie Boys

[Richard Cranium]

  Cavette said:

Rofl, it was like the Chuckle Brothers Vs The Beastie Boys

I remember them. The sleeve of this record had them dressed up like complete bell ends standing up in a Minor convertible. Tragic.

[Cavcraft]

  Richard Cranium said:

  Cavette said:

Rofl, it was like the Chuckle Brothers Vs The Beastie Boys

I remember them. The sleeve of this record had them dressed up like complete bell ends standing up in a Minor convertible. Tragic.

Wasn't that Madness?

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

  Cavette said:

  Richard Cranium said:

  Cavette said:

Rofl, it was like the Chuckle Brothers Vs The Beastie Boys

I remember them. The sleeve of this record had them dressed up like complete bell ends standing up in a Minor convertible. Tragic.

Wasn't that Madness?

It wasn't quite a Jaguar. Possibly their worst record ever.

[retrogeezer]

I think Tony Hawks was the man behind stutter rap. I remember him being on a comedy panel show in the 90's that was pretty funny (IIRC).

[Mr_Bo11ox]

i have only bought about 3 7" singles in my life and one of them was 'stutter rap'. Unbelievable. I too think Tony Hawks was the man behind that record.

[Cavcraft]

  The Reverend Bluejeans said:

  Cavette said:

  Richard Cranium said:

  Cavette said:

Rofl, it was like the Chuckle Brothers Vs The Beastie Boys

I remember them. The sleeve of this record had them dressed up like complete bell ends standing up in a Minor convertible. Tragic.

Wasn't that Madness?

It wasn't quite a Jaguar. Possibly their worst record ever.

Being a punk and a biker I never actually took to any of their stuff to be honest.Just had vague recollections of a picture of Madness with a Moggy convertable.

[trigger]

I thought Tony Hawks was a skateboarder...

[Guest]

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C116709/

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Only 1750 miles on the clock - yes you are not dreaming - mileage is only 1750;1275 cc ; met green; one lady owner from new;mot april 2010;rescued from scrappage deal;very clean; scratch on n/side rear; absolutely genuine; first to see will buy;no road tax. Please call to view the car.

 

5 big ones though.