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1 minute ago, keef said:

Mention of imcdb above but couldn't find this when I did a search :-

http://www.imcdb.org/vehicles_make-AC_model-Invacar.html

ah yeah, im well aware of the IMBCD, you can even find my own Model 70 on there if you know where to look :) (thats how I knew of REV before I came to own her! I remember being befuddled by her chassis number, I wrote it off as DVLA/approved repairer shenanigans back then!)

but what do you mean by "could find this" is my link broken?

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1 hour ago, Mr Pastry said:

That's interesting.  I was aware of these but have never used them - How good they are on really tight stubborn fasteners?  You could also argue that a good skill for a beginner to develop is to recognise the size and thread type from the look of the hex head, and that may not come so easily if he can just grab the nearest spanner and it fits anyway.  But of course the main point is to get the job done. 

I have found them invaluable when dealing with badly rusted nuts which are no longer anywhere near spec, undoing where a conventional socket or spanner might have just rounded it off. The negatives other than the purchase price have been 1. I've never found the open end of the spanners much use 2. the wall thickness of the sockets is quite thick although probably not thicker than cheap ones, if clearance is tight you may need to resort to buying conventional sockets of the size needed with thin walls(or attack a cheap one with an angry grinder and hope it doesn't burst).

Random factoid; Crystic is a brand name of Scott Bader who sell/make GRP stuff, who still exist.

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I'd guess it's a pre-production car given the slight difference in bumper moulding design, the placement of 'teddy ears' indicators on the rear wings and possibly the cooling vents, which I don't recall seeing before.

Stanley was based in Egham, Surrey, and Harpers was based in Devon. Harpers took over Stanley in about 1955 but I would assume most of the prototype work was undertaken at Exeter, so the one-offs, pre-production and promotional vehicles would have been registered there, whereas the full production cars would have been produced in Surrey? Pure conjecture on my part, of course, but it seems logical. Incidentally, do you know where exactly in Egham the Stanley works was located?

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3 minutes ago, somewhatfoolish said:

I have found them invaluable when dealing with badly rusted nuts which are no longer anywhere near spec, undoing where a conventional socket or spanner might have just rounded it off. The negatives other than the purchase price have been 1. I've never found the open end of the spanners much use 2. the wall thickness of the sockets is quite thick although probably not thicker than cheap ones, if clearance is tight you may need to resort to buying conventional sockets of the size needed with thin walls(or attack a cheap one with an angry grinder and hope it doesn't burst).

Ah cool good to know they work well for that sort of stuff :) , when you say the open of the spanners not being much use, do you mean they dont work well in general as a spanner or they just don't really do well at their special thing of being able to handle both imperial and metric stuff in one?

7 minutes ago, somewhatfoolish said:

Random factoid; Crystic is a brand name of Scott Bader who sell/make GRP stuff, who still exist.

oh neat :)  I hadn't come across that term/brand name until now, and was wondering what it was about 

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2 minutes ago, LightBulbFun said:

Ah cool good to know they work well for that sort of stuff :) , when you say the open of the spanners not being much use, do you mean they dont work well in general as a spanner or they just don't really do well at their special thing of being able to handle both imperial and metric stuff in one?

In the sense that they require the hex to be the 'right' size and in good condition, which is ok but compared to the functionality of the sockets and the ring end of the spanners was mildly disappointing, so I'd say the spanners are a 'nice to have' compared to the sockets being ''don't visit the scrappie without them' useful.

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11 minutes ago, barrett said:

I'd guess it's a pre-production car given the slight difference in bumper moulding design, the placement of 'teddy ears' indicators on the rear wings and possibly the cooling vents, which I don't recall seeing before.

Stanley was based in Egham, Surrey, and Harpers was based in Devon. Harpers took over Stanley in about 1955 but I would assume most of the prototype work was undertaken at Exeter, so the one-offs, pre-production and promotional vehicles would have been registered there, whereas the full production cars would have been produced in Surrey? Pure conjecture on my part, of course, but it seems logical. Incidentally, do you know where exactly in Egham the Stanley works was located?

yeah I noticed the rear vents, not seen those before I dont think, although to be honest I dont think iv seen that side of any mk6 before! at least in picture form there are very few pictures about sadly of Harpers, ill have to trawl through the British Pathe videos again and see if I can spot anything of note :) 

but good observation about the teddy ears, I overlooked that!

Yeah, I was wondering if perhaps, prototype work took place in Devon with production taking place in Surrey (but the very early Harper Mk6 you have pictured is Surrey registered so throws a spanner in that somewhat)

heres an advert that gives an address if its any use :)

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39 minutes ago, keef said:

:) 

On 2/23/2019 at 12:15 PM, LightBulbFun said:

NPN924P, AC, Date of first registration: 16 July 1976, Current status: Unknown, Current SORN, no MOT history,  notable for being one of the very few Model 70's sold privately, Date of last V5C (logbook) issued, 31 October 2011

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the amusing thing that tickles me about NPN924P (I wonder if its fitted with a Transistor radio? :mrgreen: ), is it seems to be a popular "go to" Model 70 everyone uses when they need an example of an Invalid carriage or Model 70

even in articles talking about how they were all government owned and no one could privately own one, and they where "made illegal to drive on the road" etc, and yet unknowingly they use a picture of a Private Model 70 :)

even @quicksilver did back in 2015! :) 

https://rustyoldrubbish.blogspot.com/2015/09/unsung-heroes-invacar.html

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It was never possible to buy an Invacar as they were built exclusively for the government and given to qualifying drivers by the DHSS on indefinite free-of-charge leases as part of their disability benefit.

oh how so much has changed since then! (or more accurately oh how so much has been discovered since then!)

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It's odd that there seem to be more photos of NPN in the public domain than any other Model 70, which would suggest it was quite active at one time and seen by a good few people. The irony of it being a private example would be lost on those who still insist on repeating the government-only myth, especially as it's probably because it was private that it survived!

And I really ought to publish a follow-up to correct all the misinformation in that five-year old piece. Knowing what I do now, I feel quite embarrassed to have written that they were made only for the government, but that was generally accepted as the truth back then and the discovery of the private sales came as quite a shock to me.

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35 minutes ago, quicksilver said:

It's odd that there seem to be more photos of NPN in the public domain than any other Model 70, which would suggest it was quite active at one time and seen by a good few people. The irony of it being a private example would be lost on those who still insist on repeating the government-only myth, especially as it's probably because it was private that it survived!

 

Yeah! :) 

I dont think it was particularly active anymore then any other preserved Model 70 at shows, it just happened to be the couple photos of it floating around the internet happened to be swept up as the general use photo, espically given one was uploaded to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:AC_Invalid_Carriage_1976.JPG

so when you google "invacar" or "invalid carriage" its one of the first to pop up :) (infact the 6th image along is the one from your blog! which is how I discovered your blog :)  and then so others use it especially it being specifically released into the public domain etc

im actually only aware of 4 Photos of NPN924P on the internet, (compared to who knows how many there out there of TWC now :) )  

 theres these 2 by @trigger

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this one on wikimedia 

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the above 3 all being taken at the same show AFAIK, Battlesbridge Classic Car Show 9th May 2010

 

and finally this one, taken by presumably annesley abercorn before he sold it on

 

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 (NPN924P was originally tracked down by stuart for Annesley who said he very much wanted a Model 70 but specifically a private one, as back then DHSS Cars where still a grey area back then in 2008 or so, only for Annelsy to turn around and sell it on for profit at which point stuart cut him off as Annesley already had done so earlier with JNJ135L and stuart was not going to help him find a 3rd after those 2 incidents!)

 

35 minutes ago, quicksilver said:

And I really ought to publish a follow-up to correct all the misinformation in that five-year old piece. Knowing what I do now, I feel quite embarrassed to have written that they were made only for the government, but that was generally accepted as the truth back then and the discovery of the private sales came as quite a shock to me.

Yeah I have been hoping you would do such a piece for some time now :) (I also hope @dollywobbler will do a video on correcting/myth busting everything at some point )

I very much look forward to when you do, I always very much enjoy the invalid vehicle content, im sure thats a given by now! LOL :) 

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4 hours ago, LightBulbFun said:

very interesting :) 

and speaking of interesting i noticed something interesting with the above picture, its said that in April 1957 the Harper Mk6  replaced the Harper Mk4, however the above picture shows 807BPx

 

Try 807 BPD as the registration for that Harper, as the other one was in the 'PD' range...

Here's another Thumbsnap: https://thumbsnap.com/nW7c1oAc?src=tsr

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22 minutes ago, Mrs6C said:

Try 807 BPD as the registration for that Harper, as the other one was in the 'PD' range...

sadly nothing, although the other was 108DPD, the Surrey reg markers is from PA to PL in this case so it could be any of those, I may try running it thorugh the DVLA checker, but who knows if it still shows up or not, would have had to have survived into the 1980s for it to still show up at the earliest

id love to find a Harper that still shows up on the DVLA, but I dont know of anything yet sadly, while I do know what the chassis number of a Stanley Mk7 looks like on their chassis plate, I dont know what format it would be on the DVLA sadly, so I cant search by chassis number either sadly (not until I find an example that does show up to use as my jumping off point, like I did with the Model 64's etc)

22 minutes ago, Mrs6C said:

Here's another Thumbsnap: https://thumbsnap.com/nW7c1oAc?src=tsr

ah yeah thats of Stuarts ICR website https://web.archive.org/web/20130123131135/http://invalidcarriageregister.wordpress.com:80/15-the-model-70/

see if you can spot anything unusual about that Model 70 pictured :) 

 

sadly simon decimated that website https://invalidcarriageregister.wordpress.com/

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The ICR is now managed by Simon Mckeown and this site will be updated 2017

so much for that! I dont get it, why remove all the invalid carriage info from the website, what good does that achieve?!

they have a new website http://www.invalidcarriageregister.org/ but it has none of the info of the old website sadly

*sigh* just one of the many things that frustrate and sadden me about the current management of the ICR sadly...

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3 minutes ago, Mrs6C said:

The wiper has parked to the right rather than to the left, which is unusual but not unknown...

tbh, didn't notice that until now (or if I did I forgot about it!) but it makes sense give what Model 70 that is :)

just like the Model 67 :) 

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heres a slightly higher rez photo :) not just a case of spot what's different, but if you can figure out what Model 70 this is (that in itself should be a clue! :)

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Just now, Mrs6C said:

It has a hole in the front bumper, presumably for fitment of a towing eye, which the Model 67 had but Model 70s don't?

Bingo :) Im pretty sure it actually has something poking out of it, so it does actually have the towing bar fitted, (rather then it being a left over hole or such)

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Is it one of the prototypes, in that case? I could imagine AC taking a Model 67 bodyshell as the starting point, adding in the other door and making any other 'big' visual modifications to showcase what the Model 70 would offer over the previous version, before going on to create the actual Model 70 moulds.

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1 hour ago, Mrs6C said:

Is it one of the prototypes, in that case? I could imagine AC taking a Model 67 bodyshell as the starting point, adding in the other door and making any other 'big' visual modifications to showcase what the Model 70 would offer over the previous version, before going on to create the actual Model 70 moulds.

Bingo, again :)

 although what you describe there would be more Prototype 5 from 1967, which really did look like a 2 door Model 67 Mk14, on 10 inch wheels, although to be pedantic this Model 70 Prototype predated production of the Model 67 by a couple months!

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the one pictured in my post above this one, is one of 20 user trial cars, supposedly given to users for them to test out before main production started in a years time

(although I have seen evidence they may have wanted to start production of the Model 70 sooner, but did not for some reason which may explain why there was a whole year between the trials and the the actual start of production of the Model 70)

I have talked about these User trail cars before, well in fact I sort of discovered them, stuart had heard rumblings of them, but never had any definante proof of their existence until I discovered the BPE-H Model 70 block :) 

that was a very exciting time for me! (as I had also made several other discoveries at the same time, like the registrations/blocks of the very first production AC and Invacar Model 70's, feel free to visit page 70/71 if you want to see me posting about these discoveries as they happened :) )

im not entirely sure where the user trial block starts and ends but I strongly suspect its BPE21H to BPE40H, which matches the 20  cars stuart had heard about, of those BPE22H BPE29H and BPE30H still show up on the DVLA, and amazingly BPE29H looks to have stayed in service right until the end in 2003!

I really do hope one of these user trial prototypes survive somewhere, but sadly nothing is currently known to survive, it would be amazing if one showed up some day :) 

its interesting to note that the Model 70's drivers handbook uses exclusively pictures of these User trial cars, when illustrating things and thats where the "AC Auto" picture comes from its shown inside the drivers handbook :) 

the very interesting thing is, the drivers handbook makes no mention of the tiller control option, and in the DHSS workshop manual for the Model 70, where they illustrate the different control schemes while the Handle bar and steering wheel control pictures are of user trial cars the tiller control is of a later (probably) production Model 70

note the egg shaped indents on the dashboard where the hand brake goes and the different gear shift pattern sticker on the first 2 cars, things not featured on production Model 70's

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and based on this and some other things, it very much looks like the tiller control option was added sometime after the Model 70 trial cars' perhaps added because of user feedback gained on the trials?

it makes me wonder if tiller control Model 70 users got given their own separate handbook or not? and its interesting that the handbook was never updated, im guessing they started print of them for the user trials then just kept printing them once production started 

on that note I also very much wonder what did private Model 70 owners get with their Model 70 when new because the drivers handbook quite clearly states on the front  "Department of health and social security" !

I also wonder about the Prototypes before and between Prototype 5 and the user trial cars (which I think start from Prototype 11) and if there was anything between the trial cars and the start of production, I have searched the chassis numbers and couldn't find anything sadly other the 3 BPE cars mentioned above)

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had my 29th lesson today :)

went pretty well, instructor says im doing better

and I think i'm finally getting the hang of parallel parking maneuver  (but im still quite slow at executing it!) well the actual parking bit, must remember to readjust my nearside mirror before moving off, quickly sorted that out at the next junction!

and I managed to not ask too many questions this lesson and just did what I thought was correct :) which is something iv been struggling with in these later lessons where I have still been asking too many questions making it a bit hard for my instructor to judge what I do and dont know or may need work on etc

and obviously come the test day I cant ask any questions to the examiner, so I must get used to not asking any questions!

(I ask the questions I do ask, even if I may think I know what to do regarding whatever im asking about, just to be safe etc, but I must break that habit, and know that my instructor is there to take control should I really mess something up etc! and tell me if I fluffled something up and that if he doesn't say anything that means iv done whatever i was doing correctly!)

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It might be helpful with the asking questions thing to think about seeking forgiveness rather than asking permission at this stage of your learning journey.  Very much an AS mantra anyway! I mean you can drive now, it's just about working towards putting it all together on the day.

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2 minutes ago, egg said:

It might be helpful with the asking questions thing to think about seeking forgiveness rather than asking permission at this stage of your learning journey.  Very much an AS mantra anyway! I mean you can drive now, it's just about working towards putting it all together on the day.

haha yeah thats a good way to put it!

 I think another thing behind me asking questions, is although im much more relaxed then when I first started, im still driving in London and it can still make me quite nervous at times and thats when I tend to ask the questions I have noticed

if im at a busy junction or roundabout or such, waiting to pull out, I obviously check its clear, but what if I dont see someone etc or something so ill ask if its safe to pull out etc, especially as I know I cant dawdle too long at junctions and roundabouts, undue hesitation and all that!

another one is lanes, obviously they says always keep left, but sometimes the left hand lane is a left turn only lane which you don't want to be in if your going straight ahead, so you look out for signs and road markings and such, but what do you do if the roads are busy and those are blocked/covered by other vehicles and so that's another situation I find myself asking questions at 

and you get the idea! I just have to do what I think is right...

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heres some interesting, on the whole vehicle information from the DVLA/3rd party sites front

I was scoping out how many left when I noticed in their A to Z list they have "other british" 

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which is very interesting, because I have noticed a lot of Invalid vehicles , including my own Invacar Model 70, come back as Make: "Other british makes" Model "Other" in 3rd party tools etc

I have also noticed a lot of older vehicles in general just show up as "other british" (and a few electric invalid vehicles show up as "other electric")

now this makes me wonder just how many Invacars and what have you are lurking under "other british" in how many left, it might well explain why I cant find any stanley entries despite a few surviving past 1994

 

but things get even more interesting, when, with my special tool if I look up REV451R, my Invacar by its registration number, I get all its info but its make comes back as "other british makes"

and I noticed that keeper number 3's date is missing from the keepers list, I noticed this on a lot of vehicles that the keeper dates are incomplete

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now the interesting thing is REV's chassis number on her V5 has dots in it where her actual chassis number does not have dots in it, so for example using a made up chassis number, on the vehicle its ABCD123 but on its V5 its recorded as ABC.D.123 

I have noticed a lot of usually older vehicles have dots inserted in their chassis numbers, usually between a letter and a number but sometimes randomly placed, now I wish I knew why these dots where there or how they came to be

I know as far back 1985, REV had these dots in her chassis number on the V5

but the interesting thing is, if I search for REV using her chassis number without the dots, I get REV451R my Invacar, and it even reports back the Chassis number with the dots in place suddenly, but I get a different result for vehicle make, I actually get "INVACAR" and suddenly Keeper 2's date vanishes where as keeper 3 suddenly shows up 

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its like I have schrodinger's Invacar LOL it exists simultaneously in 2 "states" at once...

the interesting thing is this only seems to "work" with vehicles that have been "active" for a long time, take for example @Mrs6C's AC Model 70, I know also has a dot in its chassis number on the V5 for some reason, however if I search for its chassis number without the dot, I just get no result

but take for example LPL837P which has been SORN for a long time, for example, which interestingly shows up as just "AC" on the DVLA checker but on my tool, when I search for it either by its Reg number or its chassis number weird dot and all I get AC (ELECTRIC)

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but search for it without the weird dot I just get "AC" as it is recorded on the DVLA checker

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(however I have not seen the V5 for this Model 70 so I dont know if on the V5 it has the weird dot or not)

so Yeah I wonder what the whole dots thing is about, and I also wonder how many vehicles show up in statistics like how many left, twice/in 2 places at once, or such like because of all of this?

 

(the dots are also very annoying when it comes to searching for vehicles by chassis number as, as who knows if it has a Dot in a weird place or not and has caused me to miss vehicles for sure, for example UTW339R the 28th Private Model 70, I missed that one initially when searching for Private Invacar Model 70's as its chassis number had a dot in it meaning it did not show up when I searched for it initially, only when I ran its reg number for other reasons, did I find out about its dot and it being a private Model 70)

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also during all this I accidently discovered another Q Reg Model 70 as you do...

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the really amusing thing is, this ones real registration going by its chassis number is MPH758P... you couldn't make this shit up! LOL

although I do know a while back Brian did try and fix Q231PVL aka MPH759P on his own but the DVLA was having none of it, I wonder if he accidently spawned Q495YAR, by getting his chassis number wrong by a digit or something? although brian did not know of His Model 70's chassis number until I told him/ @busmansholiday where to look, for it so perhaps this really is MPH758P!

I have asked him if Q945YAR means anything to him

also interesting to see "AC 70", again I do wonder if its again people not realising that "Model" is part of its of the vehicles name, ie so when they fill out a form they put Model: 70 where as they are supposed to put, Model: Model 70 if that makes sense!

also I find it rather ironic that it got an "AR" registration when its an AC Model 70...

(its got its body type down as Invalid vehicle, which it should be, but combined with the lack of a year of Mfg etc I suspect thats caused it to have been registered as as a Used mobility scooter hence the Q reg etc)

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thinking more about MPH758P/Q495YAR, 

I know that MPH758P according to info from Stuart is/was supposedly owned by Motability in, Harlow Essex which would explain the "AR" Chelmsford registration and perhaps why it was registried like a Mobility scooter,

more than likely someone there didn't know what they where doing when they discovered this Model 70 sitting among rows of Mobility scooters probably!

(and checking registrations around Q495YAR shows other mobility scooters that im guessing where registered by motability around the same time?) 

 

 

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A lot of the missing/incorrect models are down to whoever registered them not knowing enough about or mis-spelling typing.

A similar problem is/was happening recently when MOT' stations seem to pull down Rover as the make for Austins e.g. Maxis, which causes amusement and no doubt confuses some of the statistics.

ORK965W ROVER MAXI on MOT checker, but 

Registration number
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Make     AUSTIN MORRIS on tax checker. ;)
 
Quite how this affects things, I don't know. Is it counted twice, once as a Rover and once as an Austin Morris?

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17 minutes ago, keef said:

A lot of the missing/incorrect models are down to whoever registered them not knowing enough about or mis-spelling typing.

A similar problem is/was happening recently when MOT' stations seem to pull down Rover as the make for Austins e.g. Maxis, which causes amusement and no doubt confuses some of the statistics.

ORK965W ROVER MAXI on MOT checker, but 
Registration number
ORK 965W
Make     AUSTIN MORRIS on tax checker. 

Quite how this affects things, I don't know. Is it counted twice, once as a Rover and once as an Austin Morris?

(fixed that for you jeez thats a mess LOL)

but yeah I wonder about the ROVER thing as well, but I think thats its own thing to do with the MOT checker, seperate from the whole random Dots thing

your maxi still shows up as an Austin on my tool

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I have noticed other vehicles show up as one thing on the DVLA checker but as something else on the MOT checker as well, for example TTW906R

which shows up as "INVACAR" as one would expect on the DVLA checker, but shows up as "AC THUNDERSL INVACAR" on the MOT checker LOL

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or TJN352R which comes back as "THUNDERSLEY INVICAR" LOL on the MOT checker

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or JBY503J (ex LVX250J) which comes back as INVACAR 12E, and this one is especially interesting, as i have actually seen the V5 for this Invacar, and nowhere on it does it say "12E" under Model LOL (although it is an Invacar Mk12E)

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despite it being recorded such online

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I do wonder if the MOT man has any power over what the MOT checker says for make/model or does it automatically grab it from the registration/DVLA info ? (perhaps the above discrepancies are from MOT men typing things in wrong etc)

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Dots, dashes, slashes and spaces shouldn't really be counted in chassis number searches as different people input different charecters. It gets even worse with engine numbers as most of the time prefixes or suffixes weren't entered and they can tell you a lot about a car and it's engine.

Take one model of A40 for example. Chassis number for a 1098cc saloon should be AA2S9 xxxxxx and engine number 10DUH xxxxxx

Often seen as A-A2S9 or even AA/259 (note the S for saloon being entered as a 5).

Engine numbers can have any number of dashes or spaces etc. e.g. 10-D-UH xxxxxx

It really needs some standardization, but obviously older vehicles aren't going to be included.

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      2009 Peugeot 107 Verve.

      Now getting the photos together has taken me far longer than I'd expected...so you're gonna get a couple of photos of each car for now, and I'll come back with some more information tomorrow when I've got a bit more time...

      Firstly...The Lada. Before anyone asks - in response to the single question I get asked about this car: No, it is not for sale. Took me 13 years and my father's inheritance to find the thing.


      Yes, it's got the usual rusty wings...Hoping that will be resolved in the next couple of months.

       






      Next, a proper old Saab. One of the very last 8 valve cars apparently, and all the better for it. I've driven two 16v autos and they were horrible - the auto box works sooooo much better with the torque curve of the 8 valve engine. Just wish it had an overdrive for motorway cruising...









      Next up a *real* Skoda...back when they put the engine where it belongs, right out the back. In the best possible colour of course...eye-searingly bright orange.







      Seat covers have been added since that photo was taken as it suffers from the usual rotting seat cloth problem that affects virtually all Estelles.

      Then we have possibly the world's scruffiest Sinclair C5...



      Realised when looking for this that I really need to get some more photos of the thing...I use it often enough after all! We have a dog who's half husky, so this is a really good way of getting him some exercise.

      Finally - again, I really need to take more photos of - we have the little Pug 107.



      Included for the sake of variety even if it's a bit mainstream! First (and probably to be the only) new car I've bought, and has been a cracking little motor and has asked for very little in return for putting up with nearly three years of Oxford-Milton Keynes commuter traffic, before finally escaping that fate when my housemate moved to a new job. Now it doesn't do many miles and is my default car for "when I've managed to break everything else."

      I'll fill in some more details tomorrow - I warn you though that I do tend to ramble...
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