LATIN MONEYPIT Thema dreamer

[HMC]

I often see stuff for sale that's in the UK but not uk registered; its got to affect a lot of cars. For instance......

*other money pits are available

 

The issue is- in quite a few cases a NOVA (notification of vehicle arrival) hasn't been done. This might be (in my mind legitimate) the car was brought over and the original intention was for it to return, but the owners plans changed- or maybe the vehicle movement predated NOVA. It doesn't seem clear what you are supposed to do. In theory you are supposed to declare (with some sort of evidence like a ferry ticket) when it arrived. If that was some while ago there's a fine (per day) that could be applied.

 

It seems a bit of a muddle as presenting the situation on the NOVA (in the instance of that Iancia) oh yes apparently it came to the uk 13 years ago, no I have no evidence and yes can I have a huge fine please even though I wasn't the owner at the time.

 

It just seems that such uk resident overseas registered cars are caught an an impossible red tape situation- unless someone with more nous than me can explain a legitimate way around it?

[Captain Furious]

Habe no idea what the answer to your question is, but did snigger at the other money pits part

[HMC]

I've heard of people going out to Calais on a ferry and back but it just seems comically stupid (and dishonest) to satisfy the red tape.

[Junkman]

Call 03000 583020 and ask.

[HMC]

Thanks junkman. I just did. I was told do a paper NOVA and send in a covering letter explaining the circumstances and there should be no trouble.

 

There was a fiat 126 locally that was in a similar situation that I avoided going to look at for this sort of reason- and I know of other shiters that moved cars on because of the perception that this would be an issue.

[Junkman]

Thanks junkman. I just did. I was told do a paper NOVA and send in a covering letter explaining the circumstances and there should be no trouble.

 

Actually that's what I thought, since a legal system in which you can be punished for someone else's wrongdoings

hasn't existed since the age of the enlightenment. Not outside Austria, at least.

[Dave_Q]

The NOVA form has a bit about when you bought it here etc, but it also has a bit along the lines of "if you didn't originally intend to permanently import it but changed your intentions later, put the date of change of intention here"

 

I guess for a new buyer of something already in the country, the date of change of intention is when you bought it.

 

I assume they treat the date of purchase as the date of importation for the new buyer, and if said heap is from the EU, no tax due everyone's happy.

[HMC]

The flip side it how can the fine thing be enforced? Having a covering letter stating you were not the person who brought the car in undermines the system they have in place. Oh well at least we know there's one reason less not buy something not uk registered

[Junkman]

Well then GIB, ffs!

[Tadhg Tiogar]

The flip side it how can the fine thing be enforced? ....

 

If you're stopped by the police, they can seize your vehicle. However, as I often see, they're really not that bothered about people running round on foreign plates, and particularly not UK cars that have been re-registered on foreign plates to evade certain things.....

[Junkman]

Yeah, you'll have that kind of shit as long as there are countries.

I bet there are more important things to worry about.

[hpi_matrix]

How long are foreign cars allowed to be here without registering? There's a fairly new Mazda 3 near me that has worn Bulgarian plates for the last 2-3 years.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Yeah, you'll have that kind of shit as long as there are countries.

I bet there are more important things to worry about.

 

I mean, why bother with laws?

 

How long are foreign cars allowed to be here without registering? There's a fairly new Mazda 3 near me that has worn Bulgarian plates for the last 2-3 years.

 

See above link to download. The fact is, the Eastern Europeans can't afford / don't want to pay VED MoT and UK insurance, so whilst they are normally resident in the UK they pick up a nice RHD car, then register on their home country's plates (RO / BG / H and PL are particularly popular). The car in reality remains on UK roads. It's completely illegal, but hardly ever enforced. Insurance cover - such as it is over there - may be inadequate if you are involved in an incident with them.

[AMC Rebel]

If you're stopped by the police, they can seize your vehicle. However, as I often see, they're really not that bothered about people running round on foreign plates, and particularly not UK cars that have been re-registered on foreign plates to evade certain things.....

They don't seem to be bothered about anything much around here.

[AMC Rebel]

How long are foreign cars allowed to be here without registering? There's a fairly new Mazda 3 near me that has worn Bulgarian plates for the last 2-3 years.

 

I used to see a woman dropping off her daughter at my daughter's school - she was driving a newish LHD Range Rover on Italian plates for at least 4 years - heck of a commute and I bet they didn't even live in the catchment

[hpi_matrix]

 

[panhard65]

They are pretty easy going with the NOVA system. I brought some bikes over and when doing the NOVA it asked for the date of manufacture which I didn't have at the time. I rang them up and they weren't too worried as long as I started the application. I have done quite a few now and never been asked for a ferry ticket or any proof when it arrived. I even got pulled by customs with one car when they first introduced the NOVA system and even the customs guy didn't say a word about it

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Yo Tadghg, I'm guessing cars with east European number plates are a sore point with you as you never miss a chance to have a moan about them and make wild assumptions about their legality.

[Tadhg Tiogar]

Yo Tadghg, I'm guessing cars with east European number plates are a sore point with you as you never miss a chance to have a moan about them and make wild assumptions about their legality.

They are a very sore point. Those "assumptions" certainly aren't wild, not down here. Maybe you think the laws should not apply to them? And if so, why bother having laws. Why not just have a free-for-all, and hang the consequences?

[cort1977]

So in summary, fill in the form, explain the circumstances and DVLA are quite reasonable? 

 

I look forward to seeing the collection fred for this, it looks a festering money pit cracker!

[sierraman]

Rotherham is full of foreign plated cars living there long term, avoids parking fines as well.

[cort1977]

They are a very sore point. Those "assumptions" certainly aren't wild, not down here. Maybe you think the laws should not apply to them? And if so, why bother having laws. Why not just have a free-for-all, and hang the consequences?

 

Well, do you have any evidence of this? Otherwise it is pure assumption isn't it?  I think we all agree that there should be laws but many of us also think that the principle of innocent until proven guilty should apply.

 

My mother's family and my in-laws are Irish and weren't always treated that well in England because people made sweeping assumptions about immigrants.  Perhaps we should be careful about referring to 'them' and 'us'.

[Captain Furious]

The principle of innocent until proven guilty should definitely apply

 

It doesn’t, not even to UK drivers, but it should

[Tadhg Tiogar]

The principle of innocent until proven guilty should definitely apply

 

It doesn’t, not even to UK drivers, but it should

Everything has consequences

[Junkman]

why bother having laws. Why not just have a free-for-all, and hang the consequences?

 

Why indeed? Anyone who wants to violate the laws does so as he pleases anyway.

 

 

Rotherham is full of foreign plated cars living there long term, avoids parking fines as well.

 

I have seen the odd domestic plated cars in Rotherham, too.

I doubt they are living there long term, though, no Brit would.

 

 

My mother's family and my in-laws are Irish and weren't always treated that well in England because people made sweeping assumptions about immigrants.  Perhaps we should be careful about referring to 'them' and 'us'.

 

The British making sweeping assumptions about immigrants?

Now there's something that's never been heard of.

 

 

It'll all be fine after Brexit.

[Dave_Q]

Fuck sake lads, the thread is about a festering Ferrari engined Lancia Thema, that is absolute solid beige nailed on SHITE. 

 

Can we please concentrate on bullying/enabling HMC to do a live collection thread rather than this daily mail shiz?

 

TA.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

If you think a crime is being committed Tahdgf, then it's a matter for the police or whatever innit.

 

If however it's just that you have assumed that all east European plated cars are illegal and that their owners don't have enough money to be able to fulfil their legal obligations, well thats your problem (i.e. Dailymailism).

[Zantimisfit]

There's also the issue of breaking the law in the country you import from. I'm looking at bringing something back from here to the UK, so, if I am going to play by the rules, I have to get it on temporary Swedish export plates which have a one month expiry.

[cort1977]

One of those MR2 Ferrari replicas would do nicely...

[somewhatfoolish]

In my imaginary garage, I would take the engine+box and find the most hilarious car to plonk it into.  Probably something which would piss off Ferrari purists.

Beetle-based Lamborghini replica? The only Pontiac Fiero left in the world that hasn't been wobbed up to look not much like a 308GTB?