Mileage discrepancy - haircut?

[Sheefag]

A fucking this century 1400 quid diesel Passat?

Seriously?

Jeezerz fucking Chroist, I wish this world wouldn't fucking exist.

 

Do I really have to mention '1986' to you woefully dismal losers void of any balls?

 

No child left behind applies.

 

And to make myself perfectly clear here, I'd rather kill relatives and set a fucking caravan on fire

before I put myself through the ordeal to drive a fucking diesel a bloody yard.

No, makes this an inch.

 

Get a fucking life, for God's sake.

 

And a 1959 Morris Oxford, I'm begging you, please.

 

Jeezerz shat. Seriously.

 

This thread can be closed.

It should have been before it was opened.

 

Prepare for some very mixed emotions, Mon Brave......

 

https://www.gumtree.com/p/other-cars/1968-morris-oxford-reduced-classic-very-rare-diesel/1205940598

 

1968 MORRIS OXFORD **REDUCED** Classic very rare DIESEL Craven Arms, Shropshire £1,600.00   SPECIAL PRICE FOR THE NEW YEAR (20% off )

I have decided that I would like to sell my Oxford. It is a DIESEL , with a Gold Seal engine. I am told it was originally a DIESEL and that is what is on the V5. Less than 1% of the Oxfords sold were DIESEL mainly for the London taxi market. They are certainly not “racers”.

The clock shows about 43797 miles which matches with the old MOT. It has been seriously under-sealed and is solid below. The sills are replacements. The body is also solid. It has had a paint job done and in a couple of places there are spots of rust showing but nothing serious. The chrome is faded. The interior is all there but looking its 50 years of use. The windows rattle and a door handle sometimes sticks. All problems but all truly minor

I have had it for 6 months and apart from a few service jobs have hardly used it. I don't see that changing so will sell her. Previously she was owned since the early 90s by someone who used it daily, but only to and from work. That more or less describes the car. It is old and it works, the pictures show the snags as well as the shine.

Unrestored is one way of putting it, possibly a "rolling restoration" or just a car to drive.

 

 

[Squire_Dawson]

Agreed. I've spent the last day trying to convince stupid sister #1 not to buy a diesel for her first car. "But my friend told me to buy a diesel, great economy etc".

 

Why is it that family will always listen to strangers/acquaintances but never their own family?

[Angrydicky]

It's frustrating. I understand she doesn't want a proper old motor as she wants a bit of comfort and reliability, but when I suggested she get a Rover 600 as they are bulletproof, and worthless because they are so unfashionable, she said "No, they're old man's cars". Which they are, hence I bet insurance would be a lot cheaper than any of the usual teenager-friendly hatchbacks. She worries too much about what her friends think. I was tooling around in an Austin A35 at her age and felt like a hero. 

[jonathan_dyane]

Why is it that family will always listen to strangers/acquaintances but never their own family?

Because its their acquaintances/strangers they want to impress

[stripped fred]

It's frustrating. I understand she doesn't want a proper old motor as she wants a bit of comfort and reliability, but when I suggested she get a Rover 600 as they are bulletproof, and worthless because they are so unfashionable, she said "No, they're old man's cars".

She's right though. I would be happy to tool around in a Rover 600 but I know plenty of people who wouldn't.

 

A friend of mine asked for my advice on buying a 5 year old car, reliability, space and cheap running costs being the major criteria. I suggested a petrol Hyundai or Kia but she went for a diesel megane. It's been faultless and returns 60mpg all day long. I'll keep quite next time, unless it has a major ftp within the next year or two.

[rantingYoof]

A friend of mine asked for my advice on buying a 5 year old car, reliability, space and cheap running costs being the major criteria. I suggested a petrol Hyundai or Kia but she went for a diesel megane. It's been faultless and returns 60mpg all day long. I'll keep quite next time, unless it has a major ftp within the next year or two.

 

This is the flip side really of being on various internet spaces where you always hear about the 'bad' examples and the complaining (most justified) about the perceived weak points of various marques and engines.

 

I could advise people I know until I'm blue in the face against buying a five or ten year old diesel for doing a four mile commute in and recommend something far more suitable but they will ignore it, and the horrendous thing they do buy which I visibly recoil in horror at when they tell me will then be the most dependable and reliable motor ever.

 

As an example, someone at work had a 2004 1.6 Astra, which they'd had from near new. It was superb at being 'an car' and nothing more or less, costing them pennies over the length of ownership, although by the time they spoke to me it was beginning to get tired. As they only potter to work and back and barely did 10k a year, and had been running a moderately frugal petrol for all that time, I was convinced they were the sort to literally trade it in and come out with a brand new 1.6 Astra. As they had a tepid interest in cars, they may have even expanded horizons a bit and gone for something more left of field.

 

They bought a 2010 VW Golf 1.6TDi. 'This should go on forever,' they enthused, 'it only has 20 thousand on the clock.'

 

 

Unfortunately, I'm stupid enough to believe that that if I were to do the exact same thing the car would FTP in every expensive way I know it can do within four months of ownership.

 

It's rather peculiar; obviously I don't want to wish poor car reliability on anyone I know, really, but similarly I don't want to appear like I don't know what I'm talking about when it's the rather rare occasion I do feel like I have an opinion worth listening to.

 

Financially and/or mathematically, it makes zero sense to buy a second, third or fourth-hand diesel to do 5k per year in, but no amount of persuasive but complex money talk has yet defeated the much simpler impression most have that that diesel = cheap to run, and this impression is reinforced when they inevitably look at their onboard computer and see '50mpg', even if they need to get 50mpg for four years of completely trouble-free ownership just to claim back the difference in purchase price between whatever they bought and the petrol variant which is inevitably much cheaper. Particarly, if nothing diesel-specific goes wrong at all, they're left thinking 'how am I not saving money?', which is a completely fair impression to get from seeing '50mpg' on the dashboard.

 

I think a much healthier way of combating this, rather than writing lengthy posts on an internet forum at gone 1am on Boxing Day,  is to continue driving my turbocharged petrol powered Swede-barge, and seek out other equally thirsty barges going forwards with a hope that someone notices and thinks 'hey, if he's running a turbocharged nutter-barge as his commute and work daily then maybe I don't have to take my budget out into the wide world of cars and come back with a copy/paste diesel box'.

[SiC]

 

They bought a 2010 VW Golf 1.6TDi. 'This should go on forever,' they enthused, 'it only has 20 thousand on the clock.'

 

Unfortunately, I'm stupid enough to believe that that if I were to do the exact same thing the car would FTP in every expensive way I know it can do within four months of ownership.

 

I'm currently running an A4 diesel of a same vintage on a 12 mile roundtrip daily all on city streets to work over winter. It's even had the emissions fix that's supposed to killing the engines. Despite it having 165k on the clock, on its original DPF and not always getting up to temperature, it seems to regenerate itself ok and hasn't thrown on the warning light for its DPF yet.

 

Not to say that others won't have problems doing this and I was really expecting to, but I haven't yet. I suspect that Bosch/VAG/others have tweaked the regeneration program to allow it to run in more scenarios.

[SierraMikeHotel]

Lengthy rant.

 

I think I've figured out why this happens.

 

I agree with what you say - especially after making the same mistake and buying a 10 year old Volvo V50 diesel which turned out to be a hideous money-pit - but most of the motoring press is aimed at new cars and, by extension, the fleet market.

 

My wife gets a company car and my advice to her would be to get a diesel (right now) with the caveat that you'll probably regret it during the time you have the car as city-centre bans and big taxes start coming in.  With that in mind, I recommended a hybrid.

 

I'd never buy a hybrid, new or second-hand, with my own money but they make perfect sense as a company car because they pay for it and you get the benefit.

 

Are these people reading magazines and websites aimed at new purchases and applying them to second-hand buys?

[jonathan_dyane]

This is the flip side really of being on various internet spaces where you always hear about the 'bad' examples and the complaining (most justified) about the perceived weak points of various marques and engines.

 

I could advise people I know until I'm blue in the face against buying a five or ten year old diesel for doing a four mile commute in and recommend something far more suitable but they will ignore it, and the horrendous thing they do buy which I visibly recoil in horror at when they tell me will then be the most dependable and reliable motor ever.

 

As an example, someone at work had a 2004 1.6 Astra, which they'd had from near new. It was superb at being 'an car' and nothing more or less, costing them pennies over the length of ownership, although by the time they spoke to me it was beginning to get tired. As they only potter to work and back and barely did 10k a year, and had been running a moderately frugal petrol for all that time, I was convinced they were the sort to literally trade it in and come out with a brand new 1.6 Astra. As they had a tepid interest in cars, they may have even expanded horizons a bit and gone for something more left of field.

 

They bought a 2010 VW Golf 1.6TDi. 'This should go on forever,' they enthused, 'it only has 20 thousand on the clock.'

 

 

Unfortunately, I'm stupid enough to believe that that if I were to do the exact same thing the car would FTP in every expensive way I know it can do within four months of ownership.

 

It's rather peculiar; obviously I don't want to wish poor car reliability on anyone I know, really, but similarly I don't want to appear like I don't know what I'm talking about when it's the rather rare occasion I do feel like I have an opinion worth listening to.

 

Financially and/or mathematically, it makes zero sense to buy a second, third or fourth-hand diesel to do 5k per year in, but no amount of persuasive but complex money talk has yet defeated the much simpler impression most have that that diesel = cheap to run, and this impression is reinforced when they inevitably look at their onboard computer and see '50mpg', even if they need to get 50mpg for four years of completely trouble-free ownership just to claim back the difference in purchase price between whatever they bought and the petrol variant which is inevitably much cheaper. Particarly, if nothing diesel-specific goes wrong at all, they're left thinking 'how am I not saving money?', which is a completely fair impression to get from seeing '50mpg' on the dashboard.

 

I think a much healthier way of combating this, rather than writing lengthy posts on an internet forum at gone 1am on Boxing Day, is to continue driving my turbocharged petrol powered Swede-barge, and seek out other equally thirsty barges going forwards with a hope that someone notices and thinks 'hey, if he's running a turbocharged nutter-barge as his commute and work daily then maybe I don't have to take my budget out into the wide world of cars and come back with a copy/paste diesel box'.

I don't bother advise anybody on anything, why would they be interested? I've got what they regard as an old nail and they want something that impresses their neighbours. It does however amuse me when people cite how much money they will save on cheap tax and mpg on their new diesel when they have spent many thousands to save at best £500/yr.