stormee Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Leboncoin. Nord Pas de Calais. Twingo. Voitures. . > 1997. >750. 41 cars today. Many of those close to Calais. Take the offers of help, get it drive able, enjoy the summer. Make it lovely later. Or go get another. Plenty to choose from.Same here in germanland, Twingo galore avec TÜV around 500-700€ + some coins for Export-plate. Pick yours. RichardK, garethj and holbeck 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 When I did the Rover's HG I pulled off the old HG, cleaned up the surfaces, made sure the head was flat, and stuck it all back together again. I'd say you're on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 Same here in germanland, Twingo galore avec TÜV around 500-700€ + some coins for Export-plate. Pick yours. Yellow, OHV, not rusty, with a full-length ragtop please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Q Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Have a look at the back of the valves, if they're not oily then no need to change the valve seals. Best thing to clean up the head + block is to try and get a block of metal or something and wrap a sheet of wet'n'dry paper around it - you can then clean the faces up whilst making sure they stay flat for good sealing. Clean - reassemble - enjoy. John F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Q Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 PS - good effort in getting it that stripped that quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 How to clean the crap from around the engine? I have an air blaster (and worried I'd blasted oxidised shit into the ports, and parts washers - one big enough to immerse the head in, but it needs a lot of fluid to do that. I've got to get a new thermostat, the old one's gasket had split and it's gummed up - there's gunk down one side of the radiator. Not expensive, will order now. And I feel like spraying a lot of parts washer fluid around the block, then dropping the sump, cleaning it and repainting it once the head and thus, engine mount are reinstated. Exhaust manifold came off in two songs and an advert on Absolute '80s. All the studs came out so I've decided to buy a pack of all the studs and nuts if I can find one. Jim Bell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Clean the worst of the crap off. Then get a steel rule and use it 'edge on' on the face of the head to check it's flat. If there's any doubt then take it to an engine recon place and get them to check. I wouldn't bother with the valve guides unless it burnt oil and was smokey before, unless you end up having to do the head to get it skimmed.It's normal to use a gasket scraper, which is a blunt scraper, to get any old material off the head. If you have to 'sand' it them only use fine wet and dry wrapped around something flat, avoid localized pressure!It'll be fine though. Obviously the more effort you put in to it the better the chances of success but these have been fixed successfully by people with far less common sense and resources than you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormee Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Yellow, OHV, not rusty, with a full-length ragtop please.Had a 1995 one in sunny yellow (not lemon) with said canvas roof. Quite cute but the driving position is weird! They are nice cars, Europe is full of them for a reason. I'd prefer a FIVE/5/Cinque/LeCar over a Twingo, though. And I know both cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel bickle Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I have one now, early yellow with full length roof, sitting on yellow turbovecs.It's cute, fun, depreciation free and economical- but for some reason I prefer my green hardtop. Pleased to see progress being made Richard. Much cheaper/ simpler than an engine change. Few weeks from now, you'll be wondering what all the fuss was about! garethj, RichardK, The Moog and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 I have one now, early yellow with full length roof, sitting on yellow turbovecs.It's cute, fun, depreciation free and economical- but for some reason I prefer my green hardtop. Pleased to see progress being made Richard. Much cheaper/ simpler than an engine change. Few weeks from now, you'll be wondering what all the fuss was about! Pictures please I think I will be very happy with the glass roof on mine, but not so fond of the insipid colour. Even so if the engine repair works and it hits the road again I'll be paying £200 to have the driver's door repainted where the topcoat has come off in a weird way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 It would have been simpler than an engine change if I'd left it at just doing the head, but I have a lot to reinstall now! Annoyingly I reckon I'd have been quite comfortable with the engine change. All that crap around the heatshield/rocker cover seems so pointlessly complex though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel bickle Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 I dont tend to take a lot of pics- cos they are still just working tools in my household, so heres' the original sales ad photos Gobby:- Currently residing in France, standard save for yellow turbovecs.. And Snotty- now Uk naturalised grenn mk1 -rear.htm Dick Longbridge, chaseracer, Aston Martin and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 Yep. Yellow with grey bumpers. Perfect. Shall see how I get one with mine, then consider selling and buying one in Europe. I bet they stopped doing yellow around the time of the phase 2 body improvements, just to be annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel bickle Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Yellow seems to be a bit rarer, but it's the only colour my wife will drive. I found this one ( thru obv) on the outskirts of Lille, 350 euros cos it was out of ticket, had a tug by the local rozzers, needed the standard welding etc.I just drove to Ashford, jumped on Eurostar to Lille, drove it back to Ashford via the tunnel& A framed it home.Door back to door in 8 hours, from memory. It was going to be used in the Uk but Snotty fills that role so its gone back to Belgium with a ( wasted) uk mot. Green one is 93, yellow 94 , both ohv base models, but plenty fun nevertheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel bickle Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 Coincidentally, there's a yellow one in Dunkirk .( Grand Synthe- which is actually closer to the Dunkirk ferry, than Dunkirk) for 200 euros! For parts obviously, cos it'll have the standard rust- but as John F will confirm, that's no deal breaker. 200! If I wasn't bed bound, I'd be all over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 19, 2017 Author Share Posted August 19, 2017 I'd probably be aiming to spend £2K if I sold mine in search of a yellow, which I'd hope would get one that has by luck or otherwise, avoided rust. Mine's not rust anywhere as far as I can tell! Have had a go at cleaning the cylinder head a bit, pondering if it's worth trying to dislodge the carbon deposits off the valves and top of the pistons. It all looks very clean and straight, gently cleaned the head (still a bit messy looking but feels smooth). Now waiting for the new waterpump/timing belt kit. When they arrive, the engine will go back together. Reassembly is reversal etc. Feeling moderately concerned that the gasket has the same red sealer as the one that failed and hoping it's not a crappy gasket. 200 is insane. These cars are 25 years old now? And so unusual, and IMO last of the really efficient 5-seater city cars (though I suspect a rear engine Twingo would appeal to me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 So, either I have some damage due to the HGF, or I've found why the HGF was there... That looks like there's a shallow pit between the bores. The metal sealing rings aren't gonna fill that very effectively. My current thinking is "this is why I wanted the NOS engine, to avoid this sort of thing", and "Clean up as much as possible, JB Weld, carefully sand down. Y/N? Coprolalia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo3002 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 doesnt look mega bad....hold a steel ruler against it and can you see under it , helps if you hold a torch one side jb weld wont fix it if its not level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel bickle Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 As above. Steel rule and torch pleez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo3002 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 ruler in several places too ....it only seals on the last few mm of the edge of the bore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 Very gingerly cleaned with the little brass wire wheel in the dremel kit. VERY carefully. Steel rule suggests it should be fine. I almost wonder if this is actually build up (you can feel it with a fingernail) rather than pitted and is residue from the old metal part of the gasket. And yes, I am going to vacuum out the bores and channels, I'm not thick Steve79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 And it does look like all the pistons have carbon build up in that location. It corresponds with plug placement. (Cleaning valves is being pondered - this seems to be getting further away from the "if it ain't broke just throw it back together" philosophy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 STEEL RULE! Ben Do you see the bit where I say "steel rule suggests it should be fine", thus implying that I've been out there with a steel rule and attempted to shine a torch and wiggle a tiny feeler gauge under said rule? The more I look at this the more I'm baffled that the head gasket I removed had very clear red lines on the top part, but no evidence of them at all on the bottom. I wonder if the car was made with a faulty gasket. There's no indication in the history of it having been replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Do you see the bit where I say "steel rule suggests it should be fine", thus implying that I've been out there with a steel rule and attempted to shine a torch and wiggle a tiny feeler gauge under said rule?Going by the less than 1 minute difference in between his post as yours, it's unlikely he did... mat_the_cat and RichardK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reverend Bluejeans Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I notice the Big Bad Benz is not on your list of vee-hic-uls. Has it departed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 I notice the Big Bad Benz is not on your list of vee-hic-uls. Has it departed? Yes. It's been replaced by a smaller and much worse Benz, but since getting the fleet to a more manageable size (physically as well as numerically) has let me get a lot of my life back on track, I think it was the right choice. The Reverend Bluejeans and garethj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo3002 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 does look like a build up...sand it with some 180 until its all steel colour RichardK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardK Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 Sorry, posted before that. But the steel rule should show clearly whether it is low or high at that point, yet you still seem unsure? Ben Yeah, I was unsure when Steve suggested the steel rule and torch bit, and nigel suggested the steel rule, and a third person shouting steel rule just seemed, well, kinda redundant, particularly after I'd been in the garage, applied the steel rule and torch and found the results inconclusive because I can feel something with my fingernail, but can't get the tiniest feeler gauge in it or see a torch through it (and yes, the rule is flat across the bit, not lifted by it). Any remaining uncertainty is merely a natural state of life remaining due to questioning the very nature of perception itself, the validity of the movement of these molecules and the apparent meaning our alleged consciousness chooses to attach to it, and whether or not this lake I've been jumping into pretending to be a lemon really does believe that it's a gin & tonic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo3002 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 the block still needs further cleaning imo ....sand by had 180 /240 until its shiney steel colour all over , stuff some paper towel in any oil holes and try to keep it clean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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