Good news! The scrappage scheme is dead in the water....

[Futuramic]

I have just been reading through the financial smallprint of the scrappage scheme and have discovered some interesting caveats. Firstly to those gaily declaring "I'm going to buy a cheapo banger for the sole purpose of taking advantage of the scheme"; well you can't. For a car to be eligible it has to be MOTd (anyone who scraps a car with a year's test needs sectioning) and roadworthy AND you have to have owned it for more than a year.The scheme ends next March at the latest so even if you bought an old car and mothballed it, you still won't be eligible.Secondly the scheme only applies to absolutely new vehicles. Those with delivery milage or returned pre-orders won't be eligible. The scrappage scheme will appeal most to those at the bottom end of the new car market; and these people tend to buy delivery milage carse as they offer a massive saving for little difference.Finally for someone like myself with a worthless middle market executive car the scheme makes no sense at all. I can't afford (without a loan) to buy a brand new Volvo, BMW or Mercedes. I won't trade down to something I can, such as a Hyundai Getz, because it is objectively a worse vehicle in every way. It is just newer, that is all. I won't give up the massive advantages of a big car in terms of practicality and comfort. I won't give up the performance of a big engine and I absolutely will not relinquish rear wheel drive.Think about where the old cars hang around. Council estate hard men will not, en-masse, scrap their Omegas, 525s and 300Es. These cars exude an air of menace, affordably, that a Daewoo Matiz does not.The old money are hardly going to chop in their 3.9 Vogues and 900 turbos because they never spend money anyway.Poor families, in hard times and with rising redundancies, can't afford to chop in old Zafiras and Scenics for the sake of chopping them in.Who is going to scrap a car? I'd like to know...

[Mr_Bo11ox]

The guardian 'money' section this weekend had an article in about the scrappage scheme saying exactly what you've just said. I'm not losing any sleep over it!

[pompei]

Yeah, that fella with the 15 year old Volvo was hardly tempted by a £2,000 sweetener to buy a £25,000 new vehicle ... Pah

[Vin]

But you must remember that according to the car dealers, this is what the public want and are demanding

[Guest]

I think the funniest rule of all is that the cars must not only be new, but they have to be registered from mid-May onwards. All the stuff the dealers have boshed onto 09 plates ready for the "scrap scheme rush" will now be sat there unsold. Whoops!

[fiatdaft]

we have been run off our feet with folk trying to scrap there motors,under the vauxhall ecoflex £1000 against a 1.0 corsa we had some tasty stuff being scrapped, and newer boring stuff aswell, newest was a 8000 mile 06 plate city rover.

[dollywobbler]

we have been run off our feet with folk trying to scrap there motors,under the vauxhall ecoflex £1000 against a 1.0 corsa we had some tasty stuff being scrapped, and newer boring stuff aswell, newest was a 8000 mile 06 plate city rover.

Jeez! So was the shitty Rover scrapped then?EDIT - must admit, I don't entirely share the view that people are sensible and won't go for this scheme. People are unbelievably stupid. I mean, just think about how many albums Boyzone and Westlife shift.

[fiatdaft]

sure was,same as the 2000on a private plate lpg'd 728i . they didnt even take the plate, K1 WHB iirc.

[trigger]

People are unbelievably stupid. I mean, just think about how many albums Boyzone and Westlife shift.

That's a good case argument there!It's like i said on a thread on RR, My wife mate at work has a mint T reg Fiesta 1.4 that they have owned from new with a low mileage, They are planning on trading it in against a new Fiesta or Focus as there argument is that they would never get £2000 for it privately.It angers me that there are so many poor people out there driving around in dangerous shitters that can't afford to have a better car when there are good cars now getting scrapped.Don't make sense to me.

sure was,same as the 2000on a private plate lpg'd 728i . they didnt even take the plate, K1 WHB iirc.

Surely that would make more then that on ebay especially with LPG, I guess people are lazy and don't care.

[RedSparrow]

we have been run off our feet with folk trying to scrap there motors,under the vauxhall ecoflex £1000 against a 1.0 corsa we had some tasty stuff being scrapped, and newer boring stuff aswell, newest was a 8000 mile 06 plate city rover.

Incredible. I would like to know in what way the government see that as being good for the environment!

[Justin Case]

It's like i said on a thread on RR, My wife mate at work has a mint T reg Fiesta 1.4 that they have owned from new with a low mileage, They are planning on trading it in against a new Fiesta or Focus as there argument is that they would never get £2000 for it privately.

The really stupid thing is that although the scheme might make them buy a new car when they wouldn't have otherwise done so, the new car will drop a good £2000 or probably more as soon as they have driven it out of the showroom, when buying a pre-reg one would have saved them even more. And I'll bet they drive miles to save 1p a litre when they fill up

[Split_Pin]

I'm shocked - an 06-plate car being scrapped because of some half-baked scheme. Whos going to pay for the £2k in years to come? Well, I'm bloody laughing at the government now. They bang on about the environment being the way out of this recession, yet they are actually paying people to create waste by scrapping a perfectly good car and buying a new one that has created more emissions in its production etc etc.Badlerdash

[fiatdaft]

it is a bit cheaper,by £500 for a new ecoflex deal,than a pre reg,like for like.not for me any longer,start a new job the morra,i've had it with 65 hours a week!

[The Main]

People are unbelievably stupid. I mean, just think about how many albums Boyzone and Westlife shift.

That's a good case argument there!It's like i said on a thread on RR, My wife mate at work has a mint T reg Fiesta 1.4 that they have owned from new with a low mileage, They are planning on trading it in against a new Fiesta or Focus as there argument is that they would never get £2000 for it privately.It angers me that there are so many poor people out there driving around in dangerous shitters that can't afford to have a better car when there are good cars now getting scrapped.Don't make sense to me.

sure was,same as the 2000on a private plate lpg'd 728i . they didnt even take the plate, K1 WHB iirc.

Surely that would make more then that on ebay especially with LPG, I guess people are lazy and don't care.

Why don't you suggest they send a friend (you, maybe?) down to the Ford dealership to find out what could be negotiated without letting on they may have a car to 'scrap'? I bet they'd find that the £2K scrappage payment they think they're getting for their old Fiesta is pretty much the same as the discount they could negotiate off the list price anyway. With a bit of effort, I bet they could get the £2K discount without scrapping a perfectly decent car, which could itself then be sold on to someone who needs a cheap but tidy car. And it would certainly be one in the eye for those twats at the SMMT!

[FredTransit]

People are unbelievably stupid. I mean, just think about how many albums Boyzone and Westlife shift.

That's a good case argument there!It's like i said on a thread on RR, My wife mate at work has a mint T reg Fiesta 1.4 that they have owned from new with a low mileage, They are planning on trading it in against a new Fiesta or Focus as there argument is that they would never get £2000 for it privately.It angers me that there are so many poor people out there driving around in dangerous shitters that can't afford to have a better car when there are good cars now getting scrapped.Don't make sense to me.

sure was,same as the 2000on a private plate lpg'd 728i . they didnt even take the plate, K1 WHB iirc.

Surely that would make more then that on ebay especially with LPG, I guess people are lazy and don't care.

Why don't you suggest they send a friend (you, maybe?) down to the Ford dealership to find out what could be negotiated without letting on they may have a car to 'scrap'? I bet they'd find that the £2K scrappage payment they think they're getting for their old Fiesta is pretty much the same as the discount they could negotiate off the list price anyway. With a bit of effort, I bet they could get the £2K discount without scrapping a perfectly decent car, which could itself then be sold on to someone who needs a cheap but tidy car. And it would certainly be one in the eye for those twats at the SMMT!

That's exactly what I think, people really are stupid aren't they? Just ASK! As for the scrappage scheme being dead in the water, could have told you that. Thing is, it might work in so far as getting people into the showrooms. It's amazing what Hype can do!

[gallondrunk]

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[FredTransit]

Wasn't it the case that dealerships were acting as credit brokers though? They are going to give the credit out like sweeties if it means they shift the cars. I am beginning to think this is all about getting people into the showrooms, once there, well they are trapped.

 

"I have come about the car scrapping scheme"

 

Oh really, what car do you have in mind, and what do you have to scrap?

 

"I was looking at the 1.1L Ickle actually, and I have a a 1999 Civil with no MOT I have owned for a week."

 

Sorry neither of those qualify for the scrappage discount, but we do have this car of the week, an 09 Feckinhuge 3.2L, I could do something for you on that. How does one of your children as a down payment and one and a half grand a month for the next ten years sound?

[gallondrunk]

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[FredTransit]

i believe the Fekinhuge only comes in beige and metallic Gold, but I am not 100% sure as i don't do new cars.....

[Station]

Someone asked me why I didn't get rid of my old cars and do the scrappage scheme - simple, I can't afford the extra 8,000 that I'll need.

[Mash]

Someone asked me why I didn't get rid of my old cars and do the scrappage scheme - simple, I can't afford the extra 8,000 that I'll need.

That's one of the fundamental problems with society today - no concept of value of things that cost a great deal of money probably due to the fact that the great deal of money is disguised by paying out smallish amounts of money each month. You or I can see the 8 grand hiding and sniggering behind the two hundred quid with it's beckoning finger and ice cream. Suppose it's what you get used to. I got a piece of coal for Christmas not a Sega so I grew up knowing that consumer goods cost a lot of money (more if you buy them on hire purchase). If I ever have kids I'll dread birthdays and Christmases.

[dollywobbler]

Someone asked me why I didn't get rid of my old cars and do the scrappage scheme - simple, I can't afford the extra 8,000 that I'll need.

I just like responding with a pair of cupped hands saying 'ooh look. There's my entire personal debt. Nothing! I like actually owning my cars so sod off!'

[vicsmith]

The main thing is that the offer, having no teeth whatsoever, won`t screw up all the motor factors and independant garages etc. Quite how anyone can state who deserves and who does not deserve to stay of the dole is a mystery to me, but if the scrappage scheme had been more generous and ended up meaning 2 grand off the govt., then maybe 2 more grand off the price from the dealer, plus 6 month old cars eligible then probably 800,000 jobs would have been given a temporary stay of execution while 800,000 one man outfits disappear.I`m going to re-register my 323 in an improbable false name (but at the same address, so I still end up with the v5) just to give it a change of keeper thus disqualifying it from the scheme. Not that I would ever scrap a 323, especially one that I`ve had 6 years that has attained "pet dog" status, nor would I ever be buying a new car, I just like the idea of rendering it ineligible. There`s a thing actually, anything interesting that has changed hands in the last couple of months will never qualify.

[Station]

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=20374

 

Not content with 1 billion dollars the car industry has already received, it now claims it needs (and will more than likely get) another 2 billion on top of that. Although, of the whole scheme "it was too early to quantify the impact."

This is what Mike Jackson, "SEE EE OH" of 'Autonation' (largest dealer group in the US and ex Mercedes North America) says:

 

'This is the kind of buyer that comes to market once in a decade. They buy these things and keep them forever,' Jackson says. 'It really is incremental business and that's why it's a brilliantly conceived stimulus program.'

 

So why are they clamouring to get rid of their decade old car which still rivals all brand new cars on everything, but it's sharper lines.

 

Oh by the way, this is what's to come from the Americans, as part of their plans to update and adapt:

 

Pontiac G6:

 

Awful, ugly cars that have long since been superceded in terms of quality, driveability, performance and value by Malaysians.

 

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0 ... 05,00.html

 

And the 3 billion obviously isn't going to cover the workers:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/busin ... f=business

 

Cunts!

[VWPowered]

i was working on a 3 year rav4 today what a bag'o'nuts that was

[simmo]

Its just been on the radio, the German Srappage scheme has been 'abused' . Up to 50,000 cars surrendered under the scheme have been illegally export to Africa and the like

[mnde]

Yay! Escapees!

[trigger]

Got me think now, I work at the port of Felixstowe and we have been mega busy lately exporting lots of boxes out, Wonder how many will have dodgy scrappage cars inside now?

[FredTransit]

I would sooner they live on it Africa, than just squashed.

[Mr Lobster]

Got me think now, I work at the port of Felixstowe and we have been mega busy lately exporting lots of boxes out, Wonder how many will have dodgy scrappage cars inside now?

I'd bet quite a few. A good number of scrap dealers would be quite happy to issue a certificate of destruction then load a couple into a container. Nice healthy profit for them, car vanishes from UK roads never to be seen again.Kerrrchiiiing!!!