Pug/Cit/Ford 1.6 Dizzlers

[SiC]

Plenty of half ones about ... Half broken engines that is

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll get my coat.

[sierraman]

Saying all this there's plenty of 10-12 year old ones knocking about so failure certainly isn't guaranteed.

[carlo]

"Eventually we settled on a 2013 '63' Ford Mondeo 1.6 TDCi Econectic Titanium X Business Edition Start/Stop"

 

Car with a name like that deserves to die.

[chaseracer]

It will...

[sierraman]

"Eventually we settled on a 2013 '63' Ford Mondeo 1.6 TDCi Econectic Titanium X Business Edition Start/Stop"

 

Car with a name like that deserves to die.

Would you have considered the Sierra 1.6 Emax Ghia? Back 30 years ago everybody would have thought that was similarly shit...

[PhillipM]

Having spent a week in the pissing rain with half the engine stripped down trying to clear the entire thing of sludge and carbon.....it's not a mistake I'll be repeating.

[Timewaster]

Would you have considered the Sierra 1.6 Emax Ghia? Back 30 years ago everybody would have thought that was similarly shit...

It WAS shit. Emax Sierras were a 75 flat out joke.

[sierraman]

It WAS shit. Emax Sierras were a 75 flat out joke.

I thought they were OK for the time. Economical.

[Hendry]

I've no idea why it has such a lengthy shit name, Econetic seems to be Ford lingo for it having a boot spoiler and lower suspension than non-Eco Mondeos. Titanium X just means it's the highest trim level and the Business Edition bit seems to just mean it has full leather seats, front and rear parking sensors, a factory colour sat nav and tinted windows at the back.

 

Not sure why the business edition bit is included because all Titanium X spec Mondeo from 2013 are the business trim ones.

 

Car trims are all lengthy and stupid these days, my Boggo Corsa is listed as a Corsa 1.4 90ps Ecoflex SRi 16V VVT. What happened to Mondeo Aspen, LX, GLX, Ghia, Si. That's plenty. Unless it's for those sad bastards who go down the pub bragging about the full spec of their rep mobile, guy one says mines a 1.6 Edge, guy 2 says I've got you beat there mines a 1.6 Ecoboost Zetec Business Edition and guy 3 says you are all peasants because mines the TDCi Titanium X Business Edition Start/Stop. Load of marketing nonsense.

[Timewaster]

I thought they were OK for the time. Economical.

My older brother had one and it was laughably slow. As a result he drove it everywhere with his foot pushing the pedal into the carpet and so got less mpg than a standard car.

 

When I worked in the spares place and people didn't know if their Sierra was emax or not then I would ask if it did more than 70. If they said only just, it was an emax.

[sierraman]

Why would you buy a Sierra 1.6 then complain about the lack of power, if it's out and out power you'd have bought the 2.8.

[Timewaster]

It was a fairly stupid plan to be fair.

His mate had a 2.0 and that went like poo off a spade so his logic was that a 1.6 wouldn't be far behind. D'oh.

 

A contemporary 1.6 Cavalier would have been much much quicker.

[danthecapriman]

I've driven a Sierra 1.6 Emax. I was also using my Capri 1.6 as a daily at the time so had a direct comparison.

The Emax was gutless! Jumping into my Capri the difference was huge even in spite of the Capri being significantly older than the Sierra.

I've always found the standard 1.6 pinto to be alright tbh, it does the job perfectly well enough.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

It is a "bloke in a pub" story but i was told once that the sump bung isn't/wasn't at the bottom of the sump allowing sludge to build up and block the oil pick up.

 

 

That's the pile of PSA junk* fitted to the petrol R56 Mini. The sump plug is on the base of the pressed steel sump, but the internal thread protrudes inwards so much that you'll always have 10mm of old oil that cannot drain.

[Ghosty]

That's the pile of PSA junk* fitted to the petrol R56 Mini. The sump plug is on the base of the pressed steel sump, but the internal thread protrudes inwards so much that you'll always have 10mm of old oil that cannot drain.

That's good to know. They seem to burn a fair bit of oil (enough to put the engine warning light on after a while!) and benefit from regular top ups if you're doing any remotely serious mileage in them.

[I_am_Diesel]

I recently treated myself to a 2014 Focus 1.6 TDCi Titanium Navigator Estate. It had done a fair few miles in it's two years of existence (79000) but it was cheap for what it is and I'd never owned a nearly new car before with fancy kit. It is also a nice shade of blue.

Not long after I bought it I discovered it was losing quite a bit of coolant but it wasn't over heating. Further investigation revealed very high pressure in the expansion tank, even the next day when the engine was cold. I tried another cap just in case but the problem of coolant running down the inner wing persisted so as the car was still under warranty I contacted the dealer. I was convinced that the head gasket had gone or the head had cracked as these seemed like classic symptoms to me.

They came and collected it, left me a courtesy car and 3 days later I was informed that it was cured and it was just that the coolant system needed bleeding.

One 20 mile round trip and the car was pissing coolant all over the drive from the expansion cap due to over pressure. I tried re-bleeding the system a couple of times but I was wasting my time plus I was taking a lot of coolant from work.

Back to the dealers it went, they gave me a hateful Peugeot as a courtesy turd and I waited. I commenced my campaign of harassment as initial updates were few and far between. First it was the EGR Cooler, then it wasn't. Then it was various pipes but it wasn't. Defeated, the dealers sent the car to a main dealer who after trying various solutions, they too were beaten so called in a Master Technician. He/she diagnosed a cracked cylinder liner. I then had to wait for a replacement engine which the dealer took quite a while to source.

The whole process took over 9 weeks and I was pretty pissed off by the end of it.

I am now fastidious in my coolant and oil checks and up to now it hasn't been a bad car but I wouldn't buy another I don't think.

In conclusion I can only say that they are probably not super reliable bullet proof engines and not up to the job of 2 years of high miles.

Next time read how I got robbed by a traveller and had a Land Rover Defender rear cross member hit me in the face.

[Pillock]

I think the tipping point here is you're considering one as a taxi. A working vehicle, that needs to be on the road.

 

As for names, I think it's because various agencies and interested parties need to know the spec of the car to generate tax, insurance, P11D costs etc. So they can't just know it's a Mondeo 1.6TDCI Titanium, the Business Edition might change the insurance cos it's got fancy satnav and stuff, the Econetic might change the tax level compared to a non Econetic one etc.

My Focus was, on the paperwork, a 1.6TDCI (EURO 4) TITANIUM NAV and my Astra was a 1.6CDTI TECH-LINE HATCH START/STOP