FUCK OFF BBC - Diesel moan

[Junkman]

I followed this principle in my former life and had a perfectly suitable vehicle for every occasion.

 

- 11 fully restored 1957 - 1963 Imperials for showing off.

- At least one Corvette for fun.

- A 1978 Caprice for long distance travelling (50k miles/year).

- A 1973 Chrysler Newport as a backup for the Caprice.

- A 1979 Chevy Blazer Cheyenne for Winter (I had to drive to Scandinavia in Winter a lot).

- A 1979 Chevy C30 3+3 Silverado Camper Special Crew Cab Dually to haul the trailer for

- A succession of BriSCA/NACO Stockcar F1s.

- A 1975 Ford Chateau Club Wagon for the trips to the shops and into the city (it was the closest thing I could find to a city bus).

 

So there you go. My deed done to save the fucking planet.

[I_am_Diesel]

If the pumps dry up, I am going to have to change my user name. Bastards!

[NorfolkNWeigh]

There are no petrols to buy, I tried for 2 weeks, not one 300C, A6, E Class, XF or S80 with a petrol engine less than 7 years old ,under about £7000. On Autotrader or eBay.

Correction- there was a Cat C XF 3.0 V6 with no history and worn out drivers seat- I still almost went to have a look.

In the end I had to buy another feckin dirty dizzler, 3.0 torque monster that refuses to do less than 40 mpg- I know I'll pay the price eventually- but I've got no choice.

[Junkman]

Buy something older. Under 700 quid, not 7000.

[eddyramrod]

We've all been so brainwashed that the manufacturers make it really hard to buy a petrol-engined car!  Out of curiosity, MrsR and I went looking at Motability cars a few months ago.  The Tacuma is a long way from needing to be replaced, but you know, it's worth a look...

First find a car she can get in and out of.  OK, so something like a Ford B-Max is good.  It can be ordered with an automatic (essential, but preferred anyway), but the biggest petrol engine on offer is a 1.6.  The car we have at the moment is a comparable size, but 2.0.  Go up to the C-Max, and you more or less have to have a diesel.  Things are no better at Nissan and Kia (two other random makes I looked at).

When will they learn?  Diesel is not for cars!

[Junkman]

Is the VW Passat even available with a petrol engine?

[Bear]

There are no petrols to buy, I tried for 2 weeks, not one 300C, A6, E Class, XF or S80 with a petrol engine less than 7 years old ,under about £7000. On Autotrader or eBay.

Correction- there was a Cat C XF 3.0 V6 with no history and worn out drivers seat- I still almost went to have a look.

In the end I had to buy another feckin dirty dizzler, 3.0 torque monster that refuses to do less than 40 mpg- I know I'll pay the price eventually- but I've got no choice.

 

I sold my 2007 300C 5.7 Hemi Estate, with 26000 on the clock, for £6495. Better than dealer history as I serviced it every 6 months/5,000 miles with proper oil, no damage on it anywhere, tyres all P7s with over 7mm tread all around...

 

Was back in April though. And despite offering it for that price on the usual places, a dealer bought it and no doubt will have flipped that 6 upside-down - I'd underpriced it, but still that was the only bite I got.

 

Don't bother with a 3.5V6 one. They're asthmatic and as thirsty as the multi-displacement V8.

[Bren]

Do you think this is spin in anticipation of a hike in the price of diesel that the treasury can justify on the grounds of supply and demand?

[solid61]

I hate the bbc,bunch of loony left wing do gooder cu..ts.

[willswitchengage]

Yeah everything the BBC has ever done is just a pile of left wi... etc.

 

They did annoy me though yesterday. The weather forecast said it would be dry but I did the daily 20 mile cycle round trip looking like something that'd been just pulled out of the canal. I also appeared to have been rained on.

[Junkman]

Do you think this is spin in anticipation of a hike in the price of diesel that the treasury can justify on the grounds of supply and demand?

 

The treasury doesn't hike the price of diesel. The oil industry would do that. But doesn't. In fact, the price went down.

But when the oil industry hikes the price, the tax revenue increases automatically, because the VAT is proportional to the price.

So the treasury (now there is a misleading term if there ever was one) will not hinder the oil industry bumraping everyone.

 

Then there is the fuel duty. This is a fixed amount per litre of fuel. This was frozen until this year since 2012 remember?

Now that it thawed, guess why the Völkischer Beobachter UK Ltd. publishes this stupid bollox of pumps running dry.

 

If it wasn't all so fucking foreseeable...

[Negative Creep]

Yeah everything the BBC has ever done is just a pile of left wi... etc.

 

They did annoy me though yesterday. The weather forecast said it would be dry but I did the daily 20 mile cycle round trip looking like something that'd been just pulled out of the canal. I also appeared to have been rained on.

 

 

Well that's because of global warming (unless it was colder than you expected, in which case it must have been climate change)

[SOUL]

other scare stories with regard to diesel (apart from the kittens, polarbears and children that it kills each time I start my car up) is they want to charge diesels to enter London, derby, Nottingham, leeds and Bristol? I've been to all these places, with the exception of Bristol and they are total shit holes. the one saving grace for allof them is the road back out!!

 

and quiet how it will work for leeds when the M62 and M1 run right through the heart of the place, shows just how much thought has been put into the idea.

 

really they should be paying folks to go in to these dreadful places, not charging for the friggin' privilege!!

 

If they got rid of all those old Nissan clagging black cabs and retro fitted with some clean derv burner that'd clean up a lot of shite.  I also hear the new Boris hybrid Bus doesn't even meet the new proposed lower zone. Says it all really.

[fred]

Just another scare mongering tactic, as if we aint got enough already BAH!

[castros_bro]

 We already have a percentage of alcohol in our petrol but elsewhere using alcohol as a fuel in now big business due to laws about renewables and emissions but like everything which gets regulated it is complex and has other, secondary, affects.   In the US of A there's been a big push to get people to use E85 (85% alcohol)  fuel with the alcohol made from maize (corn) which was being grown  as feed for live stock and the main ingredient of the Mexican diet staple of tortillas. The effect was a maize price hike  leading to American speculators/banks joining in and  tortilla riots in Mexico (http://www.theecologist.org/trial_investigations/1051194/mexicos_poor_suffer_as_food_speculation_fuels_tortilla_crisis.html)

 

 

 

 

The US of A position.

 

The increase on the use of E85 -- a kind of alcohol fuel that is a mixture of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline -- as an alternative fuel could lessen the country's reliance on imported oil. E85, in fact, is rapidly gaining popularity in the country. In lieu with this development, the Energy Information Administration reported more than six million registered E85 compatible lightweight vehicles, most commonly known as flex fuel vehicles or FFVs, in the country. Some of these vehicles are owned by private individuals, and some are used for government and business purposes. Presently, an estimate of 200 E85 refueling stations are available nationwide.

The Ethanol Industry

The ethanol industry produces pure ethanol fuel or a blend of ethanol and gasoline in the form of E85 or E10. Billions of gallons of ethanol are being produced each year making it one of the fastest rising industry in the country for the past five years. In 2003 alone, 2.81 billion gallons of ethanol were produced. The next year recorded over a billion increase in production with the total yield of 3.4 billion gallons. The consumer demand, power plant development, and the prohibition of MTBE or methyl tertiary butyl ether all contributed to the progress of the industry.

At present, a total of 108 biorefineries, as listed by the Renewable Fuels Association or RFA, are providing the country with billions of gallons of ethanol each year. Since ethanol in the country are produced from corn, most of these plants are located in the Midwest region where corn farms are abundant. Among the states, the Corn Belt area has the most number of ethanol plants. The Corn Belt area is comprised by the states of Missouri, Wisconsin, Illinois, Nebraska, Minnesota, North Dakota, Iowa, South Dakota, Kansas, and Michigan. On the other hand, even non-major corn producers like California, New York, and Tennessee have their own plants as well. Most of these plants are also owned by corn farmers.

[retrogeezer]

so let me get this straight, 15 plus years ago we had 'old' diesels that would happily run on nice clean vegetable oil that does no harm to the environment. The gubberment brought in regs for emissions on cars so diesels were made with high pressure pumpage and DPF's and stuff to make them still worth having mpg wise and fit in with regs. Now they say they are too dirty still and we can't use them anymore even though if they hadn't dicked about with them in the first place we could all be using the 'not so cheap' veg oil instead.

[Junkman]

so let me get this straight, 15 plus years ago we had 'old' diesels that would happily run on nice clean vegetable oil that does no harm to the environment.

 

Wrong. They very much do harm the environment. Their emissions are as cancerogenous as the ones of petrochemical diesels.

The main difference between the old and new generation diesels is however, that the new ones in addition create fine particle dust which the old ones didn't create.

This dust is supposed to be held back with these particulate filters, which doesn't work, so when it comes to fine dust, the air quality in conurbations is measurably

worse than it was before the new generation diesels arrived.

[NorfolkNWeigh]

I sold my 2007 300C 5.7 Hemi Estate, with 26000 on the clock, for £6495. Better than dealer history as I serviced it every 6 months/5,000 miles with proper oil, no damage on it anywhere, tyres all P7s with over 7mm tread all around...

 

Was back in April though. And despite offering it for that price on the usual places, a dealer bought it and no doubt will have flipped that 6 upside-down - I'd underpriced it, but still that was the only bite I got.

 

Don't bother with a 3.5V6 one. They're asthmatic and as thirsty as the multi-displacement V8.

The turnaround in 300C prices over the last 4-5 years is pretty dramatic.

In 2012 I bought a 2 year old CRD Touring for £10k ,at the time an equivalent Hemi would have been a good couple of grand cheaper. I added 215k miles bringing it up to 325k with no problems, it was written off in 2014, luckily the Fire Brigade chopped the battery so no one could see the mileage - insurance paid out £8k.

Ifancied a change so didn't look at 300s but did notice a couple of SRT8's for around £7k.

Fast forward to August this year- no Hemis to be had young enough for me to License, older ones making £8 or 9 grand. The cheapest SRT8's are starting at £12k now. 5 year old diesels everywhere for £7,000 ,only problem is they've all done a million miles and a 10 year old with an iPhone can clock them in 30 seconds.

The V6 petrol will be the first to hit shite territory, slower than a normal dizzler ( mine was chipped) thirstier than a 400 BHP V8.

Whether this turnaround is because of anti diesel backlash or just people realising how underrated the Hemis were is not clear however.

[NorfolkNWeigh]

Buy something older. Under 700 quid, not 7000.

If only that were an option.

 

I'd buy one of these, it'd pay for itself in a couple of weeks.

 

More space, better ride comfort, more class.

Just need to convince the petty bureaucrats at the council.

[Junkman]

If only that were an option.

 

I'd buy one of these, it'd pay for itself in a couple of weeks.

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More space, better ride comfort, more class.

Just need to convince the petty bureaucrats at the council.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2011-Vauxhall-Insignia-1-8i-16V-SE-5dr-Petrol-Manual-Low-mileage-44997-/262049092588

 

All Vauxhalls, etc. etc...

[willswitchengage]

If they got rid of all those old Nissan clagging black cabs and retro fitted with some clean derv burner that'd clean up a lot of shite.  I also hear the new Boris hybrid Bus doesn't even meet the new proposed lower zone. Says it all really.

 

Well the new Routemaster is Euro V minimum - it's probable that they will have been naturally pahsed out and replaced with the necessary Euro VIs by the proposed start date of 2020

 

Have a POLLUSHUN MAP of London. As you can see a lot of people forget about the big polluter on the left, although obviously fewer people live near there

 

 

Rference the E85 argument, the US is one of the world's biggest agricultural producers by a very long way. Encouraging its huge numbers of arable farmers to grow fuel crops has big cyclic effects in the economy. That doesn't work as well in Europe, especially the UK

[retrogeezer]

Wrong. They very much do harm the environment. Their emissions are as cancerogenous as the ones of petrochemical diesels.

The main difference between the old and new generation diesels is however, that the new ones in addition create fine particle dust which the old ones didn't create.

This dust is supposed to be held back with these particulate filters, which doesn't work, so when it comes to fine dust, the air quality in conurbations is measurably

worse than it was before the new generation diesels arrived.

 

 

So even running on veg oil (which is what I said) they are bad??  How does the veg oil become a carcinogen? 

[castros_bro]

So even running on veg oil (which is what I said) they are bad??  How does the veg oil become a carcinogen? 

 

 

Bit like tabacco being a natural product but when burnt becomes a carcinogen.

[Bobthebeard]

 

Outside the VW Diesel engine factory yesterday (possibly)

[MarvinsMom]

i don't care much for bioethanol either.

 

there is a huge great big plant for making the stuff on the wilton ssite at home. 

 

i don't think the damn thing has actually made a drop of the stuff, given the dramatic rise in wheat prices over the last couple of years.

 

plus it seems it rots out the fuel lines, pump diaphrams and carb bits in cars older than i think 2009?

 

bloody great that is, mine are all quiet a bit older than that.

[Dick Cheeseburger]

All a bloody farce. Diesel drivers have been royally dicked around for years now. Obviously the government hiked the raw price up when it realised plenty of people were running them due to tidy MPG figures. Now it's suggesting getting them out of some cities. I reckon they'll start taxing the number of wheels cars have next; there could be a great* opportunity for a manufacturer to produce a car with three wheels, with a lightweight body shell for economy. It could even be named after a bird, suggesting how it glides along with a low drag coefficient.

 

On a different note, my OH drives a modern derv with a DPF. To be fair, she does loads of miles with it, and longish journeys - obviously when diesels and DPFs are happiest. The DPF, despite the bad press some give them really does the job - the tailpipes are as clean as a pin. It doesn't cuff out shit when given heavy right foot, either.

[MarvinsMom]

i didn't know there is a bird called "bug"?

[Lacquer Peel]

Animal agriculture is responsible for more emissions and greenhouse gasses than all transportation, I don't see anyone banning burgers.

[MarvinsMom]

AND I SHOULD THINK SO TOO!!

 

i could just go a cheese burger now.

 

with chips.

[brickwall]

We eat them, though. I do think that we eat too much red meat.