Are rear wheel drive cars a fuggin liability??

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Those new Toyota GT86's have been designed to be be easy to over steer, which makes journalists happy because of the low budget OMG drift angle they can publish in their magazines

 

They're all called either Ben or Dan and have designer stubble. During the OMG DRIVING GOD sideways pics they have the idiot grin/head tilted over OMG DRIVING GOD stylee. Am I right?

 

RWD is okay in da beemers innit, but I find the Laguna steers and handles extremely well. If you found its limit on a public road, you would clearly be a wanker of some sort.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Those new Toyota GT86's have been designed to be be easy to over steer, which makes journalists happy because of the low budget OMG drift angle they can publish in their magazines

 

They're all called either Ben or Dan and have designer stubble. During the OMG DRIVING GOD sideways pics they have the idiot grin/head tilted over OMG DRIVING GOD stylee. Am I right?

 

RWD is okay in da beemers innit, but I find the Laguna steers and handles extremely well. If you found its limit on a public road, you would clearly be a wanker of some sort.

[cort16]

RWD doesn't just bite you in the arse for no reason. It only does it if you're driving like a dick. This is coming from someone who drives a twitchy RWD Ford, and all my cars have been RWD.

 

I don't think that's always true. I've had rwd drive cars break away at lowish speed during normal cornering/round about orbiting. I think modern cars are possibly slightly worse as they're so bloody heavy that once they go there's a lot of weight moving and the stability control can make them feel very odd when cornering.

 

The Reverend Bluejeans. Correct. EVO seems to be the worst culprit, usually showing some 50 grand rwd BMW "sideways" with the mention of "progressive oversteer" or some bollocks on some welsh country lane .

[cort16]

RWD doesn't just bite you in the arse for no reason. It only does it if you're driving like a dick. This is coming from someone who drives a twitchy RWD Ford, and all my cars have been RWD.

 

I don't think that's always true. I've had rwd drive cars break away at lowish speed during normal cornering/round about orbiting. I think modern cars are possibly slightly worse as they're so bloody heavy that once they go there's a lot of weight moving and the stability control can make them feel very odd when cornering.

 

The Reverend Bluejeans. Correct. EVO seems to be the worst culprit, usually showing some 50 grand rwd BMW "sideways" with the mention of "progressive oversteer" or some bollocks on some welsh country lane .

[cms206]

I've mostly had FWD, the only RWDs owned have been the Senator and two 740 2.3 autos. The Senator's been quite placid so far, the last 740 didn't run long enough to go sideways and the current 740 has sent so many of it's horses to Tesco it tends to just plow straight on. Although the Federal tyres with about 2mm of tread and fucked shockies probably have more to do with it.

 

I have only stuffed one car into an embankment, a 2004 Ford Focus 1.6 automatic. I was young and stupid and other than writing off a Mazda with a Volvo B10M I've not had a hefty bump since.

[cms206]

I've mostly had FWD, the only RWDs owned have been the Senator and two 740 2.3 autos. The Senator's been quite placid so far, the last 740 didn't run long enough to go sideways and the current 740 has sent so many of it's horses to Tesco it tends to just plow straight on. Although the Federal tyres with about 2mm of tread and fucked shockies probably have more to do with it.

 

I have only stuffed one car into an embankment, a 2004 Ford Focus 1.6 automatic. I was young and stupid and other than writing off a Mazda with a Volvo B10M I've not had a hefty bump since.

[HillmanImp]

Modern RWD cars are weird as the traction control stops you lighting the wheels up but you can't get around physics so if the weight moves in a particular way you're still going to go sideways but you're going to have the traction control grabbing at the wheels making an arse of things.

 

This is an interesting point. I have not lost it in a RWD modern so have not had to try and snatch it back. Will the electronic gadgets think they know better than you and prevent you saving it?

 

He'll kill me for this, but here is our very own M. Imp having a moment...

 

 

When I saw this thread this monring I did think, I had better watch what I say on this as someone will undoubtedly rake up this incident

 

However, the GT6 crash was lift off oversteer. That could easily have happened in FWD too. Not to sure if it is more likely in a RWD to a FWD or not, maybe other people have more experience of this? I have also had it in a 205 GTi.

[HillmanImp]

Modern RWD cars are weird as the traction control stops you lighting the wheels up but you can't get around physics so if the weight moves in a particular way you're still going to go sideways but you're going to have the traction control grabbing at the wheels making an arse of things.

 

This is an interesting point. I have not lost it in a RWD modern so have not had to try and snatch it back. Will the electronic gadgets think they know better than you and prevent you saving it?

 

He'll kill me for this, but here is our very own M. Imp having a moment...

 

 

When I saw this thread this monring I did think, I had better watch what I say on this as someone will undoubtedly rake up this incident

 

However, the GT6 crash was lift off oversteer. That could easily have happened in FWD too. Not to sure if it is more likely in a RWD to a FWD or not, maybe other people have more experience of this? I have also had it in a 205 GTi.

[Mash]

Only time I ever came a cropper in a RWD car was turning into a side street on an icy morning in my Dolomite 1300. I was at walking pace and ended up doing a very neat slow motion pirouette and it's a good job there was nothing coming in the opposite direction. Don't know how a FWD car would have behaved in the same situation - straight on into the wall? Carry on no problem?

 

I do like RWD, understeer setting in on a bend can give you a bit of a scare in some FWD cars if you're pressing on a bit. Having said that, my Triumph 1300 FWD is fairly well balanced and will turn in nicely with a bit of over correction but the Sunny needs gentle coaxing. The 155 on the other hand goes round corners like it's on rails. So verdict - I don't mind either - you just have to respect the car and conditions.

[Mash]

Only time I ever came a cropper in a RWD car was turning into a side street on an icy morning in my Dolomite 1300. I was at walking pace and ended up doing a very neat slow motion pirouette and it's a good job there was nothing coming in the opposite direction. Don't know how a FWD car would have behaved in the same situation - straight on into the wall? Carry on no problem?

 

I do like RWD, understeer setting in on a bend can give you a bit of a scare in some FWD cars if you're pressing on a bit. Having said that, my Triumph 1300 FWD is fairly well balanced and will turn in nicely with a bit of over correction but the Sunny needs gentle coaxing. The 155 on the other hand goes round corners like it's on rails. So verdict - I don't mind either - you just have to respect the car and conditions.

[cort16]

I have to say I found the Carlton GSi3000 I had very stable. The last car I stuffed was an e34 BMW 535i sport about 4 years ago. It's arse over took on a straight but slippy bit of road putting me into a ditch.

[cort16]

I have to say I found the Carlton GSi3000 I had very stable. The last car I stuffed was an e34 BMW 535i sport about 4 years ago. It's arse over took on a straight but slippy bit of road putting me into a ditch.

[cort16]

This is an interesting point. I have not lost it in a RWD modern so have not had to try and snatch it back. Will the electronic gadgets think they know better than you and prevent you saving it?

 

In my experience they're a bit dim witted and tend not to stop a slide starting (although they will stop the wheels spinning). Once they figure it out they basically cut power but I think the more sophisticated ones can apply the brakes to try to sort it out.

[cort16]

This is an interesting point. I have not lost it in a RWD modern so have not had to try and snatch it back. Will the electronic gadgets think they know better than you and prevent you saving it?

 

In my experience they're a bit dim witted and tend not to stop a slide starting (although they will stop the wheels spinning). Once they figure it out they basically cut power but I think the more sophisticated ones can apply the brakes to try to sort it out.

[Angrydicky]

I think I see the answer here: Don't buy modern BMW's.

[Angrydicky]

I think I see the answer here: Don't buy modern BMW's.

[chaseracer]

However, the GT6 crash was lift off oversteer. That could easily have happened in FWD too. Not to sure if it is more likely in a RWD to a FWD or not, maybe other people have more experience of this? I have also had it in a 205 GTi.

I had LOO once in a Citroen GS. That was unexpected...

[chaseracer]

However, the GT6 crash was lift off oversteer. That could easily have happened in FWD too. Not to sure if it is more likely in a RWD to a FWD or not, maybe other people have more experience of this? I have also had it in a 205 GTi.

I had LOO once in a Citroen GS. That was unexpected...

[fordperv]

my preference is rwd most of my cars have been rwd and no problems i love the way they drive and if you think about it they make the most sence front wheels for steering rear wheels for pushing

[fordperv]

my preference is rwd most of my cars have been rwd and no problems i love the way they drive and if you think about it they make the most sence front wheels for steering rear wheels for pushing

[Spiny Norman]

..front wheels for steering rear wheels for pushing

 

Like this you mean?

 

 

Couldn't be arsed trying to find a pic of a rwd horse & cart combo with an oncoming train, sorry....

[Spiny Norman]

..front wheels for steering rear wheels for pushing

 

Like this you mean?

 

 

Couldn't be arsed trying to find a pic of a rwd horse & cart combo with an oncoming train, sorry....

[dollywobbler]

However, the GT6 crash was lift off oversteer. That could easily have happened in FWD too. Not to sure if it is more likely in a RWD to a FWD or not, maybe other people have more experience of this? I have also had it in a 205 GTi.

I had LOO once in a Citroen GS. That was unexpected...

 

Not as unexpected as when I had that happen in my first 2CV! Turns out a rear tyre was near-flat due to a puncture...

 

Also had a moment in a Peugeot 305 diesel van for the very same reason. Managed to catch it both times, but was lucky no-one was coming the opposite way.

 

The problem with modern cars is that grip levels are so high that if you do manage to lose it, there really is a fair chance you'll end up embedded in a house. Happened in Peterborough while I worked there - a Volvo. How safe's that? The better grip means people push much quicker, but have no experience of what happens when grip is being pushed to its limits. I worked with a girl who had LOO on her Ford Ka. Poor lass was a very new driver, but naturally she blamed the car rather than any human failings...

[dollywobbler]

However, the GT6 crash was lift off oversteer. That could easily have happened in FWD too. Not to sure if it is more likely in a RWD to a FWD or not, maybe other people have more experience of this? I have also had it in a 205 GTi.

I had LOO once in a Citroen GS. That was unexpected...

 

Not as unexpected as when I had that happen in my first 2CV! Turns out a rear tyre was near-flat due to a puncture...

 

Also had a moment in a Peugeot 305 diesel van for the very same reason. Managed to catch it both times, but was lucky no-one was coming the opposite way.

 

The problem with modern cars is that grip levels are so high that if you do manage to lose it, there really is a fair chance you'll end up embedded in a house. Happened in Peterborough while I worked there - a Volvo. How safe's that? The better grip means people push much quicker, but have no experience of what happens when grip is being pushed to its limits. I worked with a girl who had LOO on her Ford Ka. Poor lass was a very new driver, but naturally she blamed the car rather than any human failings...

[Negative Creep]

..front wheels for steering rear wheels for pushing

 

Like this you mean?

 

 

Couldn't be arsed trying to find a pic of a rwd horse & cart combo with an oncoming train, sorry....

 

 

Horses are rear wheel (well, leg) drive anyway

[Negative Creep]

..front wheels for steering rear wheels for pushing

 

Like this you mean?

 

 

Couldn't be arsed trying to find a pic of a rwd horse & cart combo with an oncoming train, sorry....

 

 

Horses are rear wheel (well, leg) drive anyway

[Richard]

I drove RWD cars almost exclusively for five or so years after passing my test. I think I only had one unplanned swapping of ends, in a Marina naturally, despite driving like a twat on mostly balding and always poor quality rubber. I have to say none of that RWD chod, with the exception of the Marina again, ever failed to proceed on snow. Maybe 155x13 tyres weren't so bad after all.

[Richard]

I drove RWD cars almost exclusively for five or so years after passing my test. I think I only had one unplanned swapping of ends, in a Marina naturally, despite driving like a twat on mostly balding and always poor quality rubber. I have to say none of that RWD chod, with the exception of the Marina again, ever failed to proceed on snow. Maybe 155x13 tyres weren't so bad after all.

[cort16]

Older rwd are better on snow for sure. I had a 1.6 cortina with winter tyres on the back and it was mega in the snow but I think that was down to skinny tyres and no power.

It only ever went sideways in an unplanned manor once and that was because I was driving like a twat.

[cort16]

Older rwd are better on snow for sure. I had a 1.6 cortina with winter tyres on the back and it was mega in the snow but I think that was down to skinny tyres and no power.

It only ever went sideways in an unplanned manor once and that was because I was driving like a twat.