New style MoT certificate

[John F]

What does everyone think of the new style MoT certificate that was launched on 17th October?

 

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I like that the advisories are now part of the certificate, but it looks dead easy to forge...

[Pete-M]

With the DOOVLA database forgery ain't much of a problem.

 

What could be an issue (and this'll be why they did it) is the advisories bit. MOT station reckons it'll be safe for a few months, Dibble are bound to A: Look on the database when they pull you, B: Do you for whatever the MOT advised on...

[autofive]

With the DOOVLA database forgery ain't much of a problem.

 

What could be an issue (and this'll be why they did it) is the advisories bit. MOT station reckons it'll be safe for a few months, Dibble are bound to A: Look on the database when they pull you, B: Do you for whatever the MOT advised on...

 

 

good point peteM, i hadnt thought of that one

[Pete-M]

To give the good Officer Dibble benefit of the doubt, advisories have been on the MOT computer for a good few years already.

 

I've only known VOSA pull that stunt, never the Dibble.

[Guest]

If you want my view, it's laughable. The old green sheets would require at least some effort for a forger - double-sided good quality colour with a pull-off sticker, then you've got to make the "new" text look convincingly printed over it. I reckon I could do it if I had a good enough printer, but the weird sticker paper alone would involve some kind of custom order. These new-style certificates could be forged with an idle minute on MS Paint.

 

Now if you were buying a car you could verify online to see if it is valid, but when are you going to do that - after you've bought it? Still, good job they list advisories now, not like Tippex and photocopiers are hard to come by.

[HillmanImp]

What Hirst said. Will have to start checking online to be safe. How whack.

[mattblack]

O/H took the V****a for MOT yesterday, I was quite suprised to see the new certificate. I knew it was coming in but didn't think it was yet. The MOT man was telling me when I took the Rover that the trade are not happy that the advisories are on the same sheet now...

[overheadvalve]

/\ /\ I bet their not happy.

Scenario: Joe Smith goes to a dealer to buy a 2005 *Vectra, asks to see the mot certificate and (assuming it's a legitimate mot) notices that the mot man advised 2 front shockabsorbers are misting slightly and a front wishbone or anti roll bar has slightly perished rubber bushes, perished a little but not split. Joe Smith is going to walk away or ask for the parts to be replaced isn't he?

 

*It could be any car really i guess, especially cars which are more likely to have been clocked i would have thought.

Is this a possible scenario or am i dreaming?

[John F]

If you want my view, it's laughable. The old green sheets would require at least some effort for a forger - double-sided good quality colour with a pull-off sticker, then you've got to make the "new" text look convincingly printed over it. I reckon I could do it if I had a good enough printer, but the weird sticker paper alone would involve some kind of custom order. These new-style certificates could be forged with an idle minute on MS Paint.

 

Now if you were buying a car you could verify online to see if it is valid, but when are you going to do that - after you've bought it? Still, good job they list advisories now, not like Tippex and photocopiers are hard to come by.

 

Yep, this is it - without checking online (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Ow ... G_10020539), the average punter wouldn't be able to tell whether they were buying a car with a legitimate MoT or one knocked out by the seller.

[Guest]

Another point as far as traders go is that quite a lot of them do sort out advisories, but if the car passes first time and you sort the advisories afterwards, they'll still be on the sheet. As a result, you'll probably end up with arrangements where traders send cars down with a bulb missing for a certain fail, just so they can do any advisories which come up for the re-test (where they are subsequently removed).

 

To be honest, I'm astounded that they appear to have done this with so little consultation - the old system wasn't perfect, but this is completely backwards.

[John F]

Another point as far as traders go is that quite a lot of them do sort out advisories, but if the car passes first time and you sort the advisories afterwards, they'll still be on the sheet. As a result, you'll probably end up with arrangements where traders send cars down with a bulb missing for a certain fail, just so they can do any advisories which come up for the re-test (where they are subsequently removed).

 

I'll be able to confirm whether they're removed when my Calibra goes back in - I have an advisory for corroded discs all round & am planning to change them before the re-test.

[mattblack]

Is this 'advisories removed' thing part of the change to the new certificate? When I took the Rover it failed on a rear trailing arm bush and a CV gaiter, and was advised on the other trailing arm bush. When I got it re-tested I got the certificate and another advisory sheet...

[garbaldy]

Is this 'advisories removed' thing part of the change to the new certificate? When I took the Rover it failed on a rear trailing arm bush and a CV gaiter, and was advised on the other trailing arm bush. When I got it re-tested I got the certificate and another advisory sheet...

 

 

the advisories havent been removed just put on the new mot cert, suposedly saveing paper as all on one sheet of paper now, gotta think of the trees you know

[Conrad D. Conelrad]

Something like this should exist. One easy to remember page which checks the lot from the reg no, like accessible ANPR.

[mattblack]

...they can do any advisories which come up for the re-test (where they are subsequently removed).

 

It was this bit I curious about, as it seem to be a change to the old system. Unless Hirst means that the car is completly re-tested, and so gets a clean pass...?

[John F]

It should still only be a partial re-test, but when I take my Calibra back in I'm going to draw the tester's attention to the advisory & replaced brake discs (picked new ones up this afternoon). Let's see what happens then.

[scaryoldcortina]

When you do a re-test, even a partial one, you recheck both the failures and the advisories. Any advisory items that have been rectified get removed, ones that haven't don't. Simples.

 

Also, you have to realize that the "old" computer MoT was just a receipt too. OK, it was on special paper but VOSA were happy for us to leave that lying all over the office with the door unlocked where the old pre-computer handwritten ones were kept in the safe and all had to be accounted for by logging serial numbers.

 

Most of the car traders round here seem to bring the car for MoT after they have already agreed a sale on it so it goes with a full ticket. They all want a pass with no advisories but don't want to spend money repairing the car...

[John F]

The Cally passed its re-test today, and the advisories were removed as per SOC's comment above.