Mk10 Jaguar STOLEN

[Guest]

Glad its been returned, the state not..

 

What I don't get is the amount racers get the blame - yes theres numpties that race and do unfortunatly steal cars, but that tar's everyone.

 

Just a thought - If some "Pikey banger race" had the "balls" to nick the car, do you think they'd return/leave it? Its not the only one in the uk etc, it would be easy to hide/race without proof of what it was - the hard bit was already done? Whats to say it wasn't stolen by somebody, stripped to make them a fair few quid, sold on as a racer to make them more money than just pressing who has then seen this and promptly realised whats happened.

 

As to only racing stuff under 20, with a v5 etc, that would just mean hordes of cars getting weighed in without the parts being stripped for the owners clubs etc like the banger racers do, and just being squashed because there a basket case (Gloss paint goes a long way on a banger) or because the owners club dont want them? I sold a one owner from new dry stored 1979 volvo 244 for bangers because I didnt have a single offer from the owners clubs.

 

Far from suggesting that there arent muppets that need banning for life, and it's gutting to see stuff like this, but the tarring is silly at best. And the suggestion that 90% of stolen cars get raced is ludicrous - when did you last see mk1/2 escorts and Veedub campers raced?

[Cavcraft]

So you couldn't strip some cars and keep the V5 to race them then?

[morris_ital_lover]

In fairness what A-S anti-banger folk are generally trying to say is that they hate thieving pikey banger racing bastards and would much prefer it if non-thieving pikey but still banger racing folk wouldn't banger race old tin.

 

It is quite possible that it was stripped and then sent on to a banger racer, just as it is possible it was weighed in and bought from the yard or nicked for banger racing. There are pikes in banger racing and we don't like those pikeys but if you are honest in your practices no real problem. Escorts and Type 1s get nicked for parts we all know that its a different world where top notch ones are worth more than new BMWs.

 

But most importantly that it is a crying shame that someones project car has been vandalised and we wish them all the best in trying to restore the car.

 

m0rris

[Guest]

Perhaps I've misunderstood, but if it was sold to a legitimate and above-board banger racer who later found out they'd bought a stolen car, why would they just dump it somewhere?

 

If I found out I'd inadvertently been sold some stolen goods, I'd be straight onto the police about it.

[Lankytim]

The V5 idea won't work as many old cars have been sitting around for years and come with no paperwork. I recon only a long ban would deter thieves who steal cars to race.

 

JordanL, I enquired about your 244, but you decided to flog it to a racer! To be fair the racer did offer more than I was prepared to pay....

[Alexg]

Has it occured to some of you that it could very well have been the "scum" banger racing community which led to the return of this car at all. The vast majority would not knowingly touch a stolen car and there was a lot of interest shown in recovering this vehicle to its rightful owner

 

If anyone of any honesty or integrity had come across this car, it wouldn't be dumped in a layby.

 

Banger racers will always be 'tarred with the same brush' because this story is part of a constant theme. Perhaps rather than complaining to those who condemn them, Racers should take an obvious and active part in cleaning up the sport, preventing this sort of terrible thing from happening and reporting those who operate in this way to the authorities.

[BMC Dan]

Glad to see you got it back but very sorry to see the state it's now in. I'm with Hirst on this though, why was it simply abandoned rather than reported to the police or classic car press?

 

Pete-M wrote:

Banning any banger racing for cars over 20 years old is the way, I'd say.

 

Even Marinas?

[autofive]

stripped for spares, then made to look banger prepped perhaps?

 

a sneaky attempt at throwing the owner off the scent of the theif, and re-igniting the banger racing debate????

[Lankytim]

stripped for spares, then made to look banger prepped perhaps?

 

a sneaky attempt at throwing the owner off the scent of the theif, and re-igniting the banger racing debate????

 

Nah! Its probably been bought by someone to race, who has then been told its nicked and got rid of it ASAP. There could be any number of reasons why he didn't inform the police, maybe he just didn't want the aggro of getting the rozzers involved?

[scaryoldcortina]

stripped for spares, then made to look banger prepped perhaps?

 

a sneaky attempt at throwing the owner off the scent of the theif, and re-igniting the banger racing debate????

 

That's pretty crazy, even for you. Maybe it was stolen to order by Al-Qaeda for Osama Bin-Laden to race in the all arab pre '68 but they didn't need it anymore so it was dumped.

[Guest]

Nah! Its probably been bought by someone to race, who has then been told its nicked and got rid of it ASAP. There could be any number of reasons why he didn't inform the police, maybe he just didn't want the aggro of getting the rozzers involved?

Over the risk of them seeing you trying to get rid of it? It'd be a ballache, but I'd want to get the police involved straight away in that situation. Mostly to wash my hands of the car, secondly to get some payback on the thief who sold me it (being as that my purchase money would now be gone).

[Alexg]

^ ditto. These were untrustworthy people involved

[autofive]

stripped for spares, then made to look banger prepped perhaps?

 

a sneaky attempt at throwing the owner off the scent of the theif, and re-igniting the banger racing debate????

 

That's pretty crazy, even for you. Maybe it was stolen to order by Al-Qaeda for Osama Bin-Laden to race in the all arab pre '68 but they didn't need it anymore so it was dumped.

 

so you are saying theives cant act a little machiavellian?

[Lankytim]

Nah! Its probably been bought by someone to race, who has then been told its nicked and got rid of it ASAP. There could be any number of reasons why he didn't inform the police, maybe he just didn't want the aggro of getting the rozzers involved?

Over the risk of them seeing you trying to get rid of it? It'd be a ballache, but I'd want to get the police involved straight away in that situation. Mostly to wash my hands of the car, secondly to get some payback on the thief who sold me it (being as that my purchase money would now be gone).

 

The person who sold it to them would probably break their legs, or completely deny everything, which would then put them in the frame. They are, afterall in possession of a stolen car.

[scaryoldcortina]

Actually Tim, you have a point there. My experience of the scrap trade in general is that if you bring the police down on someone then they will hurt you. maybe your yard will mysteriously catch fire, maybe you will have a slight fall down some steps. It does happen, believe me. It is entirely possible that the buyer was so shit scared he dumped it in a layby.

[Alexg]

No excuse. If you are a sensible conscious person then you know not to buy a potentially dodgy motor from a guy you know will happily shoe-you-in.

[scaryoldcortina]

No excuse. If you are a sensible conscious person then you know not to buy a potentially dodgy motor from a guy you know will happily shoe-you-in.

 

 

what if you don't realize he's like that until you go back saying "here, I think this car is nicked" and 4 of his mates lock you in the boot for an hour then promise that if you say anything you are getting murdered? I buy a lot of cars from complete strangers. Sometimes it goes tits up. I have been the subject of mis-directed retribution for involving the law (wasn't me...) and also arrested for car theft after legitimately buying a car. All I'm saying is I can understand why someone might dump it and walk away.

[retrogeezer]

Just as an aside, the Avon Jaguar estate mentioned above was obtained through the scrappage scheme would you believe. Unfortunately it was a solid shell but please don't blame the racer for that one - blame the clown putting it through he scheme

 

Still could have been used to re-shell a rotten one with some vin tag replacement!

[Guest]

Just as an aside, the Avon Jaguar estate mentioned above was obtained through the scrappage scheme would you believe. Unfortunately it was a solid shell but please don't blame the racer for that one - blame the clown putting it through he scheme

 

Still could have been used to re-shell a rotten one with some vin tag replacement!

 

 

As I understand it , that is not how it works. I believe the only way the driver got hold of it was on the premis that the car was returned intact to the scrap yard where it had to be cubed to the extent that even the parts stripped off the car had to be replaced before being scrapped

[michael1703]

End result is the car is now uneconomical to restore, last set of wings i saw for mk10/420g sold for £750 each, you now need bumpers,grille,glass etc etc

 

The owner might as well sell it to a banger racer now ironically

 

 

Banger racing is not my thing, but I can see why people like to compete in it and watch it, the problem is this particular class of racing, if they want to smash something to shit then create a class for more plentiful cars, the production figures of 50's/60's/70's werent that high to start with and the survival figures even less, classes that get rid of all the plentiful shitters that end up in scrappers is the way it should be

[dollywobbler]

Banger racing is not my thing, but I can see why people like to compete in it and watch it, the problem is this particular class of racing, if they want to smash something to shit then create a class for more plentiful cars, the production figures of 50's/60's/70's werent that high to start with and the survival figures even less, classes that get rid of all the plentiful shitters that end up in scrappers is the way it should be

 

That's the way I feel. It would be ok if it really was just 'beyond hope' cars but it isn't. People go out and seek cars specifically to race them. Yes, they sell parts on and yes, they might let a car go to a restorer, but then I'm sure many murderers are quite polite if you meet one. There's now a mentality that encourages people to deliberately seek out 'shocking' and rare cars just to destroy them with no regard whatsoever for our heritage.

 

I accept that you can't save them all, and that some 'restorers' also let cars go to waste and that there are decent racers out there, but the truth is that as long as pre-68 is happening, cars will unnecessarily be totalled and there WILL continue to be 'Hero' games. Like the Practical Classics Mk1 Granada...

[Guest]

Other than the front wings been folded , have any other holes been punched in it for cages etc ? Maybe asking the banger comunity if they have compleate wings/bonnet they would be willing to swap for your ruined parts or for any spares to replace the bits that have gone missing could help get the restoration back on track .

In my experiance 99% of banger drivers, their coat hangers and fans are decent people.

 

http://www.spedeworth.co.uk/feature2.php?id=21

[Guest]

All PRE 68 cars that restores don't want to pay for but racers will should and will end up on track and be wasted off to rusty tin heaven.

[Guest]

All PRE 68 cars that restores don't want to pay for but racers will should and will end up on track and be wasted off to rusty tin heaven.

 

And what about the cars the banger racers don't want to pay for, eh?

 

Let's have some balance. I know lots of sound banger racers, and loads of restorers who are bell ends. This car had an owner, and was in the process of being restored, slowly. So there's no question of whether this car should have ended up on track. It shouldn't have, ever, because it was spoken for.

 

I'm pleased this car got returned but I bet the people behind all of this never come forward. Pity, because lots of folk are making them out to be whiter than white. How very fucking strange that they dumped the car rather race or return it in person. God knows how matters like this get sorted in legislative terms but something needs to be done so that the honest types who acquire and race cars legally aren't tarnished by the actions of an active minority of thieves. Amongst the cars stolen to race that we know about - the PC Mk1 Granada, Cibi's 180 SSS Datsun, the Plymouth Satellite estate, Nigel Bickle's 411, and straightsix's Mk 10 - how many others disappear into the ether?

 

Fuck it, I don't know why I'm bothering to comment. The majority of banger racers don't seem to give a shit otherwise they'd weed out the people ruining their public reputation. The police and DVLA aren't interested because there isn't the revenue to pursue or the manpower to administer it.

Meanwhile, the enmity based on half truths continues to grow between the banger racers and the restoration crowd. Banger racing resists every suggestion or attempt to regulate itself beyond the current organisational bodies, so cases like this will continue to slip through the net.

[banger-driver]

I am a banger driver and i dont always know what i am buying and i expect it will be the same for the restorers.

The way you talk about us is unfair as a majority are decent honest people that just have a hobby and do somthing with our time.

We work hard to prep our cars and also cost a fortune to get them to and from the track with the rising fuel costs and then we keep the cars going throughout the day to put on a show for the spectators. Why would you ban the the pre68 meetings etc if there wasnt people stripping these cars the spares would be alot harder for you "restorers" to get hold of, i dont agree with any type of theft but is it really fair to blame a banger driver as soon as 1 goes missing? Just think all of you classic car owners the more that gets raced the rarer your car becomes and therefore would be worth alot more money. Why dont all of you people that slag banger drivers come to a race track have a chat with some of the drivers or even ask them for something and i bet they would do their best to help you out. We dont slag you restorers or enthusiasts out on our site, in fact if you have something to say why dont you say it to our faces rather than hiding behind your keyboard (your sooo brave) anyway thats my views.

[Cavcraft]

You don't know what you're buying? The easiest way to make sure is to check the V5 and make sure all the numbers are right and the VIN plate doesn't look tampered with.

[banger-driver]

You don't know what you're buying? The easiest way to make sure is to check the V5 and make sure all the numbers are right and the VIN plate doesn't look tampered with.

 

Not all cars have a V5 with them, however i do check the chassis plates. Some cars have been sat around for a couple of years and the paperwork gets misplaced

[Cavcraft]

You don't know what you're buying? The easiest way to make sure is to check the V5 and make sure all the numbers are right and the VIN plate doesn't look tampered with.

 

Not all cars have a V5 with them, however i do check the chassis plates. Some cars have been sat around for a couple of years and the paperwork gets misplaced

 

Priceless.

[tonedepear]

in fact if you have something to say why dont you say it to our faces rather than hiding behind your keyboard (your sooo brave)

 

...4 of his mates lock you in the boot for an hour then promise that if you say anything you are getting murdered?

[banger-driver]

You don't know what you're buying? The easiest way to make sure is to check the V5 and make sure all the numbers are right and the VIN plate doesn't look tampered with.

 

Not all cars have a V5 with them, however i do check the chassis plates. Some cars have been sat around for a couple of years and the paperwork gets misplaced

 

Priceless.

 

You think how many cars are sat up in barns for years do you think that every car is sold with a V5? It is not illeagal to buy it without one. Also having the V5 does not mean that you are the leagal owner of the car it clearly states that on it.