How the mighty fall!

[Peter C]

Once, when new, the high spec ones cost £50k+.

 

 

Now, the P38 Range Rover screams I want to look like I've got loads of money but all I can afford is a £3k Range Rover!

 

Whilst an older Merc or BMW can still pull it off, these old things just look cheap, especially when fitted with an EBay sourced set of Khan 22 inch rims, innit.

 

The current model or the Sport version are cool, but give it 10 years and you'll see plenty on parked up in council estates.

 

Oddly enough, a narrow body early BMW X5 still looks relatively fresh and Mercedes ML Mk1s work for me. Japs don't do luxury 4x4s as far as I'm concerned.

[pogweasel]

CARS IN DEPRECIATION SHOCKER.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

P38's do look council, and so now do the later ones because they can be bought for 10 grand on the never never by council thugz moving up from the '38.

The only 4x4 to have escaped the council taint is the Volvo XC90 - still quite Yummy Mummy and the dealers seem to have swerved them.

 

P38's are 3 grand because they're rubbish.

[morris_ital_lover]

The only 4x4 to have escaped the council taint is the Volvo XC90 - still quite Yummy Mummy and the dealers seem to have swerved them.

 

P38's are 3 grand because they're rubbish.

 

Yeah... XC90s are fairly crap from what I've heard... possibly too crao to become council. I know someone who had one and with the first year, the door cards has fallen off and crumbled and the engine management system said no and they couldn;t move it. :

 

m0rris

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

I've driven a fairly leggy 2006 XC90 and it was okay. The interior trim wasn't quite up to X5 standard but it was alright. The engine management issue is standard equipment on modern cars.

[Magnificent Rustbucket]

A standard one in decent condition still looks good to me.

[Shep Shepherd]

The P38 doesn't do much for me. The Classic, on the other hand (ideally a two-door version), does

[dollywobbler]

P38's are 3 grand because they're rubbish.

 

Very true. Also, I think you'll find that they're dropping below even this now. Mind you - when you can still get Classics for less than a grand, the P38s probably still have a bit more dropping to do.

 

The P38 is rather sandwiched by the full-on modern style (which I absolutey adore) and the Classic original (which I absolutely adore). The P38 was disappointing when it came out and plagued by over-complexity. I've driven a diesel and I honestly think my 2CV is faster. Not sure the 2CV wallows so much in the bends either...

 

Obviously I'd still have a P38, because I'm drawn to seriously crap cars like flies to shit.

[scruff]

I've driven nice ones and crap ones, a late 4.6 in a sober state of trim makes a mighty fine tool but they aren't my cup of tea, what with having door seals and a heater etc etc

[Alexg]

I think these Range Rovers have dated better than the Mk1 ML and look less pikey and wannabee than an early X5

[dollywobbler]

I've driven nice ones and crap ones, a late 4.6 in a sober state of trim makes a mighty fine tool but they aren't my cup of tea, what with having door seals and a heater etc etc

 

Truly a man o' shite! I quite like heaters. I don't like cars that have more wiring than my house.

[seth]

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Obviously I'd still have a P38, because I'm drawn to seriously crap cars like flies to shit.

 

I'd buy a V8 petrol one for 500 quid just for the craic in wintah and to strip it and sell it in bits come March

 

I don't object to the styling - they're a bit 'Metrocab' but they look better to me than the late 5 door Crassic RR.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Good Classics have been gong up in price for some time now, a £1k example will be total shed.

 

P38s are sadly still in that council estate hardman phase, I'd give it two years before they start to rise in price.

 

P38's will never go up in price. Like the XJ40 they were the inbetween model that nobody really liked, plus they are known to everyone as being utter rubbish and a disaster to keep going. I don't know anyone with a good word to say about them - ex owners and LR mechanics included. The original is slowly creeping up in value because the original versions of any iconic car always do. A seventies 2 door Rangey in a good colour with the original wheels is a funky thing.

[HillmanImp]

Irrespective of how they look, what are they like as a general car and an off road car? I assume they are better than most other manufacturers offerings in both leagues?

[dollywobbler]

The biggest problem is electrical stuff failing. It controls lots of stuff - including the air suspension (the bags of which can fail too). I think I've seen more on recovery trucks or at the side of the road with the bonnets up than I have on the road working.

 

They're obviously pretty good in the rough stuff as unlike a lot of Jap stuff, there's still plenty of axle articulation.

[Bren]

I am led to believe that our local constabulary dispensed with its fleet of traffic range rovers because some of them were on their third engine within 100K. They now run X5's.

 

Not good.

 

Realistically, £3k for a RR means you can get on the ladder, but it wont take much to go wrong and you'll be weighing it in.

 

You are quite right about the council estates scrotes and their 4x4 's - you see them parked outside their terraced houses, the car is usually worth more than the house.

 

No fuel in the tank, no food in the fridge, only stella. Reassuringly expensive.

[Magnificent Rustbucket]

Good Classics have been gong up in price for some time now, a £1k example will be total shed.

 

P38s are sadly still in that council estate hardman phase, I'd give it two years before they start to rise in price.

 

P38's will never go up in price. Like the XJ40 they were the inbetween model that nobody really liked, plus they are known to everyone as being utter rubbish and a disaster to keep going. I don't know anyone with a good word to say about them - ex owners and LR mechanics included. The original is slowly creeping up in value because the original versions of any iconic car always do. A seventies 2 door Rangey in a good colour with the original wheels is a funky thing.

 

I like the XJ40 so at least one person does. Though I suspect you are right that the P38 will never be a valuable car, once they are very rare I believe the value of the best cars will increase.

[eddyramrod]

Whilst an older Merc or BMW can still pull it off, these old things just look cheap, especially when fitted with an EBay sourced set of Khan 22 inch rims, innit.

 

 

 

Oddly enough, a narrow body early BMW X5 still looks relatively fresh and Mercedes ML Mk1s work for me. Japs don't do luxury 4x4s as far as I'm concerned.

 

Can't possibly agree. Japs, too many to cite here, but a friend of mine in UK has an early-90s Land Cruiser, which he loves. I can testify: it qualifies as a luxury car. BMW or Merc? NFW! I knew a farmer who had a new Range Rover every year since God was a boy, and he used them as intended, shooting off across his fields and all that. When the X5 came out he thought, I'll have a crack at that, and bought a gleaming black V8 one. 9 months later, he was back in a Rangie, and I suspect at least half of that was delivery time. He's stayed with RR since.

 

That said, 22 inch rims innit is absolutely reliable as a way to devalue your 4x4. There you are Peter, I found something to agree with in what you said!

[Nev]

P38 Range rover one of the worst cars i have ever owned, saying worst maybee thats a tad harsh, great when it worked but shame it did not much i bought a 4 year old one for 20 grand and it broke down in a big way about 6 times whilst it waws in my possesion for two years not counting all the other little faults! on the two occasions it worked it was great. but then the depreciation hits and i got 5 grand and an ex ploice 528i in its place Best one when the water pump went and outlaw118 came and towed me in with his old astra!

I have to say still the one to have, ml's are polished turds and x5's are not much better, terrible drive!

[Nev]

Irrespective of how they look, what are they like as a general car and an off road car? I assume they are better than most other manufacturers offerings in both leagues?

 

 

Better than the rest if you can put up with the unreliable aspect of owning one

[HillmanImp]

TBH, none of what's been said surprises me really. If people spent more money maintaining them rather than spending ££££££ on a personalised number plate and mk3 lights to make them look newer then they might last a bit longer.

 

I would roll in one, but would be scared of the repairs like you say. But I imagine most cars these days are overly complicated and have too many things that can (and do) go wrong on them. However I do not doubt for a second that these can be worse than most.

 

Saying that, my boss has a pretty new one and its been in the garage loads of times. Unless he has just changed the lights and popped on a personalised plate......

[Pete-M]

P38's are 3 grand because they're rubbish.

 

Very true. Also, I think you'll find that they're dropping below even this now. Mind you - when you can still get Classics for less than a grand, the P38s probably still have a bit more dropping to do.

 

The P38 is rather sandwiched by the full-on modern style (which I absolutey adore) and the Classic original (which I absolutely adore). The P38 was disappointing when it came out and plagued by over-complexity. I've driven a diesel and I honestly think my 2CV is faster. Not sure the 2CV wallows so much in the bends either...

 

Obviously I'd still have a P38, because I'm drawn to seriously crap cars like flies to shit.

 

Problem is, you cannot get a decent Classic for under a grand. I've owned a lot of them, and the days of cheap good ones are truly, truly over.

 

I've also had a P38a 4.6 HSE, in black with all the toys (genuine LR ones). It was a nicer car to drive than the Classic, handled better, was better off road, quieter, comfier, much better equipped, faster and no worse on fuel than a 3.9 Classic. Unfortunately, it was hampered massively by a huge oil consumption issue and a 50p seal on the heater matrix that would take 12 hours to replace.

 

Also used a 4.6 Vogue on an X for a good while. Nothing went wrong with that at all, and it was no worse on fuel than the XJR.

 

Problem with a P38 is it's similarity in looks to a Metrocab. Drive a black P38 through town on a Friday night and you'll get every pisshead in town trying to hail it.

 

 

The L322 is a magnificent piece of kit, but thanks to the EcoWanker / anti 4x4 brigade people won't buy 'em anymore. From 2002-2007 they sold hugely, so there'll be a load of them out there for sensible money. It happens with any old expensive car. Eventually they depreciate and get the 'council' tag, just because they're not all in expensive leafy estates in Berkshire any more. That's normally when I buy 'em.

[pogweasel]

 

 

The L322 is a magnificent piece of kit, but thanks to the EcoWanker / anti 4x4 brigade people won't buy 'em anymore. From 2002-2007 they sold hugely, so there'll be a load of them out there for sensible money. It happens with any old expensive car. Eventually they depreciate and get the 'council' tag, just because they're not all in expensive leafy estates in Berkshire any more. That's normally when I buy 'em.

 

Them L322's, now aren't they £435 a year to tax!??

(I'll repeat that. FOUR HUNDRED. AND THIRTY FIVE. QUID)

Reckon the weathly first owners are best putting them straight over the bridge, can't see there being ANY demand lower down the food chain.

 

On the subject of which...

What is the difference between these identically proportioned, identically engined Land Rovers...?

£220 a year on your road tax. Bonkers!

[Richard]

Is that because the first one is a van or did the changes take effect in the middle of the 57 registration period?

[pogweasel]

Exactly.

Two less windows makes it a "commercial vehicle", and they all get levied at the same rate (I think).

At the other end of the scale, when I had my Kangoo, that was a £180 a year BUMMING for tax, whereas a Clio or Micra with an identical powerplant would cost you £35.

All arse about face, and it makes it really bloody hard when trying to choose a motor these days...

[Cavcraft]

Exactly.

Two less windows makes it a "commercial vehicle", and they all get levied at the same rate (I think).

At the other end of the scale, when I had my Kangoo, that was a £180 a year BUMMING for tax, whereas a Clio or Micra with an identical powerplant would cost you £35.

All arse about face, and it makes it really bloody hard when trying to choose a motor these days...

 

Exactly.

 

Had a 206 1.4HDi van last year (I think) tax was £110 for 6 months 'because it's a commercial vehicle'.

[Richard]

My Transit is £200 a year, while a Tourneo with the same engine is £245.

[eddyramrod]

It's the same here, L200 is way cheaper to tax than a Pajero (just for example). Hence my Vauxuzu pickup!

[Albert Ross]

My 1970 109 2a just keeps going up in value. Free tax, cheap insurance, selectable 4x4, commercial van body. Win all the way. And still nobody wants to pinch it, cos it looks like a pile of shit.