Emissions Zone Friendly Shite

[Rustybullethole]

A place to 'celebrate' all the fine vehicles one previously didn't consider in the days where they were hung up on bad vehicles which killed the planet.

Here we'll ignore the fact you can pay to pollute, because let's face it many can't. Am also discounting the 40 (and a bit) year exemption and concentrating on the oldest and most interesting* vehicles one can own and use inside a low emissions zone.

Had to do a bunch of research for all my purchases of late which is both depressing and boring. Maybe this thread will help a few people when faved with this stark choice for a compliant car or if you're really fucked, van. 

Saw this in the under a grand thread and got me thinking is it ain't it. 

Ulez checker says yes.

Older than our current 04 and 05 Berlingo and Clio and though I know older vehicles than that can be compliant many newer (petrols of course) aren't.

A list may help. Have failed to find such online. Am crap at looking though. 

Or maybe this thread will dive and die. We shall see. 

[wesacosa]

A general rule of thumb is that a good chunk of petrol engines from late  2000 onwards are probably compliant, especially ones in cars that were new at the time and not a mid 90s model coming to the end of its life.   Another good gauge is that if the same car/engine combination ran through to 2005/6 the earlier ones probably meets the standards and can be made compliant by a certificate of conformity 

Some interesting early 2000s ones off the top of my head that sneak into ulez are some smaller engined Alfa 156s, Mk1 Lagunas and mk1 Focus

I suspect it would be difficult to get a certificate of conformity for anything much earlier than 98/99 even if the car meets the required emissions levels but each manufacturer is different 

every petrol post 2006 should be complaint

[cms206]

Generally speaking it's petrols registered after 2/3/01 (ie, Y-reg or newer) and diesels after 2016.

1 hour ago, wesacosa said:

Some interesting early 2000s ones off the top of my head that sneak into ulez are some smaller engined Alfa 156s, Mk1 Lagunas and mk1 Focus

When I was in That London I was keeping an eye out for a Y-reg petrol Escort Finesse but the handful I saw were terminally rotten or enthusiastically priced. X-reg ones are non-compliant, Y-reg ones are.

[AnnoyingPentium]

1 hour ago, Rustybullethole said:

Most, if not all, petrol Fabias were Euro 4 from about 2001 or so. Pretty sure @robt100 could maybe confirm that.

[Rustybullethole]

32 minutes ago, cms206 said:

Generally speaking it's petrols registered after 2/3/01 (ie, Y-reg or newer) and diesels after 2016.

When I was in That London I was keeping an eye out for a Y-reg petrol Escort Finesse but the handful I saw were terminally rotten or enthusiastically priced. X-reg ones are non-compliant, Y-reg ones are.

Yes though the general rule seems to work more with derv than pez. Din't know that about the Escorts though thanks. Just the sort of info that stops one setting their heart on a fine steed  before running it through the checker and seeing their dreams flushed down the shitter. 

[horriblemercedes]

7 minutes ago, Rustybullethole said:

Yes though the general rule seems to work more with derv than pez. Din't know that about the Escorts though thanks. Just the sort of info that stops one setting their heart on a fine steed  before running it through the checker and seeing their dreams flushed down the shitter. 

Well, yeah. Euro 6 for diesel and that's it. 

Petrols will pass if they meet Euro 4 petrol emissions. Most Euro 3 petrols meet that standard and some euro 2 do, but as the necessary information wasn't taken or recorded on the V5, they need a certificate of conformity. 

 

It's not "seems", that's just how it works

[Rustybullethole]

55 minutes ago, horriblemercedes said:

Well, yeah. Euro 6 for diesel and that's it. 

Petrols will pass if they meet Euro 4 petrol emissions. Most Euro 3 petrols meet that standard and some euro 2 do, but as the necessary information wasn't taken or recorded on the V5, they need a certificate of conformity. 

 

It's not "seems", that's just how it works

Told.

So it is that 2016 Derv is the cut off petrol erm, not so much. Excuse my ignorance though I personally still find it hard to find which petrol is gonna/ain't gonna avoid bummage without checking the checker. Which is as they say these days. Bare long bruv.

If anyone has or knows of definitive listings that would be a godsend.

 

[robt100]

2 hours ago, AnnoyingPentium said:

Most, if not all, petrol Fabias were Euro 4 from about 2001 or so. Pretty sure @robt100 could maybe confirm that.

I'm afraid im not too clued up on the petrol models. I think they may have been though.

[lisbon_road]

Might not be what you have in mind, but the most extreme vehicles must be motorbikes.  Unlike cars, they can be tested for compliance, and there's stuff on youtube about it.  Apparently it costs £175.  Because ULEZ is primarily about NOX emissions, two stroke motorbikes manage to generally pass the test as they run so inefficiently with such low peak temperatures that they tend to have very low NOX levels - but not obviously low levels of particulates, hydrocarbons and CO. 

I guess the number involved must be small, just one of those loop holes you get in everything.

[horriblemercedes]

1 hour ago, Rustybullethole said:

Told.

So it is that 2016 Derv is the cut off petrol erm, not so much. Excuse my ignorance though I personally still find it hard to find which petrol is gonna/ain't gonna avoid bummage without checking the checker. Which is as they say these days. Bare long bruv.

If anyone has or knows of definitive listings that would be a godsend.

 

There are Euro 6 diesels from 2014 onwards, but all cars are Euro 6 from September 2015. From then, all new cars had to comply with Euro 6. Some makers simply did it a bit earlier than others. 

 

That list would be very difficult to make as it would be incredibly long! On Euro 3 petrols, it just depends on whether the NOx number on the V5 is above or below 0.08. If it's above, the car is charged. If it's below, the car is not charged. 

 

This was the number which was mandated as the limit for petrol in Euro 4 and diesel for Euro 6, hence those being the emissions thresholds for the charge. 

The vast majority of Euro 3 petrols have an NOx number below 0. 08 on the V5, but not all. Some Euro 2 petrols will meet that requirement too, but it isn't on the V5 as that data wasn't recorded then. For those, you have to get a certificate of compliance from the manufacturer (the manufacturer may or may not have the records and may or may not help. Good luck if you have a Rover or Saab!) 

 

A list of Euro 2 and 3 cars which meet Euro 4 NOx limits could be made, but it would be very long! 

 

 

 

[bub2006]

I believe our MK1 focus 2.0 auto is compliant,I know my 1.6 scenic on a 56 plate definitely is. Bikes are odd though, you'd have thought of they wanted to cut congestion then bikes would be welcomed over cars. Same can be said for anywhere too,why make bike test so convoluted and the tax to be so much higher than cars? A 125 is more expensive to tax than my bro in laws 2015 diesel insignia. 

[horriblemercedes]

26 minutes ago, bub2006 said:

I believe our MK1 focus 2.0 auto is compliant,I know my 1.6 scenic on a 56 plate definitely is. Bikes are odd though, you'd have thought of they wanted to cut congestion then bikes would be welcomed over cars. Same can be said for anywhere too,why make bike test so convoluted and the tax to be so much higher than cars? A 125 is more expensive to tax than my bro in laws 2015 diesel insignia. 

A 56 plate petrol must be compliant as it would be Euro 4 or possibly early Euro 5 (unlikely) 

I think you're conflating two things. The low emissions charges are to reduce levels of nitrogen oxides in the local atmosphere, not congestion. A reduction in traffic congestion may (or may not) be a side effect. 

[bub2006]

10 minutes ago, horriblemercedes said:

A 56 plate petrol must be compliant as it would be Euro 4 or possibly early Euro 5 (unlikely) 

I think you're conflating two things. The low emissions charges are to reduce levels of nitrogen oxides in the local atmosphere, not congestion. A reduction in traffic congestion may (or may not) be a side effect. 

Sorry,I should have elaborated slightly. Air quality would reduce if congestion was reduced. Less traffic,less congestion. I don't think for one minute it's a grand idea though. I don't like fleecing motorists whichever way they can. Sorry for confusion. 

[Dobloseven]

1 hour ago, horriblemercedes said:

There are Euro 6 diesels from 2014 onwards, but all cars are Euro 6 from September 2015. From then, all new cars had to comply with Euro 6. Some makers simply did it a bit earlier than others. 

 

That list would be very difficult to make as it would be incredibly long! On Euro 3 petrols, it just depends on whether the NOx number on the V5 is above or below 0.08. If it's above, the car is charged. If it's below, the car is not charged. 

 

This was the number which was mandated as the limit for petrol in Euro 4 and diesel for Euro 6, hence those being the emissions thresholds for the charge. 

The vast majority of Euro 3 petrols have an NOx number below 0. 08 on the V5, but not all. Some Euro 2 petrols will meet that requirement too, but it isn't on the V5 as that data wasn't recorded then. For those, you have to get a certificate of compliance from the manufacturer (the manufacturer may or may not have the records and may or may not help. Good luck if you have a Rover or Saab!) 

 

A list of Euro 2 and 3 cars which meet Euro 4 NOx limits could be made, but it would be very long! 

 

 

 

Our Ssangyongs Korando is definitely Euro 5,but because it was an end of line model, registered after September 2015 it was given a free pass,as it were.

[AnnoyingPentium]

3 hours ago, robt100 said:

I'm afraid im not too clued up on the petrol models. I think they may have been though.

I'll check when I'm home then, got some launch era brochures.