so the scrappage fuego pics.

[Mr Lobster]

^ Thing is though, at that level a main dealer won't be interested in retailing a car at that price irrespective of how much profit there is in it. If a car books at £1250 in GG then they will want to give less than that as £1250 is what they can expect at auction. But they still have to pay auction fees, transport and such like so will offer less than any 'trade' value.£300 does sound cheap though.Actually, a certain dealer group who shall not be named decided to start retailing all their p/x stuff about ten years ago. Allocated a set area on the forecourt, brought in portacabins and bunting and retailed the p/x tat once it had been through the workshop.Recon costs were enormous but given the fact that the cars had a very healthy markup and most were sold on finance it was a very profitable operation.But most main dealers won't retail anything over about five years old normally.

[garbaldy]

^ Thing is though, at that level a main dealer won't be interested in retailing a car at that price irrespective of how much profit there is in it. If a car books at £1250 in GG then they will want to give less than that as £1250 is what they can expect at auction. But they still have to pay auction fees, transport and such like so will offer less than any 'trade' value.£300 does sound cheap though..

yes i hear what your saying but a 2000 golf is always going to be worth more than £300 the £1250 price was the trade price not the fourcourt price.the dealer that bought it off me said that he would stick on his lot for a sellers fee but it was better to just let it go for the offer he made.afterall my brother got an extra couple off grand off his new one so the extra 650 was a bonus.Still i wouldnt recomend the pushy dealer who tried to entice him into a dodgy scrapage deal

[Richard]

If it's the dealer group I'm thinking of I had a look at their "bargain" stock once.

[Talbotman]

Come on now!! Giving 4k for the fuego con con con!! - Write back the figures on the paperwork and do the the done thing.........this car can and should be saved.

[greengartside]

How can the car be saved Talbotman? That COD thats issued when it's crushed is the death knell for the Fuego and it's pretty imminent now :(Just wish there was some sort of loophole that exists which meant I could 'swap' the vehicle to be crushed with some other relic that's falling to bits and polluting the atmosphere...

[ChinaTom]

Sorry - have I not been paying attention? Is that a Tagora in Talbotman's signature?

[fiatdaft]

nice to here a bit of support from more established members,but some of the newer ones haven't really got a clue about how things work in the real world,couple of knocks about my job aswell,what what you do?1 k tayne? how the fuck do you work that out?

[retro80sboy]

nice to here a bit of support from more established members,but some of the newer ones haven't really got a clue about how things work in the real world,couple of knocks about my job aswell,what what you do?1 k tayne? how the fuck do you work that out?

can't see how its your fault at all to be honest. Its the Governments 'fault' and the people who are scrapping perfectly good motors.I think its great that you have posted the pics on here as its good to know, (although sad to see) the cars that this crazy scheme is taking.

[sporty-shite]

It would only have taken £1k to save the Feugo, not the 3 or 4 thats being bandied about.

I did think this, seeing as a grand comes from the Govt,and the rest is "found" by the dealer/manufacturer. By that thinking, the dealer/manufacturer could subsidise a non-scrappage deal by the same amount. Or will the manufacturer only stump up if a car is scrapped?However, would anyone pay even a grand for that Fuego? I very much doubt it, so it's fate is sealed.

[retro80sboy]

Once a car has been vandalised with an aftermarket sunroof there's no way back anyway.

Last year I picked up a very rough but taxed and tested VW Golf mk 1 (2 door) for £70. I ran it around for a couple of months then stuck it up for sale for £250.A chap from a garage on the wirrel who specialised in doing up and selling classic cars came to see it and was more worried about the custom sunroof than the general state of the engine, gearbox and rough bodyshell!he did buy it but said if it didnt have the sunroof it would be far more desirable.

[Mr Lobster]

I did think this, seeing as a grand comes from the manufacturer/dealer

Manufacturers only pay on scrappage vehicles. Not on carsthatweresupposedtobescrappedbuthaven'tbeen. Dealers don't contribute to the scheme although some dealers will offer additional discounts. In this case the dealer has bought a billionty new Vauxhalls obviously at a considerable discount so can offer a discount in addition to the scrappage allowance.On the typical new car though - Picantos, Pandas and the like the dealers margin is so small that they won't offer any discount on the list price other than the scrappage allowance.

[strangehighways]

I think the reason this episode is sad is because:-- it was traded in for one of the worst cars you can buy.- it is a Renault Fuego and they are pretty rare.That said, I don't blame the garage. The owner is a Muppet though. How can anyone go from a Fuego to a Corsa.

[fiatdaft]

2 k from us1k from government (thats making a profit due to the vat)1k from manufacturerno cod no cash, what do you do for a living?

[retro80sboy]

The owner is a Muppet though. How can anyone go from a Fuego to a Corsa.

sad thing is the uneducated who just see cars for going 'a to b' will see that as a MASSIVE step up.they will see it as trading an unfashionable unreliable old banger for a brand new 'reliable' car under warranty.I know as a lot of people I know think im crazy for 'collecting old bangers'. My ex girlfriend even refused to ride in my Capri!, hence she is now my ex.

[pogweasel]

what do you do for a living?

I travel back in time to WWII, shoot innocent jews in the back and fling their bodies into a mass grave. Well, if I didn't do it, someone else would do it......Wouldn't want to rock the boat or lose my commission on the body count. Bit of a harsh parallel to draw with what you are doing, but it's a parallel nonetheless.

[HillmanImp]

You are 60 yrs old, you have had this shitty Renner for years, its worth sweet FA, you get a good price on a new easy to drive car that's good for the rest of your lifetime Corsa. Its a good deal.In our eyes it awful, getting rid of a rare car, in their eyes it is a right deal. And they are right. Its not their fault, its the policy that's at fault. If i had fucking arthritus i would want a Corsa over a friggin' Fuego. Especially at 4k discount.Dont blame the muppets that are trading them in or FiatDaft for having to earn a living.

[fiatdaft]

parallel? hardlythe owners of the cars have a choice,the jews didn't .bit disrespectful there.

[garbaldy]

And i am a head gardener for a large estate.yes not car related one bit, but ive had my fare share off dealings with the car trade as i used to be a mechanic in a ford main dealership and have also bought and sold more than my fare share off motors For the past couple off months we have been looking for a new family modern and i have to say that the dealers dont apear to be to atall intrested in doing a deal is that becauseA we are not intrested in a scrapage deal or B we dont want to take out finance

[fiatdaft]

c. your going to the wrong garaged if you say you have been looking at a new car for months,most commision earning sales people drop you like a hot tattie.

[pogweasel]

Oh, I am sorry for my comments. Let's all give you a round of applause. Well done for binning off all these old motors! When I pay my taxes at the end of the month I'll take great pleasure in knowing that a small part of them is going towards keeping you in cheap suits and your customers in shiny new Corsa's. HOORAY FOR SCRAPPAGE. I'm just off for a jostle over a pic of Peter Mandleson (with rat-face moustace.)L8RZ.

[garbaldy]

c. your going to the wrong garaged if you say you have been looking at a new car for months,most commision earning sales people drop you like a hot tattie.

now im hardly going to go into a garage and tell them ive been looking for months now am i tried 3 skoda dealers as i fancied an octavia vrs they offered dire trade in prices and never called back when they said they would still waiting on a test drive as they never had a demonstrator or so the said.tried 2 seat garages same thing and now ive given up till january as hopefully once the scrapage bollox ends then i may get some decent service

[fiatdaft]

cheap suits? hardly,and i thought you weren't working at the moment ,so it won't be that much tax from you will it?and if you did have a clue you would realise it is not costing taxpayers a penny,the vat profit is expected to be over £150 million.why you so sore at me?is it because you had to refund me the money from the retro cars mags sale that you had tried to do me out off?L8RZ

[HillmanImp]

 

what do you do for a living?

I travel back in time to WWII, shoot innocent jews in the back and fling their bodies into a mass grave.

Well, if I didn't do it, someone else would do it......

Wouldn't want to rock the boat or lose my commission on the body count.

 

Bit of a harsh parallel to draw with what you are doing, but it's a parallel nonetheless.

[sporty-shite]

Let's face it, everyone, this Fuego was never going to see the road again. OP has already said that it had been sat in a garage unused for years, and that it only got taxed and tested to qualify for scrappage. If scrappage hadn't existed, the owner would still have bought his daughter a new Corsa (or similar) and that Fuego would have sat rotting in the lock up until the owner got fed up and scrapped it anyway.Scrappage may be flawed, but it's doing what it was designed to do, which is sell cars. PS, Pog, I find it more than distasteful that you can compare mass genocide to the scrapping of an old car. I thought better of you.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Let's be brutally honest here:A 1983 Renault Fuego with a pop up sunroof is a worthless piece of shit, an example of a very average car that was forgotten decades ago and isn't fondly remembered by anybody. If it was a mint 1983 Capri 2.8i there would have been far more awareness as to it's potential value but a Fuego? What the fuck is a Renault Fuego?Given the fact that a 1983 Fuego is worth NOTHING (I wouldn't give you a cup of cold piss for it), a four grand discount off a new Corsa for NOTHING is really a bit of a deal. Hell, I would do it!Most of the scrappage stuff is worthless old crap - Rover 600's, old Volvos, Puntos and Vectras, stuff that would have been in a scrapyard within 2 years anyway.What does piss me off is when some thick twat weighs in a clean 1953 Morris Minor, or a tidy 1998 Audi A4 1.9TDi or anything else that was of genuine interest or really did have a value that could be measured in a multiple denomination of fifty pound notes rather than fivers.

[garbaldy]

yes that is mabe true but if he had kept it so long rather than pass it on while still on the road then surelly he must have liked the car,if he had to mot it then it must not have required a great deal off work and expense or he wouldnt have bothered.

[Richard]

I know somebody who was desperately trying to buy a brand new car earlier this year but she couldn't get anybody to sell her one, I think she gave up in the end. She had particularly harsh words for Evans Halshaw.

[fiatdaft]

bluejeans you are right,when we have to move some of the scrappage stuff from the trade yard to the transporter you would not want them driving to close to you the cars really are scrap.if scrappage car pics offend,THEN DON'T LOOK

[pogweasel]

FFS.

I was trying to point out the flaws in the guys arguements / ethos.

Sorry if I offended.

It was intended to be inflammatory rather than offensive.

 

But as I am clearly an unemployed oaf* without a clue, who rips people off**, I'd best shut up.

 

 

 

* I have had 12 weeks out of work in 10 years, for which I recieved the princely sum of £60 a week. Given that for the last few years I ventured into top bracket income tax, I don't think that was too much to ask. I now run my own business which is doing pretty OK thankyou very much.

 

** I am not sure what you're on about, really having traded thousands of magazines, I can't remember every single transaction, though if something dis go awry I apologise. I am sure those who have traded stuff whith me who are memebers here would vouch that I don't set out to rip anyone off...

[fiatdaft]

evans halshaw are that bad i pick up a couple of sales a month from them.