Reshell?

[Eddie Honda]

The legal position is it needs to be a Q-plate if reshelled into a second hand shell.

 

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/radically-altered-vehicles

 

No, the position may be age-related plate based on youngest scoreable part. The GT Turbo was discontinued 1991. Therefore the official route to venture down would be "reconstructed classic"

 

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/reconstructed-classic-vehicles

[Pillock]

Step one. Ask to have this thread moved to the secret bit that people can't see.

 

Step two. Do whatever you think is right.

[PiperCub]

Step three: Don't tell anyone - ever.

[Eddie Honda]

Bit late for that.

 

If it's a rusty pile o' shite, sack it off and look for a tasty beige Monaco

[SherpaMog]

This x 1000

Do you have anywhere to store the Turbo shell once you strip it?

As you now know there would be money in getting it repaired in the future,even if its a couple of years

Then you could transplant the running gear from the r5 back into the Turbo shell once you've had your fun.....

That actually sounds like a plan, I can amass the parts needed at a slow place, I don't care about originality of the secondary car, I just want to have some fun. A properly restored turbo will fetch $ in the future.

I'm absolutely sure I could store it somewhere dry and strip and blast it.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

While it's a car you'd like to keep, if you do need to sell then a re-shell presents it's own unique problems. 

 

If you aren't upfront and honest about it then that would be treated as fraud if the new owner found out and thought they were buying a 'Real' 5GT. If you are honest about it (and put it clearly on any receipt and keep a signed/dated copy for the future) then any prospective owner will not be prepared to pay 5GT money for something that will never be viewed as the real thing. While that may seem silly and a bit anal, it's the way pretty much anyone who's into this type of car will be so that's the way it is.

 

As an example, my 205GTi, I bought it from a garage (for once), it was & is immaculate, if the Johnny selling it to me said something like

"Yes, it's real immaculate, it's all original parts built into a v.low mileage 1 litre 205 Junior shell as the original shell was rusted/munted beyond saving"

then I would have thanked him for his time and made a swift exit. No fucking way was I paying £4.5K for what was in effect, a 205 Junior dressed up with GTi bits, I don't care how low mileage/low owner/pretty it was, that would have been worth about (at the time) £1K as a bit of fun car. 

At the end of the day, the shell is the car, the car is the shell, you can't really get away from that. 

 

Now you are free to think that's stupid as it's still effectively the same car but that's simply not how it is viewed in the old car world. The same goes when older cars get replacement engines, it's the old chesnut of 'Matching numbers' raising it's head, if it isn't then it'll be worth less to someone who wants one. 

 

 

 

 

 

5 GT Turbos are now so rare that, like Mexicos, RS2000's and so on, enthusiasts will eventually pay $$$$$ for anything that's nice and correct spec. These cars all had a very hard life and there are almost none left in everyday use. Of course, the original unmolsted cars are always worth more.

I built a 1965 1275S from a V5, a mint 850 shell and parts bought here there and everywhere. The end result was a 1965 1275S correct in every detail.  The buyer was informed of the reshell, and didn't give a flying one because as he said, 'haven't they all?' I got top dollar for it as well - £7500 in 1992.

 

Fuck welding up a rotten shell when a rust free shell can be bought for 500 quid.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

I'm absolutely sure I could store it somewhere dry .

 

 

It's called a foundry, best place for it.

 

Seriously, don't bother. Just build a decent straight car from a good used shell and hoon about in it.

[vaughant]

I've reshelled a few cars over the years and the shit people spout about it is incredible. Why on earth would swapping out parts from one car into another require a q registration? Total horseshit, that's if you altered​ the monocoque, used a non registered shell, bought a stolen car without id/history etc. And yes I've had a few q plate cars as well, no hassle insuring them or anything else, handy for emissions as well as they follow 1973 regs!!!

 

By swapping all your original parts into a newer shell, you're simply upgrading a campus to a turbo but the v5 will still read as a campus. Insurance is easy enough as it's just a modified car but yes it won't have the value of a Turbot but that's not what you're after, you want an useable 5 rather than a rusty heap.

 

Then, as stated above you can transfer the g plate of the original as a privates number plate.

That would be the most lawful way for sure.

As for anything else is effectively "ringing" as in your swapping an id over but it's deffo not ringing because you haven't gone out and stolen a turbo, used a campus id too try and drive some poor saps pride and joy about.

 

Don't go welding over numbers etc, flatten them off with a hammer, swap vin plates and that's your id done if you feel you have to, but it could potentially cause future issues however FFS a car of that age and French-Ness has probably rotted out around the number area anyway so even if you​ do bother to repair your original (which I would highly recommend you DONT as the costs will be mental) you may have to end up cutting out numbers anyway so where's the difference?

 

Safest route is put your bits into a new shell and use the new shells numbers, no dvla involvement whatsoever.

 

Looking at their scoring system though you'd get the 8 points required easily as your using the original bits but don't involve them, do it if the grid, job done.

[Junkman]

I think there are quite a few differences between a turbo and the later basic cars cars, but that sounds like an excellent way to do it!

 

^^

This.

I suspect the differences already start in the structure of the tub.

[AlabamaShrimp]

I asked Mrs Shrimp (who doesn't give a shit about cars really) if you went to buy another Fiesta ST and the seller said or you found out it was ST bits stuck onto a different spec car would you buy it/be pissed off?

 

The answer was no/and very pissed off. She said it's not what it's meant to be just a look alike.

 

Her answer reminded me of the countless Cosworths out there...

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

So, if you rebuilt a car with a new unused shell, what would it be?

 

"Yeah mate, it's a 1996 Renault Unused with R5T running gear."

 

No different with a used shell. This would not be a Campus with R5T bits stuck on FFS. That's because you'd need to strip the donor car to a bare shell, every last bit of trim removed. That's when the new shell is modified to become.....an R5T shell. How would this be 'A Campus with R5T bits stuck on'?

 

And when the car is fully built up using the running gear, electrics, interior, all trim, bumpers, wheels (i.e everything that wasn't the bodyshell), would it still be a  'A Campus with R5T bits stuck on'?

 

No. It wouldn't.

 

Anyway, no point in speculating over a project that may or may not happen. These generate lots of talk but little action.

[Sir Snipes]

So, if you rebuilt a car with a new unused shell, what would it be?

 

"Yeah mate, it's a 1996 Renault Unused with R5T running gear."

 

No different with a used shell. This would not be a Campus with R5T bits stuck on FFS. That's because you'd need to strip the donor car to a bare shell, every last bit of trim removed. That's when the new shell is modified to become.....an R5T shell. How would this be 'A Campus with R5T bits stuck on'?

 

And when the car is fully built up using the running gear, electrics, interior, all trim, bumpers, wheels (i.e everything that wasn't the bodyshell), would it still be a 'A Campus with R5T bits stuck on'?

 

No. It wouldn't.

 

Anyway, no point in speculating over a project that may or may not happen. These generate lots of talk but little action.

The shell of the Campus will always be a Campus unless the identity were changed.

[mk2_craig]

Transferring the gt turbo reg mark to a later car is plausible but surely only if the gt turbo is taxed?

[sierraman]

Better transferred to a straight shell than one that's had done serious welding done to it.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

 

Anyway, no point in speculating over a project that may or may not happen. These generate lots of talk but little action.

[Crankshaft]

I'd do this:

 

Project Sleeper (beige)

 

Get a minty Campus, preferably BEIGE, transfer all the Turbo mechanicalness ONLY - keep it looking as much like a standard bASe model as possible. Steel wheels and everything. Ok, maybe just some slightly wider steel wheels if you must.

 

Then go out baiting people in Audis. It'll be ace.

[AlabamaShrimp]

^^very retro rides.....

[Hendry]

Personally speaking, even if you stripped a Campus to the bare shell and transferred every single part even down to nuts and bolts that were salvageable from the GT it will always be a Campus, maybe its my OCD or pickiness but id have to have a genuine one, and if I was buying what seemed like a very good replica, I still wouldnt buy it because it wasnt, isnt and never will be a genuine GT, Id only want one that left the factory as a genuine GT so if I reshelled id have to get the DVLA involved even if it was an utter ballache so its effectively a genuine one. 

 

Ive seen it quite a lot on the Vauxhall scene, Cavalier GSi2000s, Mantas, Astra mk3 GSis, and so on rebuilt into Merit, L, GLS shells, some really well done, cracking nice cars, but they will never be more than replicas. So for me it would have to be a brand new shell, fix the old one or somehow get the DVLAs point system to allow the new shell to get the old ones identity, I just think why go to all that hassle, time, effort, money spent and end up with a replica, if youre going to all that trouble youd be as well going to a bit more effort and doing it properly IMO. 

[stuboy]

a. are you planning on keeping it.

b. are you transfering over the right reg for the gt

 

 

id do it