Diesel scrapage scheme 2017

[SiC]

There's a big place called China. Does exactly what the fuck it likes and bollocks to the rest of the world.

 

Britain, always coming up with some stupid scheme to cut this or stop that. Always half thought out and never does what it's meant to. Still looks good on the news and ticks a few boxes.

Its not emissions affecting globally that are so much of an issue with Diesels, its the localised emissions affecting all our health. To be honest, a much better policy is to ban Diesels in densely populated areas and heavily restrict petrol vehicles.

[sierraman]

Can't see me trading in my diesel. The reason I have a 2004 Mondeo Diesel is because I fundamentally cannot afford a new one, some halfwits will end up part exing in the scrappage scheme onto something at £250 a month that they simply cannot afford to run.

 

What happens when interest rates rise? All these cheap PCP deals on new diesels won't last. Petit Bourgouise bastards!!! 😀

[Longblackcoat]

I'll not trade in my diesel. 700Nm of torque is hard to beat.

[conkerman]

In a couple of years, there will be a big scare about petrol emissions and the cycle will repeat. Burning stuff creates pollution.

They win, we lose.

 

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[SiC]

I was reading the other day in New Scientist that log burning stoves could massively increasing PM emissions (stuff bad for your lounges). Possibly even worse affect in cities than diesel pollution.

[tooSavvy]

So, anyone see that telly prog the other night... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06csy8c ... all about why Rudolph drowned!

 

No mention, so far, of 'over the horizon' = Ultra High Sulphur DE

 

 

TS

[Negative Creep]

Or they could do something about the trendy wood burning stoves that are so popular now. Even better, they could re-engineer roads to remove pointless bus lanes, chicanes, speed bumps, turn off or remove traffic lights at certain times of the day which would allow traffic to move more freely, cutting pollution and...........

 

 

 

No, that's just daft. Let's put even more in, that will solve the problem

[tooSavvy]

Or they could turn off or remove traffic lights at certain times of the day which would allow traffic to move more freely, cutting pollution and...........

 

When Carlisle suffered the 'Great Flood' (no... not that one >> The one before! ) the lights were pajjadd on the big roundabout, by the bridge going north.

 

Drivers petitioned the council to leave them off as it was MUCH LESS bother.... They are now 'part time'

 

 

TS

[AMC Rebel]

..... turn off or remove traffic lights at certain times of the day which would allow traffic to move more freely, cutting pollution and...........

 

I like the system they have on mainland Europe where the lights switch to flashing amber off peak.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Having seen a number of stinking, black smoking old shitters today (03 plate Passat, 04 Avensis) this is probably not a bad move.

[Pillock]

For all the hand wringing about pollution from transport the elephant in the room is animal agriculture, responsible for more co2 emissions than all transport combined including aviation.

Not to mention nitrous oxide and methane.

I hear they're doing a scheme where you can trade in a cow and get 25p off a cabbage.

[forddeliveryboy]

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[forddeliveryboy]

Or they could do something about the trendy wood burning stoves that are so popular now. Even better, they could re-engineer roads to remove pointless bus lanes, chicanes, speed bumps, turn off or remove traffic lights at certain times of the day which would allow traffic to move more freely, cutting pollution and...........

 

 

 

No, that's just daft. Let's put even more in, that will solve the problem

 

 

 

Too bloody right.

 

London's Ambulance Service boss did a back of the envelope calculation a while ago that 500 lives were lost every year through speed humps alone - slowing ambulances with a patient on board which paramedics couldn't do much for.

 

I wondered at the time how much extra pollution was caused by millions of vehicles constantly slowing then re-accelerating and being held in a lower gear than otherwise. Total madness - as usual, the cheapest solution (initially) to a problem which ends up costing lots.

[forddeliveryboy]

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[Squire_Dawson]

Lewis Mumford and Vance Packard should be required reading for these people. It upsets me when I see the capitalist machine in full tilt; make more money by making more waste. The idea is to bring the 'developing world' up to Western standards, which entails creating demand for consumer goods when previously there wasn't any, and have them cash in their bicycles for cars and sit in traffic jams for 3 hours a day on their commute with one person in a five-seater car. It's simple, really - business must make MONEY.

 

I find it ironic that much of the 'Third World' were actually far more advanced civilisations than the West throughout history, Indo-China for instance when in Britain people still daubed themselves in woad and dwelt in caves.

[fraser.innes.3]

... moreover.... the Govt will be watching me, as I make my UB claim >> I have £4,650 lying around (I planned to spunk 5k on a DaySheea but was saved by ToMM© @ £350)

 

TS

You need to have £16k before the cut it.

 

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[tooSavvy]

You need to have £16k before the cut it.

 

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.... well, more my attempt at weak humour there.... tax the breath in you, if they could [alternatively.. fill it with Particulates/close A+E]

 

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[tooSavvy]

cash in their bicycles Marbellas for [larger/more] cars and sit in traffic jams for 3 hours a day on their commute with one person in a five-seater car. It's simple, really - business must make MONEY.

 

I find it ironic that much of the 'Third World' Spanish were actually far more advanced civilisations than the West throughout [recent] history....

 

Travelling from the airport, on the Islands, thru the villages (before the M Way) showed the place totally unsuited to '2 car families'.

 

Chatting to a local, through the translation services of the barman, the old lady bemoaned that 'young girls want a car and an office job.... not being a nun, thesedays'....

 

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[garbaldy]

Having seen a number of stinking, black smoking old shitters today (03 plate Passat, 04 Avensis) this is probably not a bad move.

That's just it though it's the newer ones with the particles you can't see that are worse,

maybe we should ban all dizzlers then in a few years they will be back to picking on petrols.

[Chris2cv]

I have a 14 year old Clio diesel. It is a great little car, still goes fast when it needs to, but easily gets 60 to the gallon, and regularly quite a lot more. I am looking to buy a new car very soon as I have an inheritance that has to be spent on a new car. I will probably replace it with another one, or maybe a Dacia as cheaper. When I bought the Clio, diesel was very much encouraged by the government, now I am practically satan himself to be thinking of another one! But will they decide that petrol is bad when diesel sales slow down?

 

  I could buy electric, but keep my cars a long time (22 years so far for the 2cv) so would worry about long term costs. I could buy petrol but I like diesel! I am mean and I like economical cars!

 

  I recycle, and I am not wasteful in any way, indeed I keep far more than is neccessary or sensible! It would be nice if just once governments could chase the big polluters instead of always going for the easy targets!

[beko1987]

But my diesel emits half of the legal limit of stuff out the back, how dare they pick on it!

[Guest Hooli]

But my diesel emits half of the legal limit of stuff out the back, how dare they pick on it!

Did, you turned it up again.

 

 

It's all bollocks anyway, local pollution is an issue yes but a lot of the other stuff they claim? all bollocks. Remember we'd all be burnt by acid rain by now & dead of cancer from the hole in the ozone layer if it was true.

[Guest Breadvan72]

You are Donald Trump AICMFP.

[Guest Hooli]

There is an export tax on that fiver, you now owe me seven quid for sending it too you.

[Des]

Some big cloud of German industrial pollution blew in across London the other day, mixed with our good old salt of the earth British diesel fumes and concocted something nasty. Dickhead mayor reacted by demanding a derv scrappage, so all those dirty bloated kuntenwagons get replaced with new cars from mostly where I fucking wonder? Wanker politicians, if global warming exists, their remedy will make it worse, if it doesn't exist, their remedy will make it exist.

[beko1987]

Did, you turned it up again.

 

 

A bit, yes... But it now only kicks out clag when booted from cold, once warm its a lovely tree hugging, fairy friendly car!

 

Possibly

[AMC Rebel]

 

 

It's all bollocks anyway, local pollution is an issue yes but a lot of the other stuff they claim? all bollocks. Remember we'd all be burnt by acid rain by now & dead of cancer from the hole in the ozone layer if it was true.

 

Trouble is, there is so much bollocks talked, it's hard to tell when/if someone's telling the truth.  I also recall from the 1970s scare stories in the paper, we were supposed to be entering a new Ice age round about now.  

 

The sad fact is, if Al Gore was right when he drew that line on his cherry picker - unless we stop more or less everything, right now, we're fucked anyway.

[Negative Creep]

I remember hearing about how buildings were dissolving because of acid rain and an area of rainforest the size of Wales was being cut down every day, my Dad had books from his childhood about how the oil was about to run out so he'd be driving an electric car. With the decline of traditional religion in the western world the "do what we say, give us your money or suffer eternal punishment at the hands of an invisible force" mantra of the green lobby fits the gap quie nicely

[Junkman]

Good riddance, Mercedes 300D, you dismal piece of shit.

[sierraman]

I'm going to continue killing baby seals and polluting the environment by keeping my diesel. Partly because I don't like being told what to do when I'm not at work.

 

While ever there's people who aren't walking around with trousers full of money there will always be shite. It might be electric bloody hoverboards were all collectioning in 30 years but there will always be old undesirable cars no other bugger wants. Incidentally a lot of these hybrids, such as the Prius are annoyingly reliable - certainly moreso than a diesel.