Diesel scrapage scheme 2017

[AlabamaShrimp]

I don't understand how it works? So what that some bit of paper says you can't have a certain thing on your drive, who's to enforce it and how??

[rantingYoof]

I don't understand how it works? So what that some bit of paper says you can't have a certain thing on your drive, who's to enforce it and how??

 

Normally the caravan thing is a covenant written into the deeds of the property, and therefore when you buy the house you are also entering into a legally binding agreement with the original owners/sellers of the land/house that you will not park a caravan on the drive. This will apply to anyone who subsequently buys the house later on.

 

It would theoretically be enforced in a manner that the original land owner sees fit. If you are in breach of the contract then they would be able to take reasonable action, although what that would be I have no idea.

 

Of course, it becomes a massive ballache for local planning authorities when the houses are twenty years old, the original land owner/house builder has long since gone topsides, and An Occupier wants something done IMMEDIATELY about his neighbour's four berth caravan parked on the driveway 'taking all the light out my living room' etc etc. They ring the planning office, we ask them if anyone is living in the caravan, they say no, we say 'there's nothing we can do, ring the house builder or whoever is named in the deeds as the original land owner, if they don't exist, try to find out who took over, sorrynotsorry'.

 

After a while they realise parking something with wheels on a drive isn't a development and doesn't require planning permission otherwise everyone would be applying for permission every time they parked a car somewhere new, and the conversation ends.

 

These additional covenants, if they become widespread, sound like they'll turn the ballache into a colossal ache of the entire body for the LPA.

[richardthestag]

Much of the Prius naysayery is borne of the fact that it "doesn't drive - or look - like an real car"  they were originally driven by sanctimonious twats who looked down their noses at anyone they perceived to be "not doing their part". A false sense of smugness is borne out of the fact that any A list celeb says they drive a Prius and expects a standing ovation! The hypocrisy that the car has more carbon miles on it before it has been sold to its first owner than any home grown vehicle meant nothing to mr fucking doo gooder when flying to Marbella 3 times a year!

 

Because he paid someone to plant a tree to become carbon neutral. 

 

FTFY

 

Pious I hate with a passion because of the image in my mind that they represent, I really would rather walk. This is not helped by every Taxi driver in Wycombeshite has an LPG'd Pious, often being driven at 10/10ths, puny pez engines being worked hard lugging all those batteries around.

 

Other Hybrid vehicles I find cool but the pious is a fucking great big steaming Madras and 8 pints of Mild fuelled turd.

 

As you were

[richardthestag]

I refuse to believe that as a nation we can make a difference when so much of our 21st century existence is filled with waste mentality. Run an old car, using local services to fix it, using local resources for spare parts, coaxing every usable mile out of it and not just throwing it away because it is no longer fashionable, that's why I love this place . Insist on paying for fresh milk to be delivered to your door by electric vehicle in a reusable glass container rather than buying French milk in a plastic container because they sell it cheaper to a supermarket than UK farmers can afford to!

 

Cheapest is not always best, shoddy crap on ebay etc demonstrates that. i.e. buy something that is shipped from the other side of the globe because it is 1/2 the price of the locally sourced item. But then if you are lucky it will last half as long as the locally sourced product, it can be thrown away for someone else to deal with and another unit can be shipped from the other side of the world.

[mercrocker]

People would rather drive their £329 pcm behemoth to a cut-price supermarket and get their weekly shopping for £4.26.   Even then they manage to generate four sacks of rubbish each week.   There is a family in our close who trot up the drive with huge boxes of Ikea shit every November and then hire a skip every January when all the "old" stuff (including all the garden furniture they bought last summer) sticks out of it.   They think I am mad for "sending my wife out" in a 27 year old car and sanding and painting an old metal patio table and chairs each Spring....

[Longblackcoat]

FTFY

 

Pious I hate with a passion because of the image in my mind that they represent, I really would rather walk. This is not helped by every Taxi driver in Wycombeshite has an LPG'd Pious, often being driven at 10/10ths, puny pez engines being worked hard lugging all those batteries around.

 

Other Hybrid vehicles I find cool but the pious is a fucking great big steaming Madras and 8 pints of Mild fuelled turd.

 

As you were

The reason that LPG'd Priuses are so popular amongst taxi drivers is A emissions B super-reliable C they're really cheap to run. Like 60+mpg cheap, and on LPG that's the equivalent of 100mpg, whilst lugging all those batteries around.

 

Seriously, what's not to like? I get that they're super-dull, and that celebs like to be seen in them, but then ignore the sleb angle and work out whether in reality it's the Prius or (just possibly) your attitude to the car that's the problem here.

[richardthestag]

The reason that LPG'd Priuses are so popular amongst taxi drivers is A emissions B super-reliable C they're really cheap to run. Like 60+mpg cheap, and on LPG that's the equivalent of 100mpg, whilst lugging all those batteries around.

 

Seriously, what's not to like? I get that they're super-dull, and that celebs like to be seen in them, but then ignore the sleb angle and work out whether in reality it's the Prius or (just possibly) your attitude to the car that's the problem here.

 

It is the car tbh but there is a fair bit of my attitude i guess. You will not win me over I am sorry, a lot of folk on here hate the PT Crooza. For me however Satan's choice of transport is a Prius

 

Granted that careful owners who plant a tree to go carbon neutral and drive very very very carefully will get 60+mpg on Pez and with LPG bought at Asda may get close to 100mpg running costs.

 

But 60+ MPG from a Wycombe taxi driver? you have to be joking me , They drive them like they stole them. Fuelly shows averages of mid to high 50s mpg from careful owners who faithfully and full of pride submit their results on a Sunday just after they have polished their pride and joy. I will eat my shit if the taxi owners are getting anywhere near that on pez! and LPG is less economical so equivalent of 100mpg is some way off the mark (from a taxi driver in Wycombe). I reckon running costs are likely nearer 50-60mpg on LPG. so sure, cheap to run, tax breaks etc for having a fleet of them, reliable? maybe, dont know and dont care really

 

If I had 3 bags to spend on a 10 year old car would I? nah sorry

 

and there are many many many dizzles and Pez LPG'd that will achieve 60mpg running costs and are reliable yet have a fraction of the carbon footprint and we neatly get back on topic.

 

Dizzle scrapage? so folk can buy a car from Korea? what a joke

[Longblackcoat]

You should get some facts. According to a taxi firm who run ten Priuses, they average 60mpg when running LPG. As taxis, though not in Wycombe. I've been told the same by another taxi driver entirely independently. Hence my assertion that the cost is equivalent to 100mpg petrol.

 

Some diesels can get close, but not in stop- start traffic; Autocar averaged 63mpg over many thousands of miles, but got over 70 in heavy traffic, hence the Prius is particularly well-suited to taxi service.

 

You may hate them, fair enough if you do. Just understand that's as much driven by bias as anything else.

 

Note that my daily driver is a near-three tonne V8 4WD which does a very best of 30mpg. I don't have a Prius, not do I particularly want one. But it doesn't stop me respecting them.

[beko1987]

I always like getting behind a taxi in wycombe, faster progress than being behind an ambulance on blues and two's!

[bigstraight6]

Just to get back on thread, as it seems to have gone a bit too much on Toyota hybrid taxis in a Buckinghamshire town. I'm a devoted Diesel engine enthusiast, I drive arctics for a living and Doctor diesels engine is perfect for the job, nothing else would do.

I've run diesel engined cars as daily drivers for over 20 years now and they have all proved highly dependable and extremely economical, I'm quite depressed about this possible diesel scrapage nonsense and won't be giving up using them myself anytime soon.....

[Negative Creep]

In 20 years they'll be telling us about something nasty they've discovered about EVs and hybrids that only tax can mitigate

[forddeliveryboy]

In 20 years they'll be telling us about something nasty they've discovered about EVs and hybrids that only tax can mitigate

They already know.

 

Ignoring the general pollution involved in making and selling cars with artificially short lifetimes, particulates from vehicles are already at least 50% NOT FROM EXHAUSTS, but from tyre and other friction materials.

 

But because there's not an easy and lucrative taxation solution other than a communist 75hp and clever engineering to make few hp go a long way, we'll be kept in the dark, until there is. Then there will be successive scientific discoveries headlined by the Beeb, followed by taxation once tcmits has been primed and softened up.

 

Why do those air pollution academics at King's College not mention this - or is it carefully ignored by the journos because they know EVs are infinitely* better for the environment?

 

3 tonne Teslas which accelerate to 60 in sub 3 seconds will really (not) solve localised pollution, even ignoring the problems with massive tyres which are thrown away when still largely unworn because of kerb damage or uneven wear.

 

I'm hugely in favour of EVs (especially great ones like the i3), especially for short journeys and on congested roads, but a holier-than-thou attitude of some early adopters does grate.

 

Rather than aspiring to power, we should be allowed to value performance/efficiency and how much fun a car is to drive. There's been a lot of backwards thinking over the last 40 years in the car industry (in part because bankers are a bit* dim at engineering) and it's a bit sad to see this transferring to the EV.

[doobietoo]

How about a massive tax on smashing up perfectly OK bathrooms just because the suites are the wrong colour?

 

And ripping out perfectly good kitchens because they are no longer trendy.

 

Are you trying to put me out of business???

[AlabamaShrimp]

Normally the caravan thing is a covenant written into the deeds of the property, and therefore when you buy the house you are also entering into a legally binding agreement with the original owners/sellers of the land/house that you will not park a caravan on the drive. This will apply to anyone who subsequently buys the house later on.

 

It would theoretically be enforced in a manner that the original land owner sees fit. If you are in breach of the contract then they would be able to take reasonable action, although what that would be I have no idea.

 

Of course, it becomes a massive ballache for local planning authorities when the houses are twenty years old, the original land owner/house builder has long since gone topsides, and An Occupier wants something done IMMEDIATELY about his neighbour's four berth caravan parked on the driveway 'taking all the light out my living room' etc etc. They ring the planning office, we ask them if anyone is living in the caravan, they say no, we say 'there's nothing we can do, ring the house builder or whoever is named in the deeds as the original land owner, if they don't exist, try to find out who took over, sorrynotsorry'.

 

After a while they realise parking something with wheels on a drive isn't a development and doesn't require planning permission otherwise everyone would be applying for permission every time they parked a car somewhere new, and the conversation ends.

 

These additional covenants, if they become widespread, sound like they'll turn the ballache into a colossal ache of the entire body for the LPA.

So what you're saying here is that really they aren't worth the paper they're written on and if anything were to happen it would be through the civil courts which an one time landlord/owner just isn't going to do.

 

Who comes up with these ideas???

[mercrocker]

 

Who comes up with these ideas???

 

Marketing twats.  

 

They are selling a dream - one that can never be fulfilled.    The gullible who buy into this dream believe that ownership of one of these houses will guarantee them freedom from all the petty things that irk them in their present abode.    Unfortunately people are people however much money they have up their arse, its just that those who aspire think differently.

[rantingYoof]

So what you're saying here is that really they aren't worth the paper they're written on and if anything were to happen it would be through the civil courts which an one time landlord/owner just isn't going to do.

 

Who comes up with these ideas???

 

Pretty much. Can you see David Wilson homes caring about a development less than 10 minutes after the roads are adopted and all the houses have either been purchased privately or are moved into the control of the local housing association and the amenity spaces have been pushed onto the local parish council?

 

It's a simple line or two in the legal documents signed by the buyer, and then the local planning authority pretty much absorbs all the flack as people think it's a planning/council issue rather than a civil contract. Anyone who does come in via the correct lines can be fobbed off relatively easily.

 

Win win for DWH. Other housebuilders are available.

[AMC Rebel]

So what you're saying here is that really they aren't worth the paper they're written on and if anything were to happen it would be through the civil courts which an one time landlord/owner just isn't going to do.

 

Who comes up with these ideas???

 

 

Marketing twats.  

 

 

 

Marketing Twats and Lawyers.  The law is the bit even Maggie never shook up - still a closed shop run by lawyers for lawyers.  The fact that you can't easily enforce stuff never stopped lawyers writing it. Contracts for buying and selling houses in the UK are a total joke packed full of meaningless gobbledegook on purpose so that we can't make head nor tail of it but lawyers can spend a lot of time and cash arguing about what it means if something goes wrong.

 

EDIT: (In my humble opinion - your mileage may vary, and I know I will need a lawyer one day)

[Guest Breadvan72]

I don't understand how it works? So what that some bit of paper says you can't have a certain thing on your drive, who's to enforce it and how??

 

A covenant would be enforceable by injunction, that being an order made by a civil court requiring a person to do something or to refrain from doing something.  Deliberate breach of an injunction is a contempt of court, punishable by imprisonment, fine, or sequestration of assets.

[AlabamaShrimp]

A covenant would be enforceable by injunction, that being an order made by a civil court requiring a person to do something or to refrain from doing something. Deliberate breach of an injunction is a contempt of court, punishable by imprisonment, fine, or sequestration of assets.

Yeah I get this bit and that's what my other post was sort of about. There can be all sorts of court orders issued but its actually getting anyone to care enough to get them in the first place and all the costs and messing about involved when it's to no personal gain.

[5speedracer]

When a DPF burns the trapped particulates surely they then turn into smaller particulates. These must be more easily distributed and inhaled, or am I wrong?

 

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[sierraman]

I don't know, I'd sooner not start worrying about it.

[PiperCub]

Particularly enjoyed the line in the original article stating the car makers were in favour of the scrappage idea.

 

No really? Get away, you don't say. 

 

 

Personally I think there needs to be more focus on the major cause of pollution generally - industrial,  rather than the easy target that is road transport although I appreciate doing this would upset the governments paymasters so probably isn't going to happen. 

[AMC Rebel]

When a DPF burns the trapped particulates surely they then turn into smaller particulates. These must be more easily distributed and inhaled, or am I wrong?

 

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EEK I never thought of that!

[AMC Rebel]

 

 

Personally I think there needs to be more focus on the major cause of pollution generally - industrial,  rather than the easy target that is road transport although I appreciate doing this would upset the governments paymasters so probably isn't going to happen. 

 

Are they really paymasters though?  I wonder just how many are actually paying taxes like Corporation tax these days?

[angle]

Yeah Pistonheads, but covenants on what you can park outside your house are now pretty widespread - this guy was told he couldn't bring his (non-signwritten) Transit onto his estate...

 

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1595162

[garbaldy]

When a DPF burns the trapped particulates surely they then turn into smaller particulates. These must be more easily distributed and inhaled, or am I wrong?

 

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Yes that's right and all particles are inhaled it's just the smaller ones are absorbed easily into the body.

[PiperCub]

Are they really paymasters though?  I wonder just how many are actually paying taxes like Corporation tax these days?

 

Well yes when you consider how much tax the big boys don't pay and consistantly get away with not paying year after year and there's never any genuine attempt to alter this (bar a bit of double-speak & lip service).

How many ex-MPs, ministers etc. suddenly leave politics (either their choice or the electorates!) and magically secure top jobs despite having no real talent for anything much really. (Ol' Gideon Osbourne, Danny Alexander, the list is endless).

How much legislation is introduced/modified/biased towards certain parties who oddly have connections in government &/or are big party contributors?

The list goes depressingly on. 

[chodweaver]

"We don't want your sort here"
"What, like a tradesman? I.e. with a job. And income?"

Ffeck off

And as for 'who to target with pollution taxes': Why would ministers try to tax the organisations that their brothers/sisters/wives/husbands own, or get paid to be lobbied by them, and will be making them directors, consultants or both when their ministerial careers are over (or even before)? That would be political suicide and no career politician would do that.

No, tax the working and middle classes. They're good for it, are unlikely to riot or even not pay and are too tied up in debt and invested in living in the country of their birth to up and leave. The vast majority of them will do what their told and put up with being shat on by their government and their government's interested parties till they die, happy that they were good citizens, keeping their country afloat and selling their own children into the state's bondage.

Sorry, it's Monday and I'm at work

No, actually, I'm not taking that back. May, Boris and the lot of them are riding us cos we're too spineless to string them up.

Who's with me? etc.etc.

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[chodweaver]

Except PiperCub said it in less...

 

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[5speedracer]

Yes that's right and all particles are inhaled it's just the smaller ones are absorbed easily into the body.

Makes you wonder if anyone asked a real scientist* if DPFs were a good idea?

 

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