Pagid Discs and Pads

[Hendry]

Anyone ever bought the above and if so are they any good?

 

I'm needing new discs and pads on the Clio and got an email from Euro Car Parts about their sale, comes to £66 for the lot, seems a good price as cheapest I can get them rlsewhere is upwards of £75, of course its not that cheap if they are crap quality and dont last well.

[gordonbennet]

Very very good, all round on my old MB, the brakes are the best they have ever been and i've had this car a long time.

 

Part of TMD friction.

[brickwall]

Pagid is absolutely fine. If you get a good deal buy 'em.

[Hendry]

It's coming in at a total of £66.46 for Pagid pads and discs with either free home delivery or in store collection. Only odd thing is the ECP website was selling the discs single, with a note saying to make the quantity 2 to get a set, any other time I've done brakes they've always been sold in pairs because they are meant to be changed in pairs, so they're encouraging people to do it the dodgy/cheapskate way.

 

Also the HBOL says new "guide pin bolts" must be fitted when replacing the pads and that if you buy genuine Renault pads these come with the pads, not sure if the Pagid ones will so if I buy the Pagid and the guide pin bolts aren't included where the fook can I buy them separately?

[gordonbennet]

The only time i've ever needed to buy new guide pins is when i've found the current ones to be rusted or damaged and i can't recall the last time they were bad enough, usually clean up and refit.

 

If needed then you will probably find them on evilbay if your search under fitting kit for brakes for your car.

[Rusty_Rocket]

Use ECP by all means (I use them more than any other supplier) with one caveat- do everything in your power to collect the items from the store, in person.  That way you can check the bits are correct before you drive away from the place.  I can almost guarantee something about your mail order from them will be incorrect...

[Pillock]

Pagid will be far better than their economy brand which might as well be made from butter and gravel. Manages to barely provide any stopping power yet do this with a maximum noise level.

[Pete-M]

Pagid are better than some OEM jobs.

[tatmeister]

http://www.carparts4less.co.uk/ is ECP under another name, and are even cheaper.

 

They seem to sell at the ECP special offer prices.

 

For both it is easy to find discount codes through our friends at Google.

[Hendry]

Use ECP by all means (I use them more than any other supplier) with one caveat- do everything in your power to collect the items from the store, in person.  That way you can check the bits are correct before you drive away from the place.  I can almost guarantee something about your mail order from them will be incorrect...

Thanks for that wee tip, luckily for me there's one about 3 miles from my house and one about 1/4 mile from work.

 

Really wish more manufacturers did something like Vauxhalls Trade Club, only ever changed brakes on my Astras and the dealer always majorly undercut factor prices for own brand shite and you still got genuine GM bits.

[twosmoke300]

Sorry to buck the trend but I fitted some customer supplied pagid discs to his jag s type r and they warped in a few days of normal use. Ecp said they would need the discs back for 6 to 8 weeks for a warranty claim. How helpful. Im skimming them instead.

For customers cars I try to always use APEC brakes and haven't had a bad one yet and I've done hundreds .

[srad34]

Fitted some Pagid disks and pads to a customers car today. I use them myself and recommend them tbh 

[Hendry]

Well I had to go and get some double sides number plate tape today so whilst in the car parts/motor factors shops I asked for a price to compare with Euro, first place was a local shop part of the A1 motor stores franchise, he had discs starting at £22 upto £35 and pads from £15 - £30, he said his cheapest ones would be still good enough "we don't sell shite" but id never heard of them and cant remember the name but he said he would recommend the most expensive ones he had (obviously!) which he said were made by Delphi Lockheed which were probably better than OEM/genuine Renault stuff, but that's £100 for the lot which is dearer than genuine ones and I don't really want to pay that much, not sure they are worth a near £35 premium over the Pagid, he asked if I'd looked elsewhere and I said I could get Pagid for £65 but didn't say they were from Euro and yet he still said "they're Eurocarparts cheap shite"

 

Other place i tried was "Andrew Watt Car Components" and they only did 1 brand of discs and they're made by "belaco" again never heard of them are they any good? They are £21.30 each so £42.60 for the pair and cheaper than Euros price on Pagid, as for pads they do a set at £11.89 but said they are aftermarket factor quality and they can do OEM quality ones for £17.11 but didn't specify a brand.

 

Thoughts please?

[gordonbennet]

Thoughts, avoid high street accessory shops like the plague, only very few sell good quality parts, and the lack f knowledge of some of them is scandalous.

 

Try proper motor factors.

i often use Lockheed Delphi, good stuff, my local factor does them for around the same price as Pagid.

 

One other thing, yours is a frenchie and there might be several options for no good reason so whip the pads out and take them for pattern purposes, if not possible stencil them instead, press down on a clean sheet of paper both sides to leave a good imprint and take the sheet with you, you'll probably be able to pair up via ECP's website....oh and measure the discs fitted too, diameter and depth.

 

If you struggle to get meaningful diagrams of the pads on the sales website, go onto TMD's site and search around, you will find downloads that you can search the correct part numbers and see the pads in perfect silhouette, very useful feature that.

[Hendry]

Update, just googled the part numbers for the pads on the slip with printed quotation from Andrew Watts and the numbers are "BP1412" which brings up listings for Quinton Hazell pads, strange as I thought QH was a factor themselves not a part manufacturer, the other number is "ADN142117" which brings up results for "Blueprint" pads, so are these any good?

[gordonbennet]

Only ever seen Blueprint on ebay, haven't the foggiest, who makes them?

[Hendry]

Just to add more confusion ive just looked on Egay and I can get a set of mintex pads and discs for £49.29 delivered.

 

Aargh I've no idea what to buy, usually I'm not on a budget and either just go and get genuine parts from the dealers parts desk or buy the most expensive at the local factors, can't afford to do either at the moment though.

[gordonbennet]

Mintex are part of TMD too, some say its a more budget brand but can't say as i've found that to be the case, about the only decent pad maker who started making pads for the Mk6 Hilux i owned, made a huge improvement to feel and stopping bite when i binned the OE Sumitomo and bunged Mintexin.

 

I got a full set of MIntex all round for the Outback via ebay, good stuff, mine came from a high volume seller in Cheltenham, no problems at all no regrets, considerably cheaper than my factor could do and beat ECP by a long way.

[Joey spud]

Avoid euro car parts own brand Eicher brake pads and discs as they are totally useless,noisey and woefully bad at stopping you before fading.

I think they are sourced from india.

[twosmoke300]

Blue print stuff is fine . Usually what comes from the factors for jap and Asian stuff and I'm told its oem quality . I've certainly had no issues.

I would avoid the drivetec stuff though . Some of the pads just don't fit properly

[Rusty_Rocket]

Yup, lots of ECP own-brand stuff is Indian made as far as I know.  The fact they deliberately give all this junk German-sounding names really winds me up.. 

Mustardmitt though, the discs are usually ok.

[Stanky]

I got a set of Pagid pads fitted to the front of my Almera about 18 months ago for its MOT, I've done 30k and took the time on friday evening to check whether there was anything left and was amazed that there has got to be 50% of the pad material still left. This is after 30k miles in a year or so.

 

They also perform excellently when required to stop a tonne of speeding Sunderland rust from all speeds so far encountered. For the price I can't fault them.

[Pillock]

Eicher! That's the butter-and-gravel stuff.

[Hendry]

So what of these "Belaco" discs, nobody heard of them?

[Joey spud]

I used to fit belaco stuff years back when i had a garage and think they were made by ferodo/mintex down in Wales somewhere.

 

Ive not seen the brand for years though,old stocj maybe ?

[gordonbennet]

There's a name from the past, Ferodo.

 

In my kerbside cowboy days i always fitted ferodo pads, my local factor stocked them, used to come with a layer of hard abrasive, like 80 grade grit, compound on the face of the pad, which de glazed the discs and always had a lovely progressive bite in use.

 

Used to go past the wilds of North Wales Ferodo site quite regularly some years back and recall seeing the pickets outside during a long bitter strike.

 

Haven't been able to get standard road going pads of that make for donkeys years, they seem to concentrate on the racing market at very high prices, have no idea who owns 'em now nor where they are made.

[alf892]

I would go to a well established trade factor and buy what they sell.....probably APEC. These people can't sell shit or they would go out of business. Euro crap parts survive on volume from cheapskates.

 

Buying from dealer to get 'oem ' is bollocks. Manufacturers assemble cars.......they do not make all of the components.

[Richard]

This is my favourite online supplier of brake discs, exhausts and timing belts. http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/ I don't think I've ever had anything rubbish or wrong from them.

[Hendry]

Wee update: went to a local independent factor because as someone said on here, they can't sell shite or they'd go out of business.

 

Anyway they supplied me with "Allied Nippon" pads and Juratek discs, this was all they did for my car, neve heard of either but done some googling and haven't came across any horror stories, they were £45 for the lot with a years guarantee and both boxes say "equivalent part numbers" then 3 or 4 part numbers which when googled come up as the Apec, Ferodo and Mintex part numbers for the parts.

 

Anyone here any experience of stuff by these Allied Nippon/Juratek companies?

[Jim Bell]

I could be wrong, but I think Allied Nippon may have attacked Peal Harbour during WWII.