would this be admitting liability?

[Richard]

  On 29/03/2014 at 23:45, explosive-cabbage said:

I am going to throw in another situation here...

I was walking out of Morrisons, and a car came into collission with a heavy trolley being pushed by a woman, who was leaving the store also, crossing the car park but not on a 'crossing' or footway ( as none existed) The car's indicator was broken.

The driver immediately blamed the trolley pusher and went beserk.

Surely it was the responsibility of the driver in that situation to avoid a collision, therefore it is the driver's fault??

Answers below please

 

I once saw a massive argument between a taxi owner and the occupants of a Honda Stream in Morrisons St Andrews car park. The taxi driver had been going against an arrow, the Honda driver wasn't looking where he was going so they collided. The owner (called Fat Les I believe) had come up in another taxi and had exactly the same argument with every occupant of the Honda (which was a seven seater) in turn. The last Honda person to emerge was the one-legged driver (I think he was like that before the collision) who hopped around like the Black Knight in the Holy Grail as he had the seventh identical circular argument with Fat Les. There was quite an audience by this time, which included the taxi driver who had actually been driving. The taxi passengers were waiting patiently in the back of the damaged taxi while all this was going on.

 

I'm surprised there aren't more serious injuries in supermarket car parks tbh, they really are stupidity magnets.

[dieselnutjob]

  On 30/03/2014 at 12:47, dollywobbler said:

That doesn't mean that others will be as carefree as you, to be fair.

 

I put a small scuff on his bumper, gave him my phone number when he asked for it, and offered to fix it.

 

My conscience is clear.

 

I also think he was a prat. I am entitled to my opinion.

[dollywobbler]

Undoubtedly! I wouldn't argue that. I'm just saying that people have different tolerances when it comes to this sort of thing. Frankly, if you're parking in London, I would have thought he would have expected minor scuffs as the natural way of things. He does sound OTT, but then I'd get quite narked if I saw someone drive into one of my cars. I did when some old codger bumped into the back of the Sirion, before I realised that there was no damage and that my car was pretty much worthless anyway.

[richardthestag]

years ago I drove into the Tesblows' car park (in the mundano with the split rear bumper)  and an employee pushing a train of trolleys appeared out of nowhere - it was dark. Even though i was motoring <10mph I still had to slam on the brakes to avoid a collision, so I honked the old horn to show my appreciation. The pilot of the afore mentioned train of trolleys shat himself, but upon closer inspection might have been a little special.

 

Mrs thestag then made it her mission for the day to point out repeatedly what an awful person I was.

 

There was no collision but now I wonder if I might have a case again Tesblows

[Mr Livered]

Not if there was no collision you don't! To sue someone you need to demonstrate that you have incurred some kind of loss or injury, and in this case it sounds like there was none.

 

(unless you count the emotional harm caused indirectly to you by the trolley pusher, via the medium of Mrs Thestag chewing your ear)

[DeeJay]

  On 29/03/2014 at 23:25, chaseracer said:

Be advised: BV72 is REEL LORYER.  We are not.**

 

He knows of what he speaks.

 

 

 

 

** Acksherley, one of us is - I just can't remember who...

Does that mean we have to pay to read his posts?

[Squire_Dawson]

It is a matter that causes great anger in people, and it's easy to see why. Nothing is more pig-ignorant than taking up two spaces. These arseholes usually aren't worth the bother, but once I found myself in a car park where every available space was occupied and there was one car taking up two spaces. I didn't try and squeeze in - though I have done in the past, ensuring they have to climb in through the passenger side or even the boot - but simply parked lengthways behind them as close as possible so they couldn't actually get out. Unfortunately, the owners hadn't come back by the time I'd returned.

 

I used to get really worked up about crap like this, and still do sometimes, but now I realise it's just not worth the bother and you don't know their mental condition or what they have hidden in the car. I like to believe in karma and what goes around comes around.

 

Interestingly, the aforementioned American nomenclature is thus because they literally fend off other cars. 

[Grundig]

  On 29/03/2014 at 20:39, Breadvan72 said:

Fishcake, hatstand, wibble!  Where do people get this stuff from?  How about custard pie attacks    Liability for doing careless stuff doesn't magically cease within the confines of a car park.

 

What if it's the TISWAS car park

[Guest Breadvan72]

The Phantom Flan Flinger of Old Birmingham Town, eh?

[Guest Breadvan72]

Posted Today, 03:51 PM

chaseracer, on 30 Mar 2014 - 12:25 AM, said:

  On 29/03/2014 at 23:25, chaseracer said:

Be advised: BV72 is REEL LORYER.  We are not.**

 

He knows of what he speaks.

 

 

 

 

** Acksherley, one of us is - I just can't remember who... 

 

  On 30/03/2014 at 14:51, DeeJay said:

Does that mean we have to pay to read his posts?

 

Gratuitae, si legere scis lingua Latina.  Innit.

[Lukas]

Touching the car behind and in front of you when getting in and out of a parking space is completely normal in Vienna. Almost everyone does it. And almost everyone drives off without a note if there is visible damage.

 

It´s not ok, but it´s not so unusual to get completely mental about it. Ask the people who live in Paris...

[londonm]

  On 29/03/2014 at 14:59, dieselnutjob said:

I didn't "hit" his car.  The bumpers touched at an extremely low speed.  Most people would consider that to be completely normal.

 

Also the space wasn't too small.  There was plenty of space for my car if he wasn't taking his and half of another one for no good reason.

 

How do I know that a space is too small without trying it?  Am I supposed to carry a tape measure around and measure it first?

 

There is something that isn't clear in my mind.  If rings his insurance company and says that someone has damaged his car what will happen next?

 

Can he just spend thousands and send me the bill without warning?

Can you describe the age and model of your car, and the age and model of his? I've got to be honest and say someone must have reversed in to my cars front end at low speed, it caused £500 of damage. Basically, if that blokes car is a brand new BMW he's not going to be letting you buff out a scratch on it with a rag and some old t cut.

[DeeJay]

  On 30/03/2014 at 15:16, Breadvan72 said:

 

Posted Today, 03:51 PM

chaseracer, on 30 Mar 2014 - 12:25 AM, said:

 

 

Gratuitae, si legere scis lingua Latina.  Innit.

 

monstra mihi pecuniam

[dieselnutjob]

  On 30/03/2014 at 15:32, londonm said:

Can you describe the age and model of your car, and the age and model of his? I've got to be honest and say someone must have reversed in to my cars front end at low speed, it caused £500 of damage. Basically, if that blokes car is a brand new BMW he's not going to be letting you buff out a scratch on it with a rag and some old t cut.

 

Mine is a 2001 607.  It's completely impossible to judge where the front of the damp thing is.

 

His was a Merc B class I think.  I don't think it was particularly new.  The only interesting thing about it was that the head restraints are so huge that you really can't tell if there is anyone sitting in the car or not.

[Guest Breadvan72]

If you really can't judge where the front of your car is then it sounds like you could benefit from an hour or so of refresher training with a driving instructor, or perhaps you should check whether you need a driving specs prescription    Perhaps we all could benefit from periodic refresher training in various driving skills.  Were you hoping that a bit of nudge parking wouldn't matter because you couldn't see that the other car had someone in it?    Like most people, probably, I have managed to bump another car while parking, but I would never assume that this was anyone's fault other than my own.   I left a note.  

 

When people nudge my car, I don't make much fuss, especially not in London where such things are to be expected.  People who park selfishly are annoying, but are best ignored.  They are not the sort to learn lessons anyway, so I feel no moral crusade to park close to them and wave the finger of tuttishness.

 

Harsh, maybe, but his thread suggests to me an unedifying contest between two different variants of "it's all about me".  

[londonm]

  On 30/03/2014 at 16:01, dieselnutjob said:

Mine is a 2001 607.  It's completely impossible to judge where the front of the damp thing is.

 

His was a Merc B class I think.  I don't think it was particularly new.  The only interesting thing about it was that the head restraints are so huge that you really can't tell if there is anyone sitting in the car or not.

Merc B class first appeared in 2006 or so, so by no means a shitter. I've got to be honest and say he could come after you, but would need a witness to it. If you're really lucky he won't be arsed with it, but you shouldn't really be lurching around London in a car that you can't work out where the front end is. I drive around London in a small car that I'm familiar with, and it's very different to rest of UK. I'd say it's 50/50 whether he claims or not, but you should pay for a protected no claims policy at next renewal.

[chaseracer]

  On 30/03/2014 at 15:16, Breadvan72 said:

Gratuitae, si legere scis lingua Latina.  Innit.

 

Quantum, ut canis in fenestra, una cum moventes caudam...?

 

(nunc omnes!!)

 

[Albert Ross]

You're both in the right, but you're also both in the wrong.... but in each case, one of you is more right/wrong than the other......

[D-Dubya]

  On 30/03/2014 at 11:49, RichardMoss said:

He was stationary - you hit him. You are at fault. End of.

I had a case where my MG broke down whilst driving and the only place to stop was on double yellows. A vehicle hit me and despite its driver's protestations, the insurance companies took the view stated above - moving vehicle at fault.

I had the exact thing happen to me as this and it went against me as I was in the eyes of the law... An obstruction

[NorfolkNWeigh]

  On 30/03/2014 at 17:06, chaseracer said:

Quantum, ut canis in fenestra, una cum moventes caudam...?

 

Can we stop with the Welsh,you tards ........oops wrong forum.

[londonm]

Also, I assume you are actually insured?

[RichardMoss]

  On 30/03/2014 at 15:06, Squire_Dawson said:

 Nothing is more pig-ignorant than taking up two spaces.

Not so - having some ignorant arsehole put a dent in the side of your pride and joy by opening a car door into it is, i would venture, more annoying.  As is having someone scratch your car with their bumper. 

 

Having the side of my newly restored MGC swiped by a Wiinebago (during the aforementioned breaking-down incident) was also rather galling - especially as the MG was on the road for the very first time after a full body restoration.  The Winnebago driver nearly got punched when he said "there's blue paint from your car on my bumper" too.  But because my car was stationary, even on double yellows, as a result of a brake problem HIS insurance company paid out.

[dieselnutjob]

  On 30/03/2014 at 16:13, Breadvan72 said:

If you really can't judge where the front of your car is then it sounds like you could benefit from an hour or so of refresher training with a driving instructor, or perhaps you should check whether you need a driving specs prescription    Perhaps we all could benefit from periodic refresher training in various driving skills.  Were you hoping that a bit of nudge parking wouldn't matter because you couldn't see that the other car had someone in it?    Like most people, probably, I have managed to bump another car while parking, but I would never assume that this was anyone's fault other than my own.   I left a note.  

 

When people nudge my car, I don't make much fuss, especially not in London where such things are to be expected.  People who park selfishly are annoying, but are best ignored.  They are not the sort to learn lessons anyway, so I feel no moral crusade to park close to them and wave the finger of tuttishness.

 

Harsh, maybe, but his thread suggests to me an unedifying contest between two different variants of "it's all about me".  

 

I never stated that it wasn't my fault.  The opening premise of this thread right from the beginning was that I wanted to offer to fix the damage, but I do not want to be made liable for damage that I didn't do, which is what the guy seemed to be working towards.

 

I wasn't on a morale crusade or trying to wave any fingers either, you are the one doing that.  I was just trying to fit into the available space left with my rear tyres on the legal bit and not on the yellow line.  There were no other spaces, if there were I would have used them.

 

I have stated all of this before but you just aren't taking any notice of what I say so what is the point of discussing it with you?

[RichardMoss]

  On 30/03/2014 at 17:15, D-Dubya said:

I had the exact thing happen to me as this and it went against me as I was in the eyes of the law... An obstruction

I suppose it depends to an extent where you were  - I was immediately behind a row of parked cars and not obstructing anything.

[alf892]

Fuxacke...you hit his car and he ain't happy.

 

Get over it

[londonm]

  On 30/03/2014 at 17:20, dieselnutjob said:

I never stated that it wasn't my fault.  The opening premise of this thread right from the beginning was that I wanted to offer to fix the damage, but I do not want to be made liable for damage that I didn't do, which is what the guy seemed to be working towards.

 

I wasn't on a morale crusade or trying to wave any fingers either, you are the one doing that.  I was just trying to fit into the available space left with my rear tyres on the legal bit and not on the yellow line.  There were no other spaces, if there were I would have used them.

 

I have stated all of this before but you just aren't taking any notice of what I say so what is the point of discussing it with you?

So, were you insured?

[chaseracer]

 

 

#justsayin

 

<_>

[daveb47]

Think this thread has run its course.

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