Price of scrap , price of shite etc

[retrogeezer]

why did Ford sell so many?

Because it was a Ford....How many people would not buy a Citroen ZX or Peugeot 306 beacause they were 'french rubbish'??Far superior cars, drove & handled 10 times better, better engines and still loads on the road, you can't say that about mk5 escorts.

[Milford Cubicle]

"I'll be having none of that fancy French rubbish, PORRIDGE for me"

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

escort,easy to buy run and sell,thats why they sold so many.the alfa 145 used many fiat parts,just like the 155,and thay also had fiat engines.also without fiat the 164 would never have made production,oh and you can get a 164 with a fiat / lancia engine

The 145 started life with the Alfa boxer engine (new 1.6 units and the older 1.7 and 1.7 16v) and preogressed to the Alfa 16v Twin Spark unit around 1995/6. If you can find me a Fiat with either of these two engines I'd love to see one.The 164 was the last Alfa designed car before Fiat took over in 1986 but corporate dithering meant it didn't enter production until late 1987 with the RHD cars coming here in 1988. You can indeed buy a 164 2.0 Turbo which is the Fiat Lancia Croma/Thema 8v unit. This engine has nothing in common with the 155/156 16v engine. The 164 prototypes were being finalised when Fiat took over.

[fiatdaft]

the 16v twin spark is a fiat block,and as i said before the the 145 used many more parts than just calipers from fiat.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

,and as i said before the the 145 used many more parts than just calipers from fiat.

Such as?A Reliant Scimitar uses a Ford engine and box - doesn't make it a Ford.

[fiatdaft]

this is getting a bit boring,was reliant owned by ford like alfa is by fiat?ford/mazda 1242cc engines were made by yamaha,but i've never seen a yamaha with that engine,so what are you getting at?shared parts from early 145 to tipo parts are.front and rear suspension,front and rear brakes,steering,many other mechanical and electrical parts,substructures and the front subframe that connects the whole front end mechanical bits to the body is the same.

[Cavcraft]

You know what? From this thread alone this very forum gets more appealing by the minute.I don't for a minute suggest the Cavalier is the greatest car in the world but the Mk3 is definately the best in it's class in my opinion. Dirt cheap to run, ultra reliable, easily blinged up, had some decent performance models in the SRi and GSi, all (except later Ecotecs) had the greatest 8V engine ever made fitted plus some bloody brilliant diesels (Isuzu) and they are easy and good to drive. They're still p1ss cheap to buy, parts available everywhere and I would drive one round the world and back tomorrow if I had to.As someone mentioned nostalgia plays a great part with cars like these and best of all there is no snobbery amongst owners. I'm sorry if it sounded like I had a downer on some German cars, it's just quite a few mates are VW mad and one in particular spent a small fortune on his Mk2 GTi and yet I handed him his arse on a plate everytime we had a race and the snobbery from these lads (and a few other VW owners I know, was unreal. I know not all VW/Audi/BMW/etc owners are the same incdentally so I try not to generalise.Anyhow, enough of that: I've just been offered £150 for my Skoda (with u/s headgasket) from a scrappy and I can cash the tax back. I'm holding out to see if someone can take it on and make use of it but you do have to wonder if it's actually worth spending money advertising it.

[fiatdaft]

let the scrap man have it,no timewasters to be bothered with leaves you a quick and easy transaction!

[Cavcraft]

Agreed, it just seems madness to bin a 1999 car with MOT and tax. I'll give it a week or so and if I can't trade it on I'll weigh it in or sell to the scrapyard.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

this is getting a bit boring,was reliant owned by ford like alfa is by fiat?ford/mazda 1242cc engines were made by yamaha,but i've never seen a yamaha with that engine,so what are you getting at?shared parts from early 145 to tipo parts are.front and rear suspension,front and rear brakes,steering,many other mechanical and electrical parts,substructures and the front subframe that connects the whole front end mechanical bits to the body is the same.

I don't find correcting you remotely boring.The early 145 uses a Tipo rear end but what are basically 33 front struts and rack. If you can find a way of installing the Sud/33 gearbox into a Fiat Tipo floorpan and front crossmember I would love to see it! Early 145's had an issue with the rack mounts on the bulkhead breaking. I've worked at three Alfa dealerships by the way, two of which were Fiat/Alfa. The Tipo/Tempra front and rear brakes came from the Alfa 33 which was launched in 1983, long before Fiat bought out Alfa. I think you are confusing the issue with the later inline four 145 with the 16v TS engine.The argument initially started about what constitutes an Alfa engine. Yes, the 16v engine uses a modified Fiat block. But the crank, sump, and complete head and valvetrain is unique to Alfa Romeo. The Lancia engines were the same as the Fiat units and were based on the old 125 type block. 8v units used belts, 16v versions used chains I believe.

[Milford Cubicle]

I have the same dilemma with my Rover, I only paid £215 for it originally but the scrap man has offered me £120 to take it away plus a cheap supply of coal in the winter... Hard to resist, especially since the two people who phoned about it were timewasters.Nobody wants big-engined cars, especially not Rovers it seems, even though it's no less economical than some 1.6s I've driven.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

I have the same dilemma with my Rover, I only paid £215 for it originally but the scrap man has offered me £120 to take it away

Fill it with as much scrap as possible and drive it there. It'll probably make 250 quid.The coal scenario is tempting though.

[Milford Cubicle]

The guy is based 150 miles away! The nearest scrap metal dealer offered me £140 for it if I drove it there (about 40 miles), I think scrap metal is worth a bit less up here.

[fiatdaft]

why would anybody want to put an inferior engine in a fiat? lancia engines were not the same as the fiat ones,as they had balancer shaftsnone of these engines shared anything with the 125 blockyou believe wrong the 16v used belts aswellso your now admiting that the 145 uses more parts than tipo brake cailpers?the tipo doesn't use any 33 brake partsby the way its still boring correcting younow can be get back to topic please?

[Mr_Bo11ox]

YAwn! Soon we'll be arguing over the difference between a fiat door handle and a lancia one. Come on fellas!

[fiatdaft]

lol

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

why would anybody want to put an inferior engine in a fiat? lancia engines were not the same as the fiat ones,as they had balancer shaftsnone of these engines shared anything with the 125 blockyou believe wrong the 16v used belts aswellso your now admiting that the 145 uses more parts than tipo brake cailpers?the tipo doesn't use any 33 brake partsby the way its still boring correcting younow can be get back to topic please?

This is fun!!The Lancia 16v engine has its roots in the 124/125 twin cam that also saw service in that little honey in your avatar.The Tipo doesn't use any 33 brake parts. Well, apart from the rear drums and shoes and front calipers, that is........ Being an expert on old Fiat shite is quite tiresome isn't it? :-)Maybe you should invest in a new keyboard My Boy. Yours appears to have a non functioning Caps Lock!

[fiatdaft]

twat, ahem. that piece of scrap is just a random pic.my tipo doesnt have rear drumsaccording to the fiat/alfa/lancia epc,there are now shared parts from 33 to tipo,unless you know more than fiat S.p.A?and i aint your boymaybe www.barryboys.co.uk is your type of website if you don't like old cars?or www.iamacompletegimp.com?

[Richard]

This whole thread has become quite tiresome. I'm not even all that sure what the argument is about. May I suggest that you take it to PM or, even better, just agree to differ?

[fiatdaft]

i did try by saying back to topic,but it was ignored.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Aye Laddie. I can just picture your humour filled existence as ye bash away at your keyboard! You own a Tipo eh? My condolences! That's probably your pride and joy as well as the limit of your car owning horizons. I can imagine you mopping your fevered brow as you scan a Fiat parts catalogue every night over a cup of Horlicks, box of Kleenex at the ready. The argument started when this humourless fool stated that Alfa Romeos were just Fiats in drag.www.iamaboringfiatobsessedspastic.com

[pogweasel]

Now, now children, play nicely. We'll have no "I know considerably more than yow" dick-waving competitions here.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Aye Laddie. I can just picture your humour filled existence as ye bash away at your keyboard! You own a Tipo eh? My condolences! That's probably your pride and joy as well as the limit of your car owning horizons. I can imagine you mopping your fevered brow as you scan a Fiat parts catalogue every night over a cup of Horlicks, box of Kleenex at the ready. The argument started when this humourless fool stated that Alfa Romeos were just Fiats in drag.www.iamaboringfiatobsessedspastic.com

wanker.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Aye Laddie. I can just picture your humour filled existence as ye bash away at your keyboard! You own a Tipo eh? My condolences! That's probably your pride and joy as well as the limit of your car owning horizons. I can imagine you mopping your fevered brow as you scan a Fiat parts catalogue every night over a cup of Horlicks, box of Kleenex at the ready. The argument started when this humourless fool stated that Alfa Romeos were just Fiats in drag.www.iamaboringfiatobsessedspastic.com

wanker.

That's Wanker with a capital W! Did your parents not send you to school you imbecile?

[Richard]

Aye Laddie. I can just picture your humour filled existence as ye bash away at your keyboard! You own a Tipo eh? My condolences! That's probably your pride and joy as well as the limit of your car owning horizons. I can imagine you mopping your fevered brow as you scan a Fiat parts catalogue every night over a cup of Horlicks, box of Kleenex at the ready. The argument started when this humourless fool stated that Alfa Romeos were just Fiats in drag.www.iamaboringfiatobsessedspastic.com

I don't want to get drawn into an argument here but that post is pretty much the antithesis of what this site is about.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Aye Laddie. I can just picture your humour filled existence as ye bash away at your keyboard! You own a Tipo eh? My condolences! That's probably your pride and joy as well as the limit of your car owning horizons. I can imagine you mopping your fevered brow as you scan a Fiat parts catalogue every night over a cup of Horlicks, box of Kleenex at the ready. The argument started when this humourless fool stated that Alfa Romeos were just Fiats in drag.www.iamaboringfiatobsessedspastic.com

I don't want to get drawn into an argument here but that post is pretty much the antithesis of what this site is about.

Then what is it about? Is it about ill considered comments about Alfa Romeos being 'Fiats in drag'. I don't even own an Alfa but even I can see the stupidity of such a comment.

[fiatdaft]

i think mr bollox hit the nail on the head.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Yes, you're certainly two of a kind! Using words like t**t and w****r on a public forum does betray a lack of intelligence, or at least a rather limited vocabulary. Shame on you.

[pogweasel]

Spastic is fine though.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

You know what? From this thread alone this very forum gets more appealing by the minute.I don't for a minute suggest the Cavalier is the greatest car in the world but the Mk3 is definately the best in it's class in my opinion. Dirt cheap to run, ultra reliable, easily blinged up, had some decent performance models in the SRi and GSi, all (except later Ecotecs) had the greatest 8V engine ever made fitted plus some bloody brilliant diesels (Isuzu) and they are easy and good to drive. They're still p1ss cheap to buy, parts available everywhere and I would drive one round the world and back tomorrow if I had to.As someone mentioned nostalgia plays a great part with cars like these and best of all there is no snobbery amongst owners. I'm sorry if it sounded like I had a downer on some German cars, it's just quite a few mates are VW mad and one in particular spent a small fortune on his Mk2 GTi and yet I handed him his arse on a plate everytime we had a race and the snobbery from these lads (and a few other VW owners I know, was unreal. I know not all VW/Audi/BMW/etc owners are the same incdentally so I try not to generalise.

I'm not really a fan of VW stuff to be honest. I've seen too many rusty Mark 3 Golfs (1995/6) and they're just a bit nothingy but a nice Mark 2 Golf GTi is still a pleasant thing even in standard form. The GM redtop engine was a lot better than the VW 16v though, a cracking engine.The last Cavalier I saw which in liked was at a classic car show 3 weeks ago near Macclesfield. A silver 1979 Cavalier 1.9 Coupe with red velour trim and black vinyl roof. And not far away, a 1980 V plate Royale with the same colour scheme.