Check this eejit out - last time I sell a car to a punter

[OwdChina]

 

Further developments: mr s had both rear wheel bearings done when I was away. Onlyoy mentioned it to me when I was discussing it with her

 

 

 

this is a strange one i would now be wondering which one is telling the lies the new owner or the garage who may or may not have fixed your wheel bearings.

 

 

Was thinking the same thing. Curiosity would get the better of me and i'd launch a quiet investigation.

[Mr_Bo11ox]

I wouldn't bother TBH, i'd just forget it and have a cup of tea.

[OwdChina]

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Yeah your right...........except i'd go for a pint

[gtd2000]

Next time you sell a car to some twerp, print off 2 copies of a bill of sale with your names and addresses, stating that it is "sold as spares" (insert relevant description) and make a list of known problems.I usually describe cars "as is". (I've never sold a car that was in bad condition to be fair.)

 

Both you and the buyer sign & date both copies, give one to him and keep the other and go on your merry way.

 

If there is any problem down the line, you have it in writing when the car was sold and how it was described when sold.

 

I've used a bill of sale for the last 10 years or so - even when selling to friends.

 

It keeps everything square.

[Hertz]

Yes I always have 2 copies of "Sold as Seen no warranty implied or given" signed by both parties. Had no come backs.

 

Best approach try and sell to the motoring "enthusiast"/forums then if not sold weigh it in rather than dealing with utter numpties.

 

I remember my Dad once sold a Nissan Cherry stating a very reasonable "40 mpg" in the ad. 2 months later he recieved a solicitor's letter stating their party was only getting 36 mpg and was not very happy. See you in court says my Dad! They did and my Dad lost. Turns out the guy was a copper and got some form of legal aid being plod? Anyway it cost my Dad a packet and he was very careful with adverts/receipts from then on!

[Volksy]

Hillman Imp mentioned the sale of the camper earlier, here is the correspondence from that. Never heard a thing after....

 

Her > Me:

 

hi,

i have been advised to follow up our telephone conversation on the 29th october at eleven oclock with written correspondanse.we purchased renault masters t35 on the 28th october at eleven oclock am from you as a fully working car road worthy with 12 months mot by five oclock pm same day the car was losing power rapidly and been a danger this caused my husband to be pulled over by the police and asked to produced as the police said if the car had been just moted it should be road worthy and with this fault it is not. i hope today at one oclock we can find the problem and i will have a road worthy car if not i am afraid i will have to reject the item as not fit for purpose and ask for a full refund and i will personally take the lose of money on the road tax and insurance but will wish to recieve back the £XXX paid for the camper

 

thankyou

 

 

Me > Her:

 

Dear Mrs..........,

Further to your telephone conversation and following email below, we accept no liability for any faults with the vehicle, this was sold in good faith, as a fully working vehicle (by your own admission in the email below the vehicle was in full working order at the time of sale), and are therefore not responsible for any faults or damage the vehicle may have suffered after you collected the vehicle on the 28th of October. Within the receipt signed by yourself it clearly states that the vehicle is Sold As Seen, with no warranty given or implied. this was verbally confirmed at the time of sale.

Further to this, I must point out that when initially viewing the vehicle a test drive of the vehicle was offered, but refused by your party, and the vehicle was issued with an MOT certificate the morning of the sale, which proves at the time of the MOT inspection that the vehicle was in a roadworthy condition.

As this was a private sale, there is no legal requirement for the vehicle to be fit for purpose or of satisfactory quality. It is the buyers responsibility to inspect the vehicle and ensure this is the case and are satisfied before agreeing the sale.

We therefore would not accept the vehicle back on the terms stipulated by yourselves, as at the time of sale, no fault or evidence thereof was apparent.

 

 

Kind Regards,

[Luxobarges_Are_Us]

And there's the rub. I'm nearing this position with the Cavalier. It's not taxed or tested, and I don't have it insured, so to get it tested, which I reckon it would pass with minimal work, would mean paying £27 for a days insurance.

 

As has been said before, cooling-off period is your friend.

 

plus £40 for the test

 

I paid £25 the other day. Not the most lenient, but certainly fair and in good faith.

 

I've seen a couple of ads for £20 MOTs, too.

[The Reverend Bluejeans]

Also, daily car insurance for a tenner:

 

 

http://mip.ecarinsurance.co.uk/index.php

[AnthonyG]

I didn't know you got 'pelters' for scrapping the 306. I thought it was a shame since you spent so much time fixing the brakes up or whatever, but it is hard doing the 'shite' lifestyle without off street storage.

 

Don't you ever want to buy a year old reliable car, like a Skoda Octavia* or something, and just keep it for a while. You've said elsewhere you are running a start -up business (or something similar, don't remember the details) , don't you find all this a bit too much hassle? I'm not questioning your love of shite here, but the recent bunch have seemed to cause so many problems for you.

 

Anyway have a Happy Christmas and dream of Bulgarian CX's!

 

* awaiting somebody to pipe up that these are actually OMG DMF Direct injection fuel pump costs £3k disasters waiting to happen

[CortinaDave]

I once sold this PB Cresta for £800 on ebay I described as a "generally tidy car, but not show worthy.. starts, stops and drives - solid and looks respectable."

 

 

 

There was actually hardly a mark on it - but I got absolute pelters from the buyer who came up and drove it back from Edinburgh to York then sent me a total shitogram saying I'd put his children's lives in danger as I hadn't told him one of the headlights was out and that my idea of "respectble" condition was a long way from his.

 

You buy a 40 odd year old car for under a grand that was pretty damn tidy and happily drives you a good cou0ple of hundred miles home and you demand a refund because it needed a bulb? Arsehole.

 

I've also had abuse from the guy who bought the Skoda Superb off me a month or so back - He drove it all the way to Latvia without fault, then mailed me a few weeks later when something went wrong with it demanding a refund.

 

He didn't state what the fault with it was but - really - he bought a car with 250k on the clock and an ex taxi for a third of the price of any other Superb, drove it all the way to Latvia without issue yet still expects a warranty?

[M'coli]

A friend of a colleague sold his dad's Rover P6 on eBay as "Project, spares or repair", about 4 years ago, it made something like £170, the punters turned up, trailered it away, then neg'd him because "car not as described".

[Negative Creep]

I bought the mazda on ebay and the starter goes. However I have='t thrown my toys out the pram or left bad feedback, since I know it was bad luck and sold as seen. Not a difficult concept to grasp

[Guest]

Pelters?

[M'coli]

Verbal abuse.

[forddeliveryboy]

Local MoT station repaired a Renault Scenic having snapped its cambelt. New water pump, rebuilt head and the rest were fitted, car picked up and two weeks later the gearbox broke. Local chap, plenty of money, refused to pay for head work and insisted garage buy car for its value before gearbox broke on the basis that the vehicle was sent back to the customer with a fault which could have caused a dangerous accident. After asking around a few lawyers, the garage paid up. Strange world.

[oman5]

after years of buying utter cack, I've learnt to be philosophical about it. its all a big gamble wether its gonna be any good or not. my volvo turned out to be a 1 owner from new car, full wodge of main dealer history with it, bills for more than it cost new, etc. It was cheap because it was a 20 year old gas guzzler that nobody wants.

For every decent motor there's been a few total shitheaps. I had the exact same scenario as described by the OP- I bought a mk2 Fiesta 1.1, 12 years old at the time. on the way home from buying it a rear wheel bearing locked up solid on a roundabout. But then I'd just paid 200 quid for it from a company called "Dan's Bangers" that existed in Blackwood. so I pretty much got what I paid for.

I knew a couple of people who used to trade semi seriously, they both got fed up with people expecting a new car for a couple of hundred quid. It's also why i scrapped my sherpa rather than try and sell it. despite being MOT'd it had a multitude of faults.

[M'coli]

The main "Dealer's Diary" article in this month's Car Mechanics (pp72-3) is about how some punter's purchase comes back to bite the dealer on the arse.

[CIH]

The main "Dealer's Diary" article in this month's Car Mechanics (pp72-3) is about how some punter's purchase comes back to bite the dealer on the arse.

 

would you care to elaborate ?

[stormee]

I once sold this PB Cresta for £800 on ebay I described as a "generally tidy car, but not show worthy.. starts, stops and drives - solid and looks respectable."

 

 

 

 

You buy a 40 odd year old car for under a grand that was pretty damn tidy and happily drives you a good couple of hundred miles home and you demand a refund because it needed a bulb? Arsehole.

 

Totally agree! A bulb can blow at any time, just bought a BMW with a H1 out.

But, what a nice car that Cresta is! Never seen one, we only got those Opel Rekords over here.

[M'coli]

The main "Dealer's Diary" article in this month's Car Mechanics (pp72-3) is about how some punter's purchase comes back to bite the dealer on the arse.

 

would you care to elaborate ?

Fiesta "sold as seen" for £595 - Sale of goods act bollocks about being advertised with a heated front screen but it didn't have one and hadn't been advertised as having one - trading standards get involved - court procedings - then the MOT had a list of stuff - it's a bit of a saga really, but well worth reading even if you just read it on the newsstand and don't buy it.

[stephen01]

I don't know what people expect for a few hundred quid, I've bought cars off ebay for a few hundred quid and just paid up and drove off, the one chap was shocked when I didn't even want to take it for a test drive, I drove that car to scotland and was great! I then a few months later traded it for a C5 which turned out to be a right lemon, still I did paris in the C5

[Cavcraft]

Part of the problem is there's always some clown who read on the internet/talked to the pub expert that you can buy a second hand car for £200 and if it goes wrong six months later you can sue the vendor for thousands.

People don't want to take responsibility for their own stupidity these days, so it's easier to whine/moan about something they should have checked before buying, but they bought anyway because they only heard what they wanted to hear.

[fiatdaft]

Sadly,that is very true,folk say car salesmen are lying twunts,but i have never met such bunch of snivelling, lying bastards that is the car buying public.

[Cavcraft]

Sadly,that is very true,folk say car salesmen are lying twunts,but i have never met such bunch of snivelling, lying bastards that is the car buying public.

 

Absolutely. Another favourite of mine is where someone says they got ripped off buying a car, you ask them why and they say 'it was too expensive'. These shit for brains get what they deserve really, if you don't do your homework on prices then that's your hard luck.