Another Scrappage victim..........

[FredTransit]

I despair. Did anybody point out the economics of this scrappage con?

[Pete-M]

I despair. Did anybody point out the economics of this scrappage con?

What CAN you say? He'd not used the E30 for a couple of years because it doesn't have PAS (he's not the youngest of people). If he tried to sell it he'd just be swamped with idiots on ebay, auto-trader time wasters, and muppets offering him £50 for it. He bought the E30 new, so he's obviously no stranger to depreciation. To him, it's worth spending £150 recommisioning the E30, fresh mot, oil change and a battery.As far as he's concerned, he's getting £2000 off the price of a new car with PAS. You CANNOT haggle even close to that off the price by waving cash at salesmen, and he's got a shiny new car.I'm pretty sad about it as the E30 would probably do another 145k miles and last another 20 years. That's not to say that I'd want to do 145k miles in a 316. After doing that, I think he deserves a new car..

[Mr_Bo11ox]

Yeah we've been through the economics of the scrappage about 1000000 times and we always conclude that you are not gonna get £2k off anything by any other means. Lets not go through it aall again FFS.

[Mr Lobster]

Lets not go through it all again FFS.

+1 on that.

[CortinaDave]

I despair. Did anybody point out the economics of this scrappage con?

What CAN you say? He'd not used the E30 for a couple of years because it doesn't have PAS (he's not the youngest of people). If he tried to sell it he'd just be swamped with idiots on ebay, auto-trader time wasters, and muppets offering him £50 for it. He bought the E30 new, so he's obviously no stranger to depreciation. To him, it's worth spending £150 recommisioning the E30, fresh mot, oil change and a battery.As far as he's concerned, he's getting £2000 off the price of a new car with PAS. You CANNOT haggle even close to that off the price by waving cash at salesmen, and he's got a shiny new car.I'm pretty sad about it as the E30 would probably do another 145k miles and last another 20 years. That's not to say that I'd want to do 145k miles in a 316. After doing that, I think he deserves a new car..

Why would you bother changing the oil on a car you were binning next week? I know it has to be MOT'd but personally i'd be doing the bare minimum.I'd be jump starting it to get it to the test station as well and explaining to them why it has a duff battery, sod paying 80 notes for only a couple of uses!

[Guest]

Probably worth changing the oil to get it through the emissions.

[FredTransit]

So by the time he's paid for the test, done the work ect it's probably no change from £200, so I can see the savings there....

[Richard]

In most cases the economics of buying through scrappage make sense. I strongly suspect that servicing costs on a new car will wipe out the saving pretty quickly, as will trying to trade it in when the time comes. Kias and Hyundais are strong depreciators at the best of times, imagine them in a flooded market.

[FredTransit]

This is exactly part of what I am talking about. It's gonna be a laugh in about 5 years when they hit the second hand market, the scrappage buyers will wish they kept their old chod then....

[Mr Lobster]

But then a fair number of scrappage buyers will probably run them for years and years anyway. At least til they die which could be quite some time off.

[FredTransit]

Only a small percentage, not everybody.

[Milford Cubicle]

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[Mr_Bo11ox]

If ANYONE ends up thinking, 5 years from now, 'I wish I hadnt bothered with that scrappage thing, what a lousy financial decision that turned out to be' I will eat my hat AND a kebab!

[Mr H Sceptre]

If ANYONE ends up thinking, 5 years from now, 'I wish I hadnt bothered with that scrappage thing, what a lousy financial decision that turned out to be' I will eat my hat AND a kebab!

Mmmmmmmmm. Kebabs.

[Pete-M]

Gotta say, if I was in the market for a new motor and owned something shite'n'scrappageable I'd be taking the bribe.I was at a friends house last night and he showed me a mailshot from one of the local car dealerships. They're offering £5000 off £15k+ cars if you scrappage. Five grand!! I know there'll be a gigantic catch somewhere, but even if it works out at £3k I'd be bloody tempted.

[fiatdaft]

if you do a scrappage with a vauxhall on a new zafira with us,it works out that you can get a 17 k zafira for just over 9k.for the mass of car buying public that do not care about cars,its a no brainer,it makes it about a grand or so cheaper than an year old one.i still wish i had done the scrappage on my coupe 20 valve turbo when i bought my abarth.

[Pete-M]

if you do a scrappage with a vauxhall on a new zafira with us,it works out that you can get a 17 k zafira for just over 9k.

That's £10k more than I'd pay for one though

[Rusty Pelican]

if you do a scrappage with a vauxhall on a new zafira with us,it works out that you can get a 17 k zafira for just over 9k.

That's £10k more than I'd pay for one though

Youd have to pay ME 9K to own a Zafira

[Mr_Bo11ox]

How much could you resell that Zafira for? Delivery mileage only and all that.

[warren t claim]

If ANYONE ends up thinking, 5 years from now, 'I wish I hadnt bothered with that scrappage thing, what a lousy financial decision that turned out to be' I will eat my hat AND a kebab!

I think some scrappage buyers are already feeling a twinge of regret. Very few people went into their local dog gobblers showroom and paid cash plus their Micra/Astra/Freelander part ex for a shiny new i10. Even by now they will have realised that their new car isn't much of an improvement and hanging on to their V reg Micrap would of seen them £199 a month better off. I know I would, especially in four to five years time when every finance payment equals about 30% of the cars value. Can you imagine anyone who falls for this scam continuing to have their car dealer serviced when it costs three times as much as the local garage used to charge them?I predict brisk work for repossession agents and a flood of badly maintained, warranty voided Korean tin with "powered by Fairydust" stickers in the back window flooding the market in the next twelve months.Edited thanks to Fred!

[FredTransit]

couldn't have put it better myself, but I didn't think you could chop in a 6 year old anything.

[fiatdaft]

doubt it tbhcar won't need serviced till its 12 months old,many are cash buyers because they don't trust the banks with their cash.the vast majority of car buyers want a warrantied,safe modern car with no unexpected bills.you could get a new corsa for under £150 per month and as finance is getting harder to get,if they cant afford that its not our fault !btw the first service on a corsa is around £120,do you think they are gonna get their p reg 130k miles mondeo serviced and mot'd for less than that?

[warren t claim]

btw the first service on a corsa is around £120,do you think they are gonna get their p reg 130k miles mondeo serviced and mot'd for less than that?

I doubt that anyone who owns a P reg Mondeo gets it serviced on time anyway, just fixed when things go wrong. No new car warranty will accept that so routine main stealer servicing will be a whole new and expensive experience to Chantelle Marie with her newly aquired Corsa.To be honest the writing has been on the wall for jalopies for a long time. The Crappage scheme is just the latest in a long line of nails in it's coffin. Long before this scheme was introduced many (retarded and fuckwitted) people have seen any car over 10 years old as an embarassment that should be disposed of with approved finance via Carshaft/Welcome/Yes car credit regardless of the long term consequences. I'll bet there are hundreds of Rover 200's in scrapyards all over the country with destroyed head gaskets and two or three years finance outstanding.A fool and their money.....

[Des]

I find that whole scrappage thing as obscene as the next guy, although I can kind of understand why a lot of mugs are falling for it. My missus recently decided she had to have one of those stupid Fiat 500 things, ('They're so cute') don't worry I talked some sense into her, told her to look closely at who drives that type of 'lifestyle' vehicle, asked her if she wants to be one of those people, a dozen or so sightings of the fat faced, inept vacuous morons we have in abundance locally and she's totally cured. But, what if all those fake tan hair extensioned worthless whores had stayed at home that day to watch Trisha? If my efforts failed and she did buy a new car, I have a prob with what to do with her old car, insane to scrap it as it's tax exempt and pretty good nick, but being Leyland not worth much, last cars I've sold have been fatiguing, endless timewasters / idiots since I gave up using egay and went back to classifieds. Last few times I used egay had to deal with chavscum who win a car cheaply because listed as non-runner, then want me to help them get it running before they'll pay, same non-runner relisted and I get a jerk demanding I collect him from an airport, sell a good car and jerk rocks up opens bonnet and performs an oscar worthy act of dismay at the engine not being the one expected and tries to haggle, relist for similar story with another haggler after he uses his xray vision to spot an otherwise undetectable head gasket fail, etc etc. So what I'm saying is, unless I am lucky enough to find a normal person to take on the car within a couple of goes, it will be easy to piss me off and lead me to thinking about that 2 grand to not have to deal with worthless pondlife, Scrappage? fuck yeah.

[warren t claim]

I understand what you mean regarding Ebay timewasters. My problem is with people who think it is a good idea to scrap a perfectly good car that they own outright just to get into debt with a new car that if we are being honest, is no better built or economical than the one they scrappaged. I would not be able to sleep, eat or maintain a workable erection if I knew I had agreed to pay £199 a month over 4/5 years for no real discernible benefit to my motoring life, scrappage or not.

[fiatdaft]

not being funny,but do you not think thousands of cars got scrapped for new ones before there even was a scrappage scheme?people always have and always will buy new cars,thats how you ended up with your current autoshite.imagine if the internet had been around when the mot (10 year) test had been introduced,and thousands of "classics" were wiped out rather quickly.who would the anger be against for that one?

[Tayne]

not being funny,but do you not think thousands of cars got scrapped for new ones before there even was a scrappage scheme?

No, I think thousands of cars were scrapped and their owners bought slightly newer/better 2nd hand cars.

[fiatdaft]

really?spent much time selling new cars have you?

[warren t claim]

I always believed that something with tax and test in serviceable condition was worth selling, not scrapping.

[fiatdaft]

so when the scrap prices went through the roof 2 years ago when you could get £100 for that 1993 tipo through the small adds dealing with junkies/timewasters looking to knock the price down and moaning that it needed 2 tyres. or a guy in a flatbed knocks yer door and offers £150 and he will take it away just now,you would take the £100?