Cat C write off

[FredTransit]

Does cat C need a VIC check? I didn't think so, but just seen a P100 which is cat C and the seller reckons it does. Damage was done 3 years ago, yet it's taxed so he must have a V5 to tax it....

[Anglevan]

P100 would be classed as a commercial as such VIC check does not apply.

[254575]

i always thought it was hit and miss, they seem to randomly select what needs a VIC after a cat c?

[garbaldy]

the local body shop recons all cat C requires a vic but not the D he recons that the surveyers must get payed a bonus for the cat C s because the randomness off the damage does not tally up from car to car

[blackbird]

How would you know what needs a vic Who would say , DLVA ?Ho do you get a cat C back on the road , what's the process ?

[garbaldy]

  blackbird said:

How would you know what needs a vic Who would say , DLVA ?Ho do you get a cat C back on the road , what's the process ?

buy it fix it mot it then vic test it.if you dont know what category it is when you buy it and you send the docs away the doovla will send you a nice letter stateing that you cant have the docs untill you vic test it.

[Anglevan]

If the vehicle is registered as a commercial and it's a CAT C then as already said VIC check does NOT apply.

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the local body shop recons all cat C requires a vic but not the D he recons that the surveyers must get payed a bonus for the cat C s because the randomness off the damage does not tally up from car to car

Sorry but he's wrong - CAT C VIC check is only for cars, there was talk when it was first introduced that eventually it would mean all vehicles as yet this hasn't happened. As for getting bonus to CAT C why ? the assessors are nowt to do with DVLA. Most insurance companies get less salvage value for a CAT C then a CAT D so there would be more CAT D's then C's not the other way round..Yes theres inconsistancies over what CAT's are placed but this is just down to experiance / training of the assessor. Like any job you get good and not so good..

[garbaldy]

  Anglevan said:

If the vehicle is registered as a commercial and it's a CAT C then as already said VIC check does NOT apply.

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sorry but he's wrong - CAT C VIC check is only for cars, there was talk when it was first introduced that eventually it would mean all vehicles as yet this hasn't happened. As for getting bonus to CAT C why ? the assessors are nowt to do with DVLA. Most insurance companies get less salvage value for a CAT C then a CAT D so there would be more CAT D's then C's not the other way round..Yes theres inconsistancies over what CAT's are placed but this is just down to experiance / training of the assessor. Like any job you get good and not so good..

i never said he was right thats just his opinion as no two vehicles are the same but he said some that are very light damage end up cat c and some that have took a hard impact end up as D.as for the commercial i wouldnt believe that either because i know off an old fourtrack which has just been called in for a vic check when the farmer aplied for his tax and that is also registered as a commercial go figure

[fordnut]

I'm pretty sure CAT D's are unrecorded i.e. no insurance claim has been made against the vehicle hence the condition of these vehicles can go from one extreme to the other.

[Volksy]

http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/reposit ... =4aa5ea7f6

 

Theres a phone number on this leaflet to check if it has a VIC marker against the reg.

[FredTransit]

Well now I am confused, the P100 is currently taxed and tested, and the damage occurred 3 years ago so the seller must at least still have a V5 (or maybe gets the reminders) to tax it.

 

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/P100-Ford-pick-up ... 286.c0.m14

 

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Unforunately 3 years ago someone hit me in the back and he was catagory C written off I had him repaired and have been driving him since.

 

"Vehicles categorised as A, B or C require a VIC test before the DVLA will issue a new registration document. This will then be noted on the V5C. See www.dvla.gov.uk for more information on VIC testing.Vehicles categorised as A, B or C require a VIC test before the DVLA will issue a new registration document. This will then be noted on the V5C. See www.dvla.gov.uk for more information on VIC testing."

 

Just looked at the VOSA site and it doesn't say anything about commercials being exempt. The VIC is £41, but you don't have to pay for a V5 for Cat C

[pogweasel]

I don't understand the confusion - it got written off, it got repaired and the chaps been pottering about in it since. What is the issue??Nothing in the listing suggests that anything is untowards, the bit about vic testing has just been lifted verbatim off VOSA/DVLA's website. In certain circumstances it is possible for Cat C / D cars to go back on the road without any work required - an insurance company will write off a car for a dinged door or cracked bumper as a professional repair can exceed 'market value', but the damage does not impair the safety or use of the vehicle...

[FredTransit]

I totally agree Pog, and I am not suggesting there is anything going on, just want to know what I am letting myself in for, as i have a job planned for it. What I don't understand is, if it was written off 3 years ago, how he's taxing it as surely the insurance would have had the V5. Or did he get paid out less the salvage? Either way, how would you tax it again? I don't think there will be a problem, if I had the V5 (not too worried who it's registered to) but not having a V5 would be a bit of a problem. Not send it off I guess....

[pogweasel]

Well the info at the top says he's got the V5.So presumably he got a pay-out + scrap retention. Then presumably whacked it with a hammer & some wood until it was straight again.

[FredTransit]

Yeah I thought that too, as long as he doesn't want to sing over the V5, I can still tax. it.

[FredTransit]

Sod that, they want to fill out the V5.

[pogweasel]

I still don't understand. You want to buy their car. They want to fill out the V5, get you to sign and send off. This is the correct proceedure. If you do not want it to be registered to you, get them to sign the V5, fill out the yellow traders section and let them have that and you keep the V5 ready to be countersigned when you sell it on. Or am I missing something?

[garbaldy]

the fourtrack i was on about before was involved in an accident was written off but the owner kept it, i then bought it and he just gave me the docs which i never bothered to send off as i was going to turn it round within the month,i sold it to the farmer and sent off the docs in his name he recieved a new v5 and taxed it for the year 6 months later he then moted it,the problem didnt arrise untill it was tax time again instead off recieving his reminder to tax he got a letter telling him he couldnt have the v5 without haveing it vic tested.he has spoken to the doovla and they have told him he can either get it vic tested or he wont receive the v5 and cant tax it he told them he has had the v5 for over a year and has also moted it and been useing it all year, there answer get it vic tested or scrap it

[FredTransit]

  pogweasel said:

I still don't understand. You want to buy their car. They want to fill out the V5, get you to sign and send off. This is the correct proceedure. If you do not want it to be registered to you, get them to sign the V5, fill out the yellow traders section and let them have that and you keep the V5 ready to be countersigned when you sell it on. Or am I missing something?

Excellent point. The trader's section. I am happy to test and tax the thing, it will be insured on my trader's policy. I don't want the extra expense of the VIC check, so want to keep the V5. But they want to send it off.

[pogweasel]

They can't send it off if selling to a trader, and there's nowt they can do really to stop a trader from buying it.

[FredTransit]

Excellent idea! Thanks pogweasel!

[FredTransit]

  garbaldy said:

the fourtrack i was on about before was involved in an accident was written off but the owner kept it, i then bought it and he just gave me the docs which i never bothered to send off as i was going to turn it round within the month,i sold it to the farmer and sent off the docs in his name he recieved a new v5 and taxed it for the year 6 months later he then moted it,the problem didnt arrise untill it was tax time again instead off recieving his reminder to tax he got a letter telling him he couldnt have the v5 without haveing it vic tested.he has spoken to the doovla and they have told him he can either get it vic tested or he wont receive the v5 and cant tax it he told them he has had the v5 for over a year and has also moted it and been useing it all year, there answer get it vic tested or scrap it

I wonder if the Post Office would know? Cos we have vans that are not in our name, so don't get the reminder, we tax with the V5. Now they are bar coded though, so would that set some alarm off?

[garbaldy]

  FredTransit said:

  garbaldy said:

the fourtrack i was on about before was involved in an accident was written off but the owner kept it, i then bought it and he just gave me the docs which i never bothered to send off as i was going to turn it round within the month,i sold it to the farmer and sent off the docs in his name he recieved a new v5 and taxed it for the year 6 months later he then moted it,the problem didnt arrise untill it was tax time again instead off recieving his reminder to tax he got a letter telling him he couldnt have the v5 without haveing it vic tested.he has spoken to the doovla and they have told him he can either get it vic tested or he wont receive the v5 and cant tax it he told them he has had the v5 for over a year and has also moted it and been useing it all year, there answer get it vic tested or scrap it

I wonder if the Post Office would know? Cos we have vans that are not in our name, so don't get the reminder, we tax with the V5. Now they are bar coded though, so would that set some alarm off?

i always thought that the vehicle had to be in your name to insure it and tax it. what kinda policy do you have,re the fourtrack i can only think that the doovla take a while to amend the records so it must have sliped the net untill it was due to retax.reading the vosa site it does say that if you own the vehicle that gets writen off and you keep it then you can drive it as long as its road legal so at a guess i would say that the chap is worried that someone buys it then getts hasled into vic testing it.

[FredTransit]

We have a trader's policy, so it's not odd we would tax vehicles not in the company or individual name. We also have an understanding PO, or at least they just make it up as they go along and I agree with them, as long as I get the tax disc!

[garbaldy]

  FredTransit said:

We have a trader's policy, so it's not odd we would tax vehicles not in the company or individual name. We also have an understanding PO, or at least they just make it up as they go along and I agree with them, as long as I get the tax disc!

so who gets the speeding tickets then

[FredTransit]

Well they are our Ltd company name, but the insurance is in the trading name, and I have had grief off one PO for not having them match, but we still have the V5 at out trading address.

[FredTransit]

Well if I went for it, I wouldn't have got a V5 by the seller sending it off to the DVLA. Not a worry now as the production company don't want a Sierra anyway.