(not) Mk3 Transit cheap... and Possible Land Rover?

[KruJoe]

Anyone fancy a go at this?

 

 

(Sorry these pics aren't great, I didn't have my usual camera with me.)

It's near Settle, North Yorkshire.

My neighbour/friend wants rid; they've bought a newer VW bus for the occasions when the whole (large) family go out together, and family hols. They've had this for about 5 years for that purpose. Before that, it was owned by a football club for manager's transport (not big enough for a team - just 8 seats incl. driver).

TurboD, manual.

 

 

Showing 11333 miles, and having looked back through the pages of service history etc, it has probably been around twice. Perhaps just the once?

 

 

Looking around the inside, the miles don't show - would look like new after a good hoover. The seats, two front, two sets of three, (all matching) are that nice velour Ford did in the mid 90s. Driver's seat pictured.

 

 

No luxuries, but the original radio works.

Alloys with two good tyres on the front, rears less so.

He told me there's no T+T, and he want anything over scrap money for it, but looking through the papers, there's a whole two days MOT remaining, and this on the dashboard - it has probably not been out since it was taxed:

 

 

So about 40-50 pounds worth of tax left on it? It started this morning, first touch of the key. No bad smoke or noises, but I didn't take it for a drive.

 

It has always been well maintained and 100% reliable. Only failed it's last test on rot under the back - the tester said if the towbar was used, it would pull the back end off, so that was removed, and welding done. (That was last spring.)

 

 

So just the tin-worm against it. It really is tatty.

 

 

Dunno what else it might need for a test... new front number plate?

Despite the gaffa tape, the interior seems dry.

 

 

Any hope of a save? Or for spares? Is it worth £150? £125?

[CortinaDave]

Thats very reasonable, It'd weigh in for more than that. Lot of motor for little cash!

[Mr Lobster]

That does sound quite cheap at that money. Looks fairly rotten as well so I suppose its value depends on if it can get another ticket.

[FredTransit]

The seats are worth £50 each, the engine and box £200-300 so it's a good buy. It's a Mk4 BTW (and I never thought I would say that!). Oh and the allies will fit most 5 stud transits. I think from the seats it's a transit Executive, the one before the Tourneo. Any idea what the PS is? It will be on the cam belt cover, if the sticker survived.

[KruJoe]

Thanks for that, Fred. So it should be worth it for someone, if no-one on here... Maybe I'll stick it on t' 'bay for him, starting at £99, no reserve. If I do, perhaps I'll plagiarise some of your post for the listing if that's ok?!

I did think it's face was more modern (rounded off lights etc) and a later plate than the Mk3s I remember, but I've never claimed to be a Ford expert. Should have checked before posting- but I knew you'd be on the ball!

I don't know about the PS power rating of this one... will it say on the logbook or not? If you are interested / bothered I can call in at the weekend when (almost) passing and pop the bonnet to look. (Neighbours can be as far as a few miles away, around these parts!) Should I do that, or get a listing up?

 

 

While I'm on, whoever owns the old Landy parked in front probably wants rid, anyone want me to ask about it? No-one has touched it for years(?) and seems to be full of spare bits.

 

Thanks folks.

[Albert Ross]

What's the year on the Landy? Petrol or Diesel?

[wuvvum]

I know it's the worst cliché in the history of ever, but if that weren't so bloody far away I'd hit it. I had a later Transit TD a few years back and liked it a lot when it was running right, but was put off by the PITA fly-by-wire throttle. I think these earlier TDs had a good old-fashioned cable, which I think is a much more sensible solution. And I am in the market for a van at the moment too. It's not the distance itself that's putting me off, just the time it'd take to get up there on the train and drive the thing home - the only day I could realistically do would be a Saturday, and my next two Saturdays are spoken for.

[garycox]

Is is classed as a van or a minibus?I've had 2 this-shape vans but when I tried to get insurance on a Tourneo version I couldn't even get a quote because it was a minibus. Is this the same?

[FredTransit]

Depends on what it's registered as on the log book. We have no problem with the insurance as ours are on the trader's insurance.

[FredTransit]

Thanks for that, Fred. So it should be worth it for someone, if no-one on here... Maybe I'll stick it on t' 'bay for him, starting at £99, no reserve. If I do, perhaps I'll plagiarise some of your post for the listing if that's ok?!I did think it's face was more modern (rounded off lights etc) and a later plate than the Mk3s I remember, but I've never claimed to be a Ford expert. Should have checked before posting- but I knew you'd be on the ball! I don't know about the PS power rating of this one... will it say on the logbook or not? If you are interested / bothered I can call in at the weekend when (almost) passing and pop the bonnet to look. (Neighbours can be as far as a few miles away, around these parts!) Should I do that, or get a listing up?While I'm on, whoever owns the old Landy parked in front probably wants rid, anyone want me to ask about it? No-one has touched it for years(?) and seems to be full of spare bits.Thanks folks.

You are welcome to use anything I put about it for ebay. The PS won't be on the log book, only the engine size. You would be able to find out from Ford which engine it is. The Mk4 came in in 93/4. We are up to Mk7 now. Allegedly .

What's the year on the Landy? Petrol or Diesel?

Here you go -The vehicle details for UGG 591R are:Date of Liability 01 07 2009Date of First Registration 16 03 1977Year of Manufacture 1977Cylinder Capacity (cc) 2286CCCO2 Emissions Not AvailableFuel Type Heavy OilExport Marker Not ApplicableVehicle Status SORN Not DueVehicle Colour BLUEVehicle Type Approval nullThe information contained on this page is correct at the time of enquiry.Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle 6 Months Rate £101.7512 Months Rate £185.00 According to the DVLA it's a diesel. Looks like it's on a SORN, so somebody is keeping up with it. How much does he want for it?

[KruJoe]

So guys, I talked to Adrian today (the minibus is registered in his wife's name.)

Land Rover first:

As I thought, the Landy isn't his, but someone (Reece?) who works for him and used to live nearby, but moved away, and probably wants rid now. He can't remember how long it has been parked up, or if it drove there. Possibly it's just a heap of spares. Adrian said he'll ask Reece to call me tomorrow evening after work, so watch this space.

 

The Minibus...

is just that on the logbook. (Not a van.) Adrian is happy to leave the valid tax disk in for any lucky buyer.

I told him where to look under the bonnet for the PS figure but he found nothing. Sorry.

@ Wuvvum: He is in no desperate need for the space - it's just not doing anyone any favours at the moment - So if you are seriously interested, he's happy to wait a couple weeks or so for you to collect it... would that make it Saturday 2nd May? Realistically, nothing else would happen at this end until at least then - he's unlikely to get 'round to doing anything, and I'm going to be really busy with work etc for the foreseeable - I can waste ages composing listings.

 

Have a snow picture - the track to Adrian's house this winter.

 

 

PS. I've lost the link I had for the DVLA status check... can someone share it again? Thanks.

 

KJ

[wuvvum]

I am seriously interested - has he got a definite cash price for me?

[FredTransit]

go to DVLA.gov.uk and follow the 'tax online' link

[KruJoe]

Thanks Fred, I'll try again.Wuvz - after talking about the ebay route with him, he accepts he may not get any more than £100 for it as it is... but I'm sure he'll be well pleased if I told him you will definitely be at Settle station at x pm, on x May with 125 notes. That's fair isn't it - taxed 'til end of June?

[Albert Ross]

Just to add, according to one site, it's definitely an "Executive D", no idea on the PS rating though, I will check at Ford tomorrow.I will post a link on another site to this thread, re the 88 SW Land Rover. There's a few users near you that might be interested......

[wuvvum]

Thanks Fred, I'll try again.Wuvz - after talking about the ebay route with him, he accepts he may not get any more than £100 for it as it is... but I'm sure he'll be well pleased if I told him you will definitely be at Settle station at x pm, on x May with 125 notes. That's fair isn't it - taxed 'til end of June?

That sounds fair to me. May 2nd should be fine with me if it's OK with him - I'll look into train times tomorrow and pm you.

[Albert Ross]

I've been to Ford this morning, and they tell me with some accuracy, it's the 85 PS Turbo, as long as it's got the original engine in it! Apparently there weren't many, I guess it's the cable type, pre fly-by-wire.....

[FredTransit]

Shouldn't be too sluggish being a SWB and an 85 PS TDI. Did you get my PM KruJoe?

[KruJoe]

Hi all, sorry I've had a busy day. Thanks for your replies, and PMs. Wuvvum check your inbox for number etc. Fred, thanks for your advice, but we'll honour the offer that Wuvz accepts, and they're not after chasing top book. They don't have time/inclination, and if they are happy, so am I, and a top flight autoshiter bags another bargain. I just spoke to the owner of the minibus, and she's well pleased with £125 on 25th Apr or 2nd May, and is more than happy to collect Wuvvum from Settle whenever. Smiles all round, good luck!(Still not heard from Reece about the Land Rover, I'll update if and when. Thanks AlbertR for your efforts.)

[FredTransit]

Fair enough, it's nice to see somebody honouring a deal even if it's not for top money! I am kind of interested in the landy, I just know I will end up with one sooner or later!

[wuvvum]

Wow those seats are comfortable! I've never done 230 miles in one go in a van before, and I have to say I was a bit apprehensive, but it was absolutely fine. It managed to average 36mpg, too, which isn't bad for a Transit, although keeping the speed down to 60-65 probably helped.The engine on these is odd - it's definitely got more go than a standard DI, but you don't feel the turbo boosting like the smiley Transit TDs did. The turbo seems to be intended more to increase the torque than the power - it goes up hills much better than a DI. I didn't have any "bugger-me-this-thing-is-quick" moments like I did with my last Transit (the DOHC petrol one) but nor did I have any "come-on-you-sluggish-pile-of-shit" moments. It keeps up with the traffic OK, although overtaking on single carriageway A-roads takes a bit of forward planning, unlike the drop-it-into-third-and-floor-it method of my last two (petrol-engined) vans. And the PAS is a godsend - lack of PAS was the worst feature in the DOHC van.The plan now is to give it a good look over and work out which of the (many) areas of rust are MoT failure points. I'm aiming to get the van tested by the time the tax runs out at the end of June; once it's got an MoT I'm going to look into the possibility of cranking the boost up a bit - I know the RAC used to do that to their Transits. I don't want to go too wild, but matching the 100PS of the smiley TDs would be nice - I've driven a couple of those and they do go well.By the way, does anyone know which set of speed limits apply to this van? It's not really a commercial vehicle as it's full of seats, but I don't think it counts as a PSV as it only seats eight. Logically I would have thought it should be treated the same as a Previa or any other 8-seater people carrier, but then logic doesn't often feature in road traffic legislation in this sceptred isle.Oh, and I now want to move to north west Yorkshire - it's gorgeous up there. The run from Leeds to Settle was the most scenic train ride I've had since the trip up into the Blue Mountains in Oz last July.

[pogweasel]

By the way, does anyone know which set of speed limits apply to this van? It's not really a commercial vehicle as it's full of seats, but I don't think it counts as a PSV as it only seats eight. Logically I would have thought it should be treated the same as a Previa or any other 8-seater people carrier, but then logic doesn't often feature in road traffic legislation in this sceptred isle.

No idea (and until now I did not know that Transit sized stuff had different rules anyway)I bet plod don't know either - and probably don't give two shits either, as unless you are tanking it past them or you set off their ANPR they are not going to be bothered.

[FredTransit]

Your tourneo is a dual purpose vehicle for the purposes of speed limits, which means the same as a car or MPV.

Dual-purpose vehicle means a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, where the unladen weight does not exceed 2,040 kilograms, and which satisfies the following conditions as to construction:the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;the area to the rear of the driver's seat must -be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for 2 or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests; attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; andbe lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1,850 square centimeters on each side and not less than 770, square centimeters at the rear; andthe distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in sub-paragraph b(i) above or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rear most part of the steering wheel and the rear most part of the floor of the vehicle.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicle ... eme?page=7Oh, and most Mk4/5 seats are brilliant, much better than those cardboard things in the LDV!

[Richard]

No idea (and until now I did not know that Transit sized stuff had different rules anyway)I bet plod don't know either - and probably don't give two shits either, as unless you are tanking it past them or you set off their ANPR they are not going to be bothered.

The first most van drivers know about it is when they get a ticket when they didn't know they were speeding, though it's getting more widely known now. I can assure you that traffic cops do know and they do enforce it. I had a pair of them following me on the A9. I was hovering around 60mph and they were waiting for me to maintain 61mph for more than 3/10 of a mile. As soon as they realised they were rumbled they buggered off. The police run campaigns where they target a specific group- young drivers, rural roads, motorcyclists etc, and van drivers are one of those groups.

[autohausdolby]

The speed limit thing is one of the stupidist laws ever. Presumably it dates from a time when everyone had Austin vans that were a danger to kiddies and kittens over 30mph. My Type 25 is perfectly safe at 70 and that's 25 years old. I might get the can opener around the side panels and stick a sofa in the back = 10mph extra speed!

[wuvvum]

The speed limit thing is one of the stupidist laws ever. Presumably it dates from a time when everyone had Austin vans that were a danger to kiddies and kittens over 30mph. My Type 25 is perfectly safe at 70 and that's 25 years old.

Couldn't agree more. I've just driven the Tranny back from a mate's along one of my favourite winding back roads - sat at 70-75 all the way and felt completely planted the whole time. More so than a lot of cars I've owned. My 1986 LT40 LWB van handled even better, and that had beam axles and cart springs all round. I reckon the lower speed limit is there as a precaution due to the number of LDV 200s / Pilots still on the roads...

[FredTransit]

No trust me it's to stop the single wheel SWB sprinters falling over.....Oh, and my LWB Mk2 transit handles fine at 70 (on a motorway) and I am more than happy to do that speed, depends if you are skilled enough to drive it, not just be present in the driving seat like the new vans.

[dollywobbler]

No trust me it's to stop the single wheel SWB sprinters falling over.....

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Well said! I've never seen any other vans on their sides on motorways, only Sprinters. Just saying that there's no reason for the limit is a bit daft - I mean, an MPV isn't as likely to carry anywhere near the weight of a fully laden van of the same 'spec.' There's more to safety than doing 70mph in a straight line - it's when things go wrong that less speed can be a good thing.

[FredTransit]

TBH you would be surprised at how much a full compliment of passengers can weigh. The only time I ever had the SWB minibus full was for a shoot, and they were only teenagers, not adults. Before that, I always found it nippy, never thought it would struggle, I was only luckily going a short distance and boy did she struggle! Imagine if it had been 9 adults and luggage! Unlikely, cos you would have to load luggage on or under the seats, but if everybody had say a sports bag they would be no need for hitting with any kind of a stick.

[garycox]

What?! A Transit has different speed limits to a normal car?! Really?What are they? And how are you supposed to know? I've driven Transits for 2 years and I never knew that...