Have you all signed the 'Scrap The Scrappage' petition?

[FredTransit]

Didn't I read somewhere the G Wizz can only have either the lights or wipers on when travelling along? I suppose and hope that would be addressed with the new generation of electric cars. OK so there will be fewer emissions in towns, all the same the electricity used to charge the cars will be neither environmentally or financially free!

[Mash]

Just thinking abot this from the other side of the fence for a moment, if you were in the market for a new car you could scam the scheme pretty well.Most people I imagine might have a 2 to 6 year old car to trade in for a brand new one but instead of getting a crap part-ex allowance you'd sell it privately for a decent price and buy a 300 quid shitter to lob in for your scrappage allowance. Must be a clause somewhere along the line

[Milford Cubicle]

Yeah, you have to have owned it for a year running I think

[Guest]

Cash buyers could easily get round that - pay the owner of a shitter to trade it in on their behalf. Not quite so easy if finance is involved.I can see lots of old but tidy grannies' cars being requisitioned by their middle aged children for part-exing against something new

[dollywobbler]

Bollocks. It's happening.

[pogweasel]

CUNTS. That said it is a time-limited policy to march 2010, so maybe not as bad as it could have been?

[Guest]

One year, just long enough to send the remaining used car dealers to the bottom of the sea!

[dollywobbler]

Time limited? Not if it's successful. The German one was limited but they extended it. Big time.Is it time we set up a scrap car company called Auto Shite? We'll take all the scrap old motors! (I know some of us do already... )

[Mr Lobster]

Depends if it is succesful though and personally I just don't think it will be. Time will tell though...

[Mr_Bo11ox]

BASTARDS, now my 'car-loving' mate is gonna trade in his 35000-mile M-reg Rover 214SEi (which I wanted to buy), what a load of greenwashing muthafukaz. Having said that I heard some moron on the radio about 12pm saying the scrap allowance should be a figure more like £8000 not 2000, next they had someone on saying that stamp duty on houses up to £1/2 million should be reduced, what planet are these goons on? EARN SOME CASH AND BUY A CAR YOURSELF, TOSSERS! I'M NOT BUYING ONE FOR YOU! AND JUST PAY YOUR FUGGIN STAMP DUTY LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, ITS PROBABLY LESS THAN 0.01% OF WHAT YOUR HOUSE HAS GAINED IN VALUE OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS!

[dollywobbler]

Some good news in the detail - you must have owned the car for 12 months before you can order a new one and get your £2000. Worth bearing in mind for all those losers who will no doubt be bunging £200 shite on Ebay for £1500 "cuz of scrappidge innit."

[Guest]

And since the scheme ends before 12 months, there's no chance of them all plundering cheap cars now and holding onto them for a year. Do they require MOTs then?

[dollywobbler]

I haven't seen that in the detail yet - that'll be yet further levels of detail!

[Guest]

Its going to raise values of old tat fo' sho' though, there'll be thousands of Ebay retards bidding against each other on crap old junk in the hope that they can punt it on for a few hundred profit, until the significance of the length-of-ownership clause sinks into these peoples brains...

[FredTransit]

And then what? They can't afford a new car, and offload the said tat back onto the market at a loss. UPDATE!It's just on ITV now. The car has to be 10 years old now. Only till March next year. The dealers are loving it!

[wuvvum]

Is there an only-one-car-per-purchase clause like there is with supermarket offers? Or could I technically (not that I would of course) go to a Citroen dealer and exchange three of my old heaps for a brand new C1?

[FredTransit]

Ha ha ha! Nice thought but I bet you can't.

[Guest]

Only till March next year. The dealers are loving it!

Or at least they will do for a year, until the scheme ends and they find themselves in the biggest car sales drought they've ever encountered by bringing forward a few years of "old for new" car-buying into a short space of time. What happens after that?My guess is that the government will then be pressured into continuing the scheme, leaving the motor industry in an everlasting cycle of state aid. Either that or step back and watch it flounder and die and be seen as the "bad man" for not helping out.Basically, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't, the best option would have been to distance themselves from the whole thing and not bother.

[FredTransit]

Also I am wondering how this will affect the dealers and buyers further down the market. Suddenly there will be a huge gap between the 4/5 year old cars (which would be ripe for trading in anyway, just they don@t get scrapped) and the 10+ year olds, or will it be that the remaining survivors of the scrappage scheme will appreciate anyway, even on the open market, due to supply and demand?

[Mr Lobster]

Bit more info on this, seems it is not quite what it seemed it might be -http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArtic ... ge/239684/

"However, the scheme's incentive will be split between the government, which will provide £1000, and the car industry, which will pay the other £1000. As a result, car manufacturers must sign up to be part of the scheme and they are not obliged to take part.""The old vehicle being scrapped must be a passenger car or small van up to 3.5 tonnes, registered in the UK on or before 31 July 1999, currently registered with the DVLA to a UK-domiciled registered keeper making the application or on a SORN notice, have a current MOT test certificate, and have been continuously registered to the owner for the 12 months precedeing the purchase."

So, if manufacturers have to put up £1000 themselves then you can be fairly sure there will be no other deals to be had. And its not exactly hard to get £2k off a new car at the moment and as it only applies to new cars then I really don't imagine this will have a massive impact.

[FredTransit]

Well TBH I am not completely insensed by this any more, when you scratch the surface it's obvious it's a band aid to cure a broken leg, and obviously a well hyped marketing ploy. If the dealer is liable for a grand of the discount, you might as well ask for that and you don't need a scrapper to get it.

[Mr Lobster]

It does seem to be a bit of a smoke and mirrors trick tbh and whilst some people will use it, there really isn't that great an offer behind the hype.

[FredTransit]

So, just like most things with the government then. Glad we sorted that out. No change there.....

[dollywobbler]

It does seem to be a bit of a smoke and mirrors trick tbh and whilst some people will use it, there really isn't that great an offer behind the hype.

Shame too many people don't look beyond the hype! "Oooh, £2000? Sod it, I won't pay £300 to get my old motor through the MoT, I'll somehow find £6000 and buy a new car!"

[Spottedlaurel]

Copy of my post on OJC about this:I’m not convinced it will make that much difference, with the state of the economy and pensioners’ concerns about their income I think the number who own our type of cars and will have the disposable income to spend the necessary £6k+ or whatever will be pretty small. Not to say people won’t try to convince them otherwise, and doubtless some will be lost to this, but as there still appears to be more cars around than people willing to buy them should we worry that much?Unless ‘we’ actively buy and save these cars their future can never be guaranteed. Look at the resounding lack of interest in the sale of my Bluebird for example. I imagine a lot of people would moan like anything if they saw that destined for the crusher as a result of this scheme, yet I’ve got it for sale for very little money and it’s still here. Chances are I’ll be cashing the tax in, robbing its tyres for the Laurel and it’ll get sold off cheaply, probably ending up on the track. No different really is it?

[FredTransit]

Just been on the news, vehicles (included vans up to 3.5ton)Regd July 1999 or olderRegistered keeper over 12 monthsNo restrictions on what it's offset againstNo mention of the MOT though, have they dropped that?And I think I know where the 300 mil is coming from

AA president Edmund King said: "Drivers will be delighted that a scrappage scheme has been given the green light, however, motorists will be furious that Mr Darling has landed a fuel duty bombshell to pay for it."He went on: "In petrol alone, the UK consumes 64.5 million litres a day. A 2p rise in prices produces £1.3 million extra tax per day or nearly £475 million over a year. So petrol sales alone will more than pay for scrappage."

[dollywobbler]

Just been on the news, vehicles (included vans up to 3.5ton)Regd July 1999 or olderRegistered keeper over 12 monthsNo restrictions on what it's offset againstNo mention of the MOT though, have they dropped that?

Not as far as I'm aware. Different sources seem to fail to include different aspects of it. Where this really will kick in is that lovely Datsun that the old chap next door owns. He might have already said you can have it when he finally invests in a new car. Suddenly, to him, it's worth £2000. He probably isn't going to let you have it for £300. Or perhaps I'm doing old people a disservice - maybe they can see this for the non-offer it really is!

[FredTransit]

Is your Datsun owner looking forward to putting up the rest of the purchase price then? I would offer to go with him and pressure them into giving him the discount without the car, or maybe try for as much as you can and offer to give the difference (you can bet it won't be 2 grand). Sales are down 30%, they can't afford to turn any buyer away.

[Milford Cubicle]

Regd July 1999 or older

Registered keeper over 12 months

No restrictions on what it's offset against

Excellent, does this mean I can get £2k for a Daihatsu Charade Turbo Diesel against a Porsche Cayenne Turbo? Unlikely scenario admittedly.

[FredTransit]

Yep,

And environmental groups were upset that the car-scrappage scheme will involve participants being able to purchase any new vehicle rather than, as has been expected, just the less-polluting ones.

Here's the full articlehttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... aplbLauU_g