Absurb dealer scrappage marketing bollocks

[dollywobbler]

Maybe someone should offer to buy it? For considerably less than £2000 I'd suggest...

[scooters]

I got a cold call from the Volvo dealer only yesterday - How would you like to take advantage of the scrappage scheme and trade in your '97 850 estate for a new V70???me: "why would I do that?"them" well your car is quite old now and you could get....a new one!)me:"what do your records show about my car"them "well you last had it serviced by us 3 months ago"me"and what was the milage?"them" 54k"me"OK so let me get this straight - you want me to give you my low milage top of the range estate car which according to the logbook your company sold it with has service stamp slots for 150k and also give you nigh on £20k and you, in return, will give me a brand new V70????"them "yes - what a great offer it is"me "I don't see it that way - given the 850 has a lot of life left in it and IMHO is the last proper car Volvo made before buying into disposable motoring I think I'll stilck with the 850"them"well, I can inderstand that, we aren't getting much luck only yesterday we offered to scrap a 1979 245 DL which had done 500,000 miles and the owner told us no - imagine that?" me"this is what I can't understand. You Volvo dealers have been trading on the reputation the 240, 740 and 940 carved out with their reputation for huge milages - you now make rebadged Fords and you still claim the ability to cover high milages and yet in the next breath you treat those who are giving your marque this reputation by keeping their old Volvos on the road with contempt. For your information a well maintained 245 DL is one of the most reliable cars ever made and with 500k is just about run in. A testimony to your company when the cars were run by engineers rather than by the - lets stick some plastic on it brigade"

[michiel]

[FredTransit]

I got a cold call from the Volvo dealer only yesterday - How would you like to take advantage of the scrappage scheme and trade in your '97 850 estate for a new V70???me: "why would I do that?"them" well your car is quite old now and you could get....a new one!)me:"what do your records show about my car"them "well you last had it serviced by us 3 months ago"me"and what was the milage?"them" 54k"me"OK so let me get this straight - you want me to give you my low milage top of the range estate car which according to the logbook your company sold it with has service stamp slots for 150k and also give you nigh on £20k and you, in return, will give me a brand new V70????"them "yes - what a great offer it is"me "I don't see it that way - given the 850 has a lot of life left in it and IMHO is the last proper car Volvo made before buying into disposable motoring I think I'll stilck with the 850"them"well, I can inderstand that, we aren't getting much luck only yesterday we offered to scrap a 1979 245 DL which had done 500,000 miles and the owner told us no - imagine that?" me"this is what I can't understand. You Volvo dealers have been trading on the reputation the 240, 740 and 940 carved out with their reputation for huge milages - you now make rebadged Fords and you still claim the ability to cover high milages and yet in the next breath you treat those who are giving your marque this reputation by keeping their old Volvos on the road with contempt. For your information a well maintained 245 DL is one of the most reliable cars ever made and with 500k is just about run in. A testimony to your company when the cars were run by engineers rather than by the - lets stick some plastic on it brigade"

You tell em! IF Ford could still call us about our Mk2 transit we bought in 1986 (we still have it, but have moved and changed numbers and the dealership closed) I think I might be a little bit er, less polite! Anyway, have you seen the price of Mk2 transits these days?

[scooters]

damn right AND ANOTHER THING - yes they may give me 2k off the price of a new V70 with the same spec as my 850 is ...wait for it...32 grand!ummm...let me think about this for a moment.I like crap old cars and when I see an ok old car like an 850 (which I do not think is especially old) then I think result.I paid £1200 for my 850 - it's all wheel drive, full service history, new tyres and exhaust and had 50k on the clock. That's a 30 grand saving in my book.That's why I'm not too concerned about scrappage - you see at the end of the day you still need to find the cash/loan for the difference - and who has any cash at the moment?

[dollywobbler]

That's why I'm not too concerned about scrappage - you see at the end of the day you still need to find the cash/loan for the difference - and who has any cash at the moment?

Um, the scheme has been quite successful. Mainly because old duffers wheel their old 'bangers' into the dealerships for a new Kia Picanto. Unfortunately, the old bangers often seem to be in very good condition, often with low mileage.If I get that stupid in my old age, please kill me!

[pompei]

Yes, it gives me a warm glow to know that my hard earned taxes are helping support the Korean motor industry

[scooters]

yeah - the real carnage is with the 80's and 90's marques those Riley 55 situations are the exception.I can't belive that environment motivated opponents to this scheme, including the green party - have not been more vocal in the environmental HARM caused by not using a car to the end of its life and the cost to the environment of building a new car.I saw a mint 960 with a measley 120k going for scrappage last week. 2k off the list price versus £1k in a private sale. That's how the owner saw it. Had I a grand spare I would have offered it there and then. What I can't get my head around is that the car dealers will knock 2k off a list price anyway if you haggle with them - especially now and most consdidering this scheme don't seem to ask the question "who sets the price in the first place?"

[FredTransit]

Two things, which I am sure I have mentioned before. 1, WHY are all these dealers when interviewed, try to say they are 'getting all these old bangers off the road' like its a favour to the environment? As scooters just said, it's unbelievable the environmentalists haven't been shouting louder about this. Oh that's right, the government shut them up cos they are not going to get any taxes out of the environmental angle this time....2, WHY has nobody noticed how much of a caning the second hand dealers are going to take in about a years time (if not sooner) when they have no stock? It's well known the little dealers get their stock either directly from the dealership's trade ins, or from them via the auctions.

[peter9000uk]

Fred, It's already happening. I work partime for a motor trader and it is hard work getting good stock at the moment. It all seems to be 4-5 year old stuff we are getting offered at the moment and not the price range stuff we like to trade in. Having said that we managed to bag a 1 vicar owned R reg Laguna estate the other day with full Renault history.

[fiatdaft]

Will try not to upset things but i wished i had done the scrappage thing with my fiat coupe.yes really got a new abarth in march ,bought and paid for.if you want a new abarth , there is no discount,zero,zilch,zippo.every one i called was the same,abarth rules.advertise the coupe then,good car,best spec,endless mongs getting in touch,so traded it it for a car for the dogs and in the trade in it worked out i got just over half the scrappage allowance for it.now it will prob go to auction,some skank will buy it blow it up then it will prob get broken up.nice.controversial i know,but my circumstances .

[FredTransit]

Fred, It's already happening. I work partime for a motor trader and it is hard work getting good stock at the moment. It all seems to be 4-5 year old stuff we are getting offered at the moment and not the price range stuff we like to trade in. Having said that we managed to bag a 1 vicar owned R reg Laguna estate the other day with full Renault history.

So apparently the used car dealers don't pay so much in taxes so they don't count eh?

[Station]

Two things, which I am sure I have mentioned before. 1, WHY are all these dealers when interviewed, try to say they are 'getting all these old bangers off the road' like its a favour to the environment? As scooters just said, it's unbelievable the environmentalists haven't been shouting louder about this. Oh that's right, the government shut them up cos they are not going to get any taxes out of the environmental angle this time....

Even Jeremy Frigging Clarkson said that. The Govt. are in the pockets of the banks and the car industry. I'm not sure how helping out GM or Nissan or Honda or Volvo is going to help OUR economy. Is the American govt. doing the same? Or the Korean? There's not many govt's that would freely help out other country's economies by giving an 'advance' on buying their cars. If I were in power in the 70's, I would've made it mandatory to buy BL.

[Guest]

WHY has nobody noticed how much of a caning the second hand dealers are going to take in about a years time (if not sooner) when they have no stock? It's well known the little dealers get their stock either directly from the dealership's trade ins, or from them via the auctions.

Surely the net effect that every 12-month old car is now worth at least 2 grand less than the equivalent 12-month old car was in 2008. Same for 2, 3, 4 year old cars etc. So it figures that there might be a lot less under the 2 grand bracket available, but on average 2 grand will buy a rather newer car than it would have done this time last year.Is my logic faulty here?

[FredTransit]

Won't used cars j7ust move down/up the price scale though? If there are less sub 2 grand cars, people will either have to find that bit more (or walk) so have to look upwards in the price scale, so the crap end of the market will be worth more, as there are less of em about, with the scrappage cars being well scrapped.... Supply and demand isn't it? I don't mean everything will suddenly be worth 2 grand more though....

[Mr Lobster]

Plenty of dealers I've seen using 'bangers' to advertise the scrappage scheme. Most of them have tatty looking Astras, Escorts and so on which doesn't really get me that bothered as they look as though they wouldn't be far from the scrapyard anyway.However, last night spotted the local Bini dealer with the usual "£2000 for this!" sticker on a 1974(ish) Triumph 1500 Toledo thing. Car itself did look a bit tatty but even so...I'll have a drive up when I get chance and get a photo as I didn't have my camera with me last night. But for those who might be passing, the dealership is Lloyd Mini, end of M65 at Colne.

[Jon]

I saw that too and was also sans camera. Light blue with raised letter number plates, it looked a little tired but really honest - ie proper Autoshite spec. Still, some good news though; I saw it on 16th June, so don't reckon it's a scrappage deal, otherwise it'd need to be scrapped within 2 weeks.It also looked like it'd been pulled out of a garage after a few years storage or something, it was so 'period' looking. And anyway, who'd chop in something like that for something so tasteless? (apart from the Riley story).