Some questions regarding Peugeot 405s

[Junkman]

Well there genuinely seems to be more 405s still on the uk roads than any if them so I guess thats very telling in of itself.

 

There are hardly any 405s still on UK roads, but it will take a few more years for this fact to sink in.

[DVee8]

The white room has 1,and it looks very nice .I dont think the price is that bad with only 27000 miles.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-Widely-Acclaimed-Peugeot-405GR-with-Just-27-847-Miles-and-Two-Owners-/282178012861?hash=item41b31ec6bd:g:MpsAAOSwNRdX2sHx

 

[Junkman]

Well, it's currently the only one for sale, so either cough up, or walk.

[Junkman]

Well, you could import this one:

 

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C805379

 

 

But it's going to be slim pickings from now on.

[DVee8]

Oh that 1 looks sweet and a better price.How easy would it be to import from Wales?

[Junkman]

In that there France the 405 has already acquired total cult status and prices do reflect that.

For good ones they pay around 2,000 Roros now. Check Leboncoin.

[Shep Shepherd]

I'll never forget the TV advert which heralded the arrival of the 405 in the UK

[Junkman]

This one?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8GHiY6jmR8

[MarinaJosh]

There are hardly any 405s still on UK roads, but it will take a few more years for this fact to sink in.

 

There's still a few knocking about round these parts. Usually diesel estates with dents on every panel and filled with junk (just how I'd have one). There's far more 205s out and about round here though. There were a few other 309s locally a few years ago but they all seem to have disappeared now! 405s seem to survive a lot better than their competitors around here though. Used to see a few Sierras, hardly any Cavs or the like though. I know first hand Peugeots of this era do rot but they are able to hide it a lot easier in many places thanks to that ridiculously thick underseal they used which is probably even stronger than the steel it was applied to. Saying that my diesel 309 has had tons of welding but it's been a Suffolk car all it's life so subject to a lot of mud and salt for 6 months of the year for over twenty years.

 

I like this one myself... https://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-wanted/peugeot-405-diesel-estate-.spares-or-repair-%C2%A3100/1207336395

 

This was only 25 miles away, did hum and ha about it but I am trying to start spending money on the cars I already have before getting any more for a change!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-405-TURBO-DIESEL-ESTATE-/132031317773?hash=item1ebdae070d%3Ag%3A3XkAAOSwA3dYTWRL&nma=true&si=l4%252FWwbiBA27OhYA9hSqrqkCPbmA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

[Timewaster]

I love the look of the dash in the earlier cars but they were a bit airfix quality.

Later ones were better built but dull in comparison.

[DVee8]

 

 

DO NOT WASH.

[DVee8]

Anyone heard of this site

 

http://www.brilliantsave.co.uk/peugeot-405-cars?t=bzk-1114-2118985_5337592655

[Junkman]

MarinaJosh, on 31 Dec 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

I know first hand Peugeots of this era do rot but they are able to hide it a lot easier in many places thanks to that ridiculously thick underseal they used

If there is one thing 405s don't do, it's rot. In fact, they are so rot resistant, that many people wrongly assume they are galvanised.

They do not have any thick underseal applied from the factory either. None of mine had any trace of rust, except the blue saloon,

which was the only one that was undersealed with ridiculously thick underseal, presumably by a garage.

[MarinaJosh]

That is strange. A lot of people assume 205s and 309s don't rot much but they do and they are galvanised! They usually rot around the edges of the factory undersealing, damp creeps in behind it and a tiny hairline crack in the underseal can reveal a nice hole underneath. Wonder why Pug didn't galvanise the 405?

[Lacquer Peel]

I think they are mostly galvanised, and they do rot around the rear end especially.

[Junkman]

4 out of my 5 had/have no underseal. You can see paint on the inner wings and floor. Neither of them had/has a trace of rust.

1 was heavily undersealed and did require welding to the rear portions of the sills, where the underseal had cracked and trapped moisture.

[carlo]

I can certainly vouch for the fact they don't rot, have had seven in the last ten years and not one has been rusty at all, or has needed any welding for an MOT (that's about 15 MOTs in all); so a pretty good indicator of their rust resistance.  Certainly makes a lot of 1990/2000 Fords and Mercedes look pretty silly.  Can't recall ever having had one overheat either, we spent eight hours on the M5 yesterday including two getting through Bristol and the thing was absolutely fine.  Not a bad place to be in a traffic jam anyway.

 

 

Yes the engines do sound a bit uncouth - all mine have been 2.0 petrols - but they are torquey and an unstressed lump which suits the car well.  Even my automatics feel rapid.  And yes I've jyst noticed, the dipped beam is pretty ropey.

 

That reg GTX Mark I automatic seems to have been on sale all this year, four times in a row 'sold' on ebay.  It looks lovely and is a supposedly more 'classic' earlier model so don't know why it hasn't sold properly.

[pshome]

After loads of 504's  and 505's i once decided to buy a smart looking 405 for a change.

It took only a week before i found myself failling to exit one of the giant pot holes that distinguish Nigerian motorways having lost half the front suspension.

Switched back to 504/5 and all was fine..  

 

The 405 is by far not as mechanically solid as it's predecessors and it's because of the 405 that Peugeot lost the African market which they literally "owned" in the 70's and 80's.

 

Sorry for spoiling the fun here

[Junkman]

I can certainly vouch for the fact they don't rot, have had seven in the last ten years and not one has been rusty at all, or has needed any welding for an MOT (that's about 15 MOTs in all); so a pretty good indicator of their rust resistance.  Certainly makes a lot of 1990/2000 Fords and Mercedes look pretty silly.  Can't recall ever having had one overheat either, we spent eight hours on the M5 yesterday including two getting through Bristol and the thing was absolutely fine.  Not a bad place to be in a traffic jam anyway.

 

 

Yes the engines do sound a bit uncouth - all mine have been 2.0 petrols - but they are torquey and an unstressed lump which suits the car well.  Even my automatics feel rapid.  And yes I've jyst noticed, the dipped beam is pretty ropey.

 

That reg GTX Mark I automatic seems to have been on sale all this year, four times in a row 'sold' on ebay.  It looks lovely and is a supposedly more 'classic' earlier model so don't know why it hasn't sold properly.

 

If you ever find an estate with that interior being broken, please let me know.

[carlo]

After loads of 504's  and 505's i once decided to buy a smart looking 405 for a change.

It took only a week before i found myself failling to exit one of the giant pot holes that distinguish Nigerian motorways having lost half the front suspension.

Switched back to 504/5 and all was fine..  

 

The 405 is by far not as mechanically solid as it's predecessors and it's because of the 405 that Peugeot lost the African market which they literally "owned" in the 70's and 80's.

 

Sorry for spoiling the fun here

 

I'm sure you're right and I would love a 504 or a 505 - if I could afford one.  I reckon the 405 was mechanically pretty strong for it's time though, and it has that combination of affordability and chuckability which the older two don't.

[Junkman]

pshome, on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:pshome, on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:pshome, on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:pshome, on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:pshome, on 31 Dec 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

After loads of 504's  and 505's i once decided to buy a smart looking 405 for a change.

It took only a week before i found myself failling to exit one of the giant pot holes that distinguish Nigerian motorways having lost half the front suspension.

Switched back to 504/5 and all was fine..  

 

The 405 is by far not as mechanically solid as it's predecessors and it's because of the 405 that Peugeot lost the African market which they literally "owned" in the 70's and 80's.

 

Sorry for spoiling the fun here

 

I don't doubt that for a second and would happily swap my 405 for a 505 in the same condition, but for some odd reason hitherto failed to find someone agreeing to the deal.

Well, since I rarely drive to Africa these days, I'm afraid my 405 will have to suffice for the time being. It holds up pretty well in the UK, despite the back roads look like something

imported from Albania in 1991.

I could use my Range Rover though, which shares the heater motor with the 405, so can't be all bad.

 

What I certainly won't do, however, is downgrading to a later Peugeot, because they are gopping tosh.

[Junkman]

However, I just googled and found out that the petrol price in Nigeria is 30p a litre.

Sounds more like Big Block and two four barrel Holleys to me, than Peugeot.

[pshome]

However, I just googled and found out that the petrol price in Nigeria is 30p a litre.

 

 

Did it get that expensive? Must be a recent development.

[D Spares & Tyres]

 

 

Sorry for spoiling the fun here

405s do rot. quite badly in some cases

 

It just takes longer than in other cars

 

My last 3 all needed quite a bit of welding. One was not worth doing due to rot on the strut tops, rear suspension mounts,sills  and front inner wings.

 

My current one needs the sills welding

 

Great cars though,

[Eddie Honda]

If there is one thing 405s don't do, it's rot.

And every time JM says this, I have to refer him to Exhibit A:

 

[Junkman]

Untreated stone chip?

At least it proves that they aren't galvanised.

[cms206]

I've not done a 405 yet which is something I really should rectify, but the 272k mile P-reg 406 2.1TD estate I got from WilsonSquared is probably the most capable car I've ever owned.

 

It does rot. Spectacularly. Need to do the sills again this year I think.

 

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[Junkman]

This Roland Garros popped up in .fr a few years ago:

 

 

Sadly I lost the ensuing race to the interior.

 

Was there an even rarer version?

[DVee8]

Loads for sale.Still available?who knows

 

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/peugeot/405

[Junkman]

I wouldn't use the term 'loads' for a handful of hanging wrecks. But it's all a matter of perspective, I suppose.