Unwelt Zone shite Berlin

[SOUL]

[mercrocker]

Forgotten how nice those Fulvia Berlinas looked....

[Jon]

Look at the plates on that 405! Shouldn't they have been traded in for the newer style font by now? Or do they remain if the car doesn't change hands? Either way, the more I see of it, the more Berlin is on the 'to do' list when I'm next in the European vicinity. 

[hairnet]

oooof

 

lancia

 

taxi lol

[garethj]

Nice!  That orange scooter is particularly grim, wonder if it would out-smoke a Trabbie?

[pshome]

Look at the plates on that 405! Shouldn't they have been traded in for the newer style font by now? Or do they remain if the car doesn't change hands?

No need to replace, only newly issued plates must be of the new format. Even if ownership changes wiithin town number and plates can be kept. Since may this year, we can now also keep the registration when moving to another town as long as ownership does not change.

 

Reading here about the DVLA, Sorn, trillions of forms and other shit you guys have to deal with, i am more than happy  with the simplicity and efficiency of the german car registration system. Your insurances also seem to be a nightmare and a lot more expensive compared to what we have here.

[nacho man]

Berlin is a ace city, have been going at least once every couple of years.

 

 

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[Junkman]

Reading here about the DVLA, Sorn, trillions of forms and other shit you guys have to deal with, i am more than happy  with the simplicity and efficiency of the german car registration system.

Since the Brits aren't used to filling out forms at all, some suffer from some kind of form shock in regards to changing ownership of a car and make it thus sound a lot worse than it really is. In reality the process is comparatively unbureaucratic, free of charge and I don't have to queue at some fucking Zulassungstelle run by a local Dienststellenführer making his own rules.

SORN can be done via the internet and is also free of charge. The same thing is called vorübergehende Stillegung in Germany, requires filling a form, going to the Zulassungstelle in Person, removing the stickers from the number plates in front of a clerk there, and paying a fee.

 

Your insurances also seem to be a nightmare and a lot more expensive compared to what we have here.

 

If that were the case, insurances in Germany must have become significantly cheaper and less nightmarish since 2002.

Also, considering German used car prices, I can run a car bought here on expensive* UK insurance for decades, until I make up the difference.

I've lived in many countries and had cars registered in each one of them. I find it is nowhere cheaper to buy and own cars than it is in the UK,

especially when you also consider this laughable and pointless MoT comedy show, which enables you to drive some hilarious rubbish you elsewhere

would be arrested if you drove it anywhere else than in your back garden.

[John F]

Junkman, on 25 Nov 2015 - 11:27 AM, said:

some fucking Zulassungsstelle

 

You've been away too long... spelling corrected

 

Junkman, on 25 Nov 2015 - 11:27 AM, said:

this laughable and pointless MoT comedy show

 

In my experience, the German HU (DEKRA, TÃœV) can be much worse... quite apart from the fact that many examples of 1970s chod are more than capable of LITERALLY dissolving into dust in the 2 years between Hauptuntersuchungen, there was a pigeon shit patch on the bottom of the l/h sill of Miss F's old Twingo that IMO would never have got through an MOT over here.

 

But you're essentially right in what you say - car ownership in GB is much easier and cheaper than in Germany.

[John F]

pshome, on 25 Nov 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:pshome, on 25 Nov 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:pshome, on 25 Nov 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:pshome, on 25 Nov 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

Your insurances also seem to be a nightmare and a lot more expensive compared to what we have here.

 

I've got six cars - see my signature below - on one insurance policy (Vollkasko, kleine Selbstbeteiligung, einschl. Pannendienst europaweit), with four other named drivers on the policy... arranged over the phone, total cost EUR 711 per year 

[Junkman]

You've been away too long... spelling corrected

 

UK spell checker not working with German words shocker!

[John F]

I didn't even know there was a forum spell checker...

[Junkman]

Not sure which spell checker I have on this here computer thingy, but it works well with this and other forums.

[pshome]

I've got six cars - see my signature below - on one insurance policy (Vollkasko, kleine Selbstbeteiligung, einschl. Pannendienst europaweit), with four other named drivers on the policy... arranged over the phone, total cost EUR 711 per year 

similar here, 5 "classics" + two daily drivers (Zafira + Corolla), full "Vollkasko" cover with 150€ deductible, six named drivers (including 17 year old son) and road side assistance with towing home (not just to the next garage) is about 800€ per year.

When i read what you guys pay in the UK, especially for young drivers, sounds a lot more or did i misread something?

 

PS

[Junkman]

I don't have that many cars insured, but it would cost me roughly £180 per year for the first car and <=£100 for each additional one, so I guess not dissimilar to yours.

Young drivers can change this significantly though, I mustard mitt.

[pshome]

Since the Brits aren't used to filling out forms at all, some suffer from some kind of form shock in regards to changing ownership of a car and make it thus sound a lot worse than it really is. In reality the process is comparatively unbureaucratic, free of charge and I don't have to queue at some fucking Zulassungstelle run by a local Dienststellenführer making his own rules.

SORN can be done via the internet and is also free of charge. The same thing is called vorübergehende Stillegung in Germany, requires filling a form, going to the Zulassungstelle in Person, removing the stickers from the number plates in front of a clerk there, and paying a fee.

 

 

.. which took 10 minutes i did that last time after the 505 went up in flames and i learned that it could have been done online now... well next time.

 

Admittedly, waiting time on the Zulassungstelle seems to be different from town to town, here in Munich its usually quick and no queue, but i heard Berlin is a true nightmare and you easliy waste a full day there.

 

TÃœV is a game of luck, tester may have a bad day and you fail for no reason, next time you present a wreck that literally falls apart and it passes OK with no mention. Generally, unless the car is really dangerous to drive, its not difficult to pass. Having to get MOT for seven cars every year sounds like a nightmare to me. Even at our two year cycle i think "what again one of the cars is due" every so often,

[Junkman]

I fully agree. The sooner this stupid MoT nonsense is relegated to the dungheap of history, where it belongs, the better for all involved.

[John F]

pshome, on 25 Nov 2015 - 3:15 PM, said:

similar here, 5 "classics" + two daily drivers (Zafira + Corolla), full "Vollkasko" cover with 150€ deductible, six named drivers (including 17 year old son) and road side assistance with towing home (not just to the next garage) is about 800€ per year.

When i read what you guys pay in the UK, especially for young drivers, sounds a lot more or did i misread something?

 

PS

 

Yeah, about the same then.

 

Yes, it's true that young drivers have to pay a fortune here, but the accident statistics show them to be involved in more accidents. Is that not the same in Germany?

 

 

pshome, on 25 Nov 2015 - 3:23 PM, said:

.. which took 10 minutes i did that last time after the 505 went up in flames and i learned that it could have been done online now... well next time.

 

Admittedly, waiting time on the Zulassungstelle seems to be different from town to town, here in Munich its usually quick and no queue, but i heard Berlin is a true nightmare and you easliy waste a full day there.

 

TÃœV is a game of luck, tester may have a bad day and you fail for no reason, next time you present a wreck that literally falls apart and it passes OK with no mention. Generally, unless the car is really dangerous to drive, its not difficult to pass. Having to get MOT for seven cars every year sounds like a nightmare to me. Even at our two year cycle i think "what again one of the cars is due" every so often,

 

^ lol! Zulassungsstelle

 

Yep, it's easy to forget when a car is due for MOT. But from a safety perspective it's quite surprising how much they can deteriorate from one year to the next, so I don't think it's a bad thing. Have you seen my MX-5 welding thread? That car had passed an MOT just 4 months earlier, the front of the chassis would quite possibly have fallen off over a 2-year time period..!

[pshome]

 

 

^ lol! Zulassungsstelle

 

 

being in the south and not the east, "SS" is not really my thing 

[pshome]

Yeah, about the same then.

 

Yes, it's true that young drivers have to pay a fortune here, but the accident statistics show them to be involved in more accidents. Is that not the same in Germany?

 

 

 

^ lol! Zulassungsstelle

 

Yep, it's easy to forget when a car is due for MOT. But from a safety perspective it's quite surprising how much they can deteriorate from one year to the next, so I don't think it's a bad thing. Have you seen my MX-5 welding thread? That car had passed an MOT just 4 months earlier, the front of the chassis would quite possibly have fallen off over a 2-year time period..!

TÃœV tried have legislation changed and shorten it to one year for older cars on claims that the failure rate increases with car age (not really a  surprise...). Would have doubled their revenues, but they didnt succeed after some journalist found their statistics been manipulated...

[LessThanEqual]

similar here, 5 "classics" + two daily drivers (Zafira + Corolla), full "Vollkasko" cover with 150€ deductible, six named drivers (including 17 year old son) and road side assistance with towing home (not just to the next garage) is about 800€ per year.

When i read what you guys pay in the UK, especially for young drivers, sounds a lot more or did i misread something?

 

PS

I'm 19 and I paid £829 for fully comprehensive cover with no added extras, 0 no claims, and £1350 excess on a 1996 Polo 1.6. And I live in an A rated area. Oh yeah, my mum is a named driver on the policy.

[pshome]

 

Yes, it's true that young drivers have to pay a fortune here, but the accident statistics show them to be involved in more accidents. Is that not the same in Germany?

 

I dont really know about the statistics. Here the kids usually get cover on dad's insurance policy and if they are accident free for some years, they can carry the rebate over to their own policy. Insurances are eager to get the youngsters as a long term customer, people dont change insurance here often and stick for years or live with the same company.

New drivers licenses are now always probationary for 2 years, probation extended for 2 more years along with some costly "extra schooling" on minor offences and  license is easily lost for more serious things . That keeps things under control i guess.

[Junkman]

Have you seen my MX-5 welding thread? That car had passed an MOT just 4 months earlier, the front of the chassis would quite possibly have fallen off over a 2-year time period..!

 

I rest my case re. MoT pointlessness.

[John F]

Tough legislation has been introduced here to stop younger drivers from driving like idiots over the last few years - perhaps a younger driver might like to add the details? It's now apparently quite easy for them to lose their licences if they're caught driving 'dangerously' in their first few years of motoring.

 

Also, a lot of insurance companies are insisting that young drivers fit trackers with speed / acceleration / braking sensors and "curfew" devices (e.g. so they can't drive the car after 10pm) in exchange for cheaper insurance premiums. Again, I don't know the details.

[John F]

Junkman, on 25 Nov 2015 - 4:10 PM, said:Junkman, on 25 Nov 2015 - 4:10 PM, said:Junkman, on 25 Nov 2015 - 4:10 PM, said:Junkman, on 25 Nov 2015 - 4:10 PM, said:

I rest my case re. MoT pointlessness.

 

Not really - rot might only become visible / non-invasively detectable after an MOT is passed. That is more likely to be a problem if the interval between tests was longer.

 

And what pshome says applies to GB as well - one MOT tester might do a better / more thorough job than another.

[Junkman]

I dont really know about the statistics. Here the kids usually get cover on dad's insurance policy and if they are accident free for some years, they can carry the rebate over to their own policy. Insurances are eager to get the youngsters as a long term customer, people dont change insurance here often and stick for years or live with the same company.

New drivers licenses are now always probationary for 2 years, probation extended for 2 more years along with some costly "extra schooling" on minor offences and  license is easily lost for more serious things . That keeps things under control i guess.

 

UK insurance corporations destroyed brand loyalty a long time ago. However, when my father told the German insurance he was insured with for half a century, and his father before him,

that he could get a better deal somewhere else, they told him to sod off then, so there goes.

 

We've come a long way since I was 18, passed my test, went and bought me a '60 Buick convertible, insured it for less than the Zündapp KS50 I had previously cost to insure

(and subsequently clapped together my arse cheeks when I was presented with the road tax bill). I'm still unable to muster any compassion for today's y00fz, though, because giffer

and the strict dogma, that every generation has to do their own revolution.

 

However, one reason the greenies are bitten in the arse in the UK is because they don't receive a proper driving education from the onset.

The way it works here is that an older Englishman slaps an 'L' sticker on his car and teaches a younger Englishman every bad driving habit he mustered to acquire the past decade or three. A surefire way to reduce the number of future tax payers.

[pshome]

 

Also, a lot of insurance companies are insisting that young drivers fit trackers with speed / acceleration / braking sensors and "curfew" devices (e.g. so they can't drive the car after 10pm) in exchange for cheaper insurance premiums. Again, I don't know the details.

Didnt hear about that yet here, hope it won't come. Big brother getting bigger every day, we already have way too much of such nonsense invasing our privacy. 

[John F]

pshome, on 25 Nov 2015 - 3:41 PM, said:pshome, on 25 Nov 2015 - 3:41 PM, said:

being in the south and not the east, "SS" is not really my thing 

 

Haha!

 

 

Didnt hear about that yet here, hope it won't come. Big brother getting bigger every day, we already have way too much of such nonsense invasing our privacy. 

 

Very true. It's unlikely to get any better either

[Junkman]

Another thing that works against the UK yoofz is that there is no moped culture (see Simson Schwalbe above).

In .de, or .at, you can have a moped from age 15, so when you are ready for your car licence, you already picked up a lot of routine in traffic smartness.

[John F]

Junkman, on 25 Nov 2015 - 4:34 PM, said:

Another thing that works against the UK yoofz is that there is no moped culture (see Simson Schwalbe above).

In .de, or .at, you can have a moped from age 15, so when you are ready for your car licence, you already picked up a lot of routine in traffic smartness.

 

There is a sort of moped culture over here (at 16+), but it's nothing like as big as on the Continent. Our shit weather probably doesn't help there... lol.

 

But judging by the way our scrotes ride their 'peds and scooters there won't be many of them left to graduate onto cars after a year or so.