Another Scrappage victim..........

[FredTransit]

Yeah you are tight. Got 7 motors outside right now that would qualify. I better rush, before the scheme finishes! Can you do a bulk buy? Maybe I should just weigh em in and have done with it. Actually, I had an offer through the trade for me 1981 Daimler, was for more that I paid for it, and it has no T&T now. But they wanted to ram it into another car, and I saw it as a waste of a none too common car. So no, it's not just about money.

[fiatdaft]

because the person was thinking about a new car anyway,doesn't want a private sale,and he is getting at least 2 k of his new one,that he was thinking about anyway and his car is worth less than a grand.look people scrap cars everyday,scrappage scheme or not,thats what makes cars rare and interesting,as i have said before people buy new cars all the time that is how you ended up with your chosen ride.it is kinda time to get over it to be honest.

[FredTransit]

The point is, there is no need for the waste. The dealers could have just made it a guaranteed trade in, over all it's not likely they would have lost out.

[garbaldy]

The point is, there is no need for the waste. The dealers could have just made it a guaranteed trade in, over all it's not likely they would have lost out.

good point that but i think the problem is set into the minds off the population that new is better damn gulible sheeps.ive got a freind who is onto his 5th new computer in the time ive had the 1 and he keeps telling me this new one is far better the guy at PC word said so

[fiatdaft]

i do agree there are some borderline cars,but you should see the condition of the vast majority of the victims.btw i am a fan of autoshite,hence the reason i have been here the last 4 years,but i also happen to live in the real world where people that are not interested in cars at all get rid of old cars and buy new ones.thats been happening for 100 years now and as it is their property and they can get more than its worth what do you think they will do?as much as you don't like it and can't do anything about it,it happens, always has and always will.

[fiatdaft]

FD - What was your average age of trade-in on a new car prior to scrappage?From my own experience, the people who drive new or newish (say less than 5 years old) tend to change them for new or newish cars and those who roll in older stuff tend to change their cars for older stuff, either through choice or financial necessity.Yet you talk as though people were walking in all the time and trading in £200 sheds for new Vectras.

sorry you can't get a new vectra,and yes £200 shed for a new car? everyday.

[warren t claim]

The point is, there is no need for the waste. The dealers could have just made it a guaranteed trade in, over all it's not likely they would have lost out.

Good point Fred! Back in the mid eighties my local banger auction was full of part exes courtesy of the local ARG dealer offering £1500 min part ex on Montego's.

[fiatdaft]

thats because of the huge margin and overcharging of cars back then.now a brand new base corsa can be had for less than the price of a base model nova 20 years ago.

[Cavcraft]

I would doubt the dealers are to blame here. They get told to send old cars through the scrappage scheme straight to scrappage so surely not their fault?I've cringed at some stuff I've seen on the net that was sent for scrappage but I'd seriously consider sending my much loved 190E in for the right deal, assuming I could afford to buy a new car that is.

[FredTransit]

Back in the mid eighties my local banger auction was full of part exes courtesy of the local ARG dealer offering £1500 min part ex on Montego's.

Wow now that's a surprise. It's the knock on effect too, like the people who would have bought the cars that were part ex, who can't or won't afford a new car. And the people that repair them, sell the spares, the list goes on. It's not just a fluffy poor little cars dieing for the nasty greedy people angle. I know it's business, but it's business at the expense of so many things.

[fiatdaft]

sorry wrong again,local garages are still very busy,with a few more cars getting money spent them to mot them to scrap them,rather than go straight to the scrapyard like they would have before.being in the trade helps with seeing the whole picture rather than pub talk.sorry.

[FredTransit]

Well I don't go to the pub, but I do talk to people at the MOT centre and I am hearing otherwise. If they can get the stock from auction, they are paying more for it.

[fiatdaft]

and why do you think they are paying more for it?

[warren t claim]

I agree. If some no hair, kebab eating, track suit trash thinks that their life will be complete by scrappaging their T plate Corsa and signing away their next five years disposable income for a new one then so be it. I hope they will remain to be happy when Vauxhall refuse to honour the warranty and fix the defective crank sensor because of the induction kit and peco exhaust they have fitted. Just because a finance company says you can afford something doesn't always mean you can.

[fiatdaft]

again back to my previous posts.in the real world credit is much harder to get now,running at over 60 % cash buyers, and to be honest i have not seen a person suiting the description buying a car in our place,and hey if they did and bought a car they would be treated the same as any other customer as they can do what they want with their cash and trade in.is it that hard for you to understand people do buy new cars?

[warren t claim]

again back to my previous posts.in the real world credit is much harder to get now,running at over 60 % cash buyers, and to be honest i have not seen a person suiting the description buying a car in our place,and hey if they did and bought a car they would be treated the same as any other customer as they can do what they want with their cash and trade in.is it that hard for you to understand people do buy new cars?

Do people like Welcome finance still exist? Can you still get a car loan off Jim Davidson? Or have they all gone bust?I do understand that people want to buy new cars and without them we would not have cars to lust over in 15 years!I just don't like the idea of perfectly good cars being fragged for no good reason.

[Talbotman]

The huge gripe i have with scrappage is that it is not giving what it says on the tin. People are being conned and it is as simple as that .All car prices have gone up in accordance - the manufactures are taking the grand out of it - the goverment the extra grand - where is the dealer margin on this? Ok in the superminis this is nil but on the larger stuff there is quite a bit more - the real deal on this is that people are giving there cars away- Dealers and the Manufacturers are coining it on full margin - the money that the goverment are putting in - there getting straight back with interest on the full fat vat on the final invoices - sad state of affairs for the uninitaiated punter.

[FredTransit]

and why do you think they are paying more for it?

Supply and demand? lack of supply? General consensus is that because of scrappage, a lot of cars have been taken out of the loop. Cheap sheds, good cars, all across the board.

[fiatdaft]

dunno where you are lookin at car prices,but we sell corsa 1.0 lifes for over 2 k BELOW list BEFORE scrappage so your £10255 corsa could turn into a £6170 corsa.you can still buy a new car without scrapping your old one,but why the fuck would you?

[fiatdaft]

and why do you think they are paying more for it?

Supply and demand? lack of supply? General consensus is that because of scrappage, a lot of cars have been taken out of the loop. Cheap sheds, good cars, all across the board.

and the fact that demand for good used cars has gone up?

[warren t claim]

and why do you think they are paying more for it?

Supply and demand? lack of supply? General consensus is that because of scrappage, a lot of cars have been taken out of the loop. Cheap sheds, good cars, all across the board.

How is the scrappage scheme for vans going?Any high profile losses in the Transit world yet?

[fiatdaft]

i was actually sorry that you didn't know so much about new cars.its actually more people using savings because they are still scared of the ripples in the banking world. dunno why though most banks are safeish nowadays and i would like them to take finance as i get paid more.i don't know anybody that has won the lottery but many have.

[Cavcraft]

Well I don't go to the pub,

Ahh, there's your problem then Fred

[FredTransit]

and why do you think they are paying more for it?

Supply and demand? lack of supply? General consensus is that because of scrappage, a lot of cars have been taken out of the loop. Cheap sheds, good cars, all across the board.

How is the scrappage scheme for vans going?Any high profile losses in the Transit world yet?

At least one 1969 SWB I know of. It's currently hiding in a yard in Doncaster.

[warren t claim]

i was actually sorry that you didn't know so much about new cars.its actually more people using savings because they are still scared of the ripples in the banking world. dunno why though most banks are safeish nowadays and i would like them to take finance as i get paid more.i don't know anybody that has won the lottery but many have.

Out of curiosity what is the average age of a Corsa buyer? Do you get many 19 and 20 year olds buying new?When you can get £2k off a new supermini has that decimated the value of an 18 month old example? Did you have to adjust the prices of your nearly new stock when the scrappage scheme was introduced?By the time this thread is over I will be ranked as a Lancia Gamma!

[fiatdaft]

anything from somebody in the family using their old 106 to buy the grand bairn their first new car to the 60 year old trading in his owned from new golf vr6,pics to follow next week when it comes in if interested.57 reg corsa is now the same price as a new one due to the scrappage prices.and yes we still sell those aswell162 retail sales last month,not counting motab.7 of us here so we are not a huge garage.

[garbaldy]

i was actually sorry that you didn't know so much about new cars.its actually more people using savings because they are still scared of the ripples in the banking world. dunno why though most banks are safeish nowadays and i would like them to take finance as i get paid more.i don't know anybody that has won the lottery but many have.

ah so thats what to do with my £20k saveings i wondered what i was doing wrong,so i should really be putting it into some new metal box that will lose more than half off it in a couple off years rather than makeing a few bob. well i never i was wondering just how to dispose off it before the tax man getts his greedy eyes on it some people just have no comon sence at all when it comes to money.

[warren t claim]

anything from somebody in the family using their old 106 to buy the grand bairn their first new car to the 60 year old trading in his owned from new golf vr6,pics to follow next week when it comes in if interested.57 reg corsa is now the same price as a new one due to the scrappage prices.and yes we still sell those aswell162 retail sales last month,not counting motab.7 of us here so we are not a huge garage.

Why would someone buy nearly new when they can buy new for the same money?

[fiatdaft]

exactly ,show me a savings account that pays any decent interest and i will move some money into it.

[fiatdaft]

Why would someone buy nearly new when they can buy new for the same money?when they find out their trade in does not qualify for scrappage and/ or they have a set budget.