same car different badge

[PaykanHunter]

OK you so called “Shite Expertsâ€Â! This is the Challenge you were waiting for!!!...

 

As part of my extensive research into Rootes Group Arrow series: http://www.PaykanHunter.com I am getting ready to announce, unless somebody in this forum can proof me wrong, that the Arrow Series was the most rebadged car ever in the History of Automotive! And this should be no surprise really, since Rootes Group were the masters at the art of “Badge Engineeringâ€Â!

 

Rootes Arrow Series was sold under 7 different names:

 

Hillman: Hunter, Minx, GT, GLS, Arrow,…

Humber: Sceptre

Singer: Vogue, Gazelle

Chrysler: Hunter

Sunbeam: Arrow (USA & Canada)

Dodge: Husky (South Africa only)

&

Paykan (Iran)

 

Your immediate reaction to this would be Fiat 124/Lada/AutoVaz/….. But I have counted and I think it comes to 6, can you prrof me wrong? I say GO ROOTES!!!...

 

The Shite Challenge is ON NOW!.......

 

[scaryoldcortina]

My first thought here is BMC, and ADO16... I'm off to check

 

OK, here we go..

 

1 Morris 1100/1300

2 Austin 1100/1300

3 MG 1100

4 Vanden-plas Princess

5 Wolesley 1100

6 Riley Kestrel

 

All UK market..

 

Thats six, without mentioning the estates (traveller/countryman), the austin america, victoria, apache, innocenti versions or australia. Also "Morris Marina" in denmark.

[Alexg]

I think the MK2 Vauxhall Astra wins. I cant be arsed to list them all. There are about 10 different Daewoo versions alone, plus Pontiac, Opel etc etc

[Alexg]

I think the MK2 Vauxhall Astra wins. I cant be arsed to list them all. There are about 10 different Daewoo versions alone, plus Pontiac, Opel etc etc

 

Oh go on then

 

Vauxhall Astra

Opel Kadett

Pontiac Lemans

Daewoo Lemans

Chevrolet Kadett

Opel Monza

Daewoo Cielo

Daewoo 1.5i,

Daewoo Fantasy

Daewoo Pointer

Daewoo Heaven

Daewoo Racer

Passport Optima

Asüna GT/SE

 

I bet there are more

 

 

[Station]

What car has had the longest production run (apart from the Beetle)?

[PaykanHunter]

Dear Alexg,

 

Please note that Version/Models don't count in this Challenge. How many different "Makrs" they were sold under is.

 

So in your list I'm counting: 1.Vauxhall 2.Daewoo 3.Chevrolet 4.Opel 5.Pontiac 6.Passport 7.Asüna

[scaryoldcortina]

What car has had the longest production run (apart from the Beetle)?

 

Mini or Series Landrover (inc defender..) at a guess..

 

Best selling vehicle worldwide ever, anyone?

[Alexg]

Morgan 4/4?

[Alexg]

Dear Alexg,

 

Please note that Version/Models don't count in this Challenge. How many different "Makrs" they were sold under is.

 

So in your list I'm counting: 1.Vauxhall 2.Daewoo 3.Chevrolet 4.Opel 5.Pontiac 6.Passport 7.Asüna

 

Doh

[PaykanHunter]

My first thought here is BMC, and ADO16... I'm off to check

 

OK, here we go..

 

1 Morris 1100/1300

2 Austin 1100/1300

3 MG 1100

4 Vanden-plas Princess

5 Wolesley 1100

6 Riley Kestrel

 

All UK market..

 

Thats six, without mentioning the estates (traveller/countryman), the austin america, victoria, apache, innocenti versions or australia. Also "Morris Marina" in denmark.

 

As I mentioend above; Version/Models don't cuont, only "Brands" that was sold under.

[barrett]

I think you've actually missed one, wasn't it sold in South America as the Plymouth Arrow?*

 

*My brain might just be playing tricks on me. Maybe I'm thinking of the Avenger..

 

 

Edit: ADO 16 is 7 aswell....

[scaryoldcortina]

My first thought here is BMC, and ADO16... I'm off to check

 

OK, here we go..

 

1 Morris 1100/1300

2 Austin 1100/1300

3 MG 1100

4 Vanden-plas Princess

5 Wolesley 1100

6 Riley Kestrel

 

All UK market..

 

Thats six, without mentioning the estates (traveller/countryman), the austin america, victoria, apache, innocenti versions or australia. Also "Morris Marina" in denmark.

 

 

 

As I mentioend above; Version/Models don't cuont, only "Brands" that was sold under.

 

In which case, Innocenti counts as a brand though the others are duplicates, means we have a 3 way tie on 7

[PaykanHunter]

I think you've actually missed one, wasn't it sold in South America as the Plymouth Arrow?*

 

*My brain might just be playing tricks on me. Maybe I'm thinking of the Avenger..

 

For sure is your Brain! The Hillman Avenger was sold in the USA as Plymouth Cricket, is that what you were thinking?

[PaykanHunter]

So Far a 3 way tie on 7! Rootes Arrows are still Holding on!!!......

[barrett]

I know about the Cricket, I thought there was a seperate version sold in South America, but I think I am confusing it with the VW/Dodge Avengers

[Alexg]

Shit, Hillman Avenger matches 7 - is there another...?

 

Plymouth Cricket

Hillman Avenger

VW 1500

Talbot Avenger

Chrysler Avenger

Dodge 1800

Sunbeam Avenger

[PaykanHunter]

I know about the Cricket, I thought there was a seperate version sold in South America, but I think I am confusing it with the VW/Dodge Avengers

 

I think you are correct, but all those were based on Avenger not Hunter.

[barrett]

 

Fuldamobile (Germany)

Nobel (UK)

Fram King Fulda (Sweden)

Attica (Greece)

Alta (Greece)

Bambi (Argentina)

Bambino (Holland)

Hans Vahaar (India)

 

8

[PaykanHunter]

Fuldamobile (Germany)

Nobel (UK)

Fram King Fulda (Sweden)

Attica (Greece)

Alta (Greece)

Bambi (Argentina)

Bambino (Holland)

Hans Vahaar (India)

 

8

 

That is a 3-Wheeler! We are not counting that! My Paykan is not going to lose to a Bloody 3-Wheeler!

[scaryoldcortina]

Class! only on autoshite.. Good find, Barrett

 

And I'm not sure (even if it doesn't count) that tying with the first two suggestions classes as "winning"...

[PaykanHunter]

Challenge Update:

 

Ok then.... We are not counting any 3-Wheelers, so we got a 4 way tie on 7:

 

Rootes Arrow Series

MK2 Vauxhall Astra

Morris 1100

Rootes Avenger

 

Anybody?.... Can you come up with 7 or more?.....

[Espacetic]

Austin Mini

Morris Mini

Riley Elf

Wolseley Hornet

Innocenti Mini

Mini

Austin-Morris Mini

British Leyland Mini

Rover Mini

Authi Mini

 

Have I missed any?

 

Edit yes I did, Leyland Mini.

Oh, and Austin-Rover Mini

[barrett]

I thought Dauphine too as that was a Renault, Alfa-Romeo, IKA, Henney, Willys... also a FASA and a Kaiser, but I can't find any evidence that FASA or Kaiser-Frazer actually sold the cars under their own names? Anyone have any Ideas on that one...?

[scaryoldcortina]

Austin Mini

Morris Mini

Riley Elf

Wolseley Hornet

Innocenti Mini

Mini

Austin-Morris Mini

British Leyland Mini

Rover Mini

Authi Mini

 

Have I missed any?

 

Edit yes I did, Leyland Mini.

Oh, and Austin-Rover Mini

 

Funny, I was just compiling the same list. 12 names, or 9 if you discount same name twice (like Austin Rover, while counting austin and rover separatly)

 

Could be 10 if anyone has proof that Wood & Picket sold minis under their own name....

[barrett]

Could be 10 if anyone has proof that Wood & Picket sold minis under their own name....

 

That raises an interestion question, lots of companies sold minis as XXX mini, do they all count? If they do I guess you can add Downton, Crayford, Buckle, Radford, Broadspeed, S&A, Rob Walker.... and probably a load of others...

 

Edit: and yes, the W&P was sold as the Wood and Picket Mini

[Guest Leonard Hatred]

I'm pretty sure the GM J-car beats everything ever.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_J_platform

[scooters]

we did this about 6 months ago if I recall and the winner was, I believe, the Chrysler K platform

 

1981-1989 Dodge Aries (often referred to as the Aries K, owing to strong publicity for the K cars)

o 1981-1989 Plymouth Reliant (as above, also known as the Reliant K)

o 1982-1988 Chrysler LeBaron (coupes and convertibles were produced on this platform until 1987)

o 1982-1988 Chrysler LeBaron Town and Country

o 1982-1983 Dodge 400

o 1982-1988 Dodge Dart K (Mexico only)

o 1982-1988 Valiant Volare K (Mexico only)

o 1983-1988 Plymouth Caravelle coupe (Canada only)

o 1983-1986 Chrysler Executive limousine

o 1984-1986 Dodge 600 coupe and convertible

o 1984-1987 Dodge Magnum 400 and Dodge Magnum Turbo (Mexico only)

o 1985 Chrysler 600 (Mexico only)

o 1983-1984 Chrysler E-Class

o 1983-1988 Chrysler New Yorker and Chrysler New Yorker Turbo

o 1983-1988 Dodge 600 sedan

o 1985-1988 Plymouth Caravelle

o 1986-1989 Dart E by Chrysler (Mexico only)

o 1988-1989 Volare E by Chrysler (Mexico only)

o 1988 Chrysler New Yorker Turbo

o 1984-1986 Chrysler Laser

o 1984-1993 Dodge Daytona and Chrysler Daytona (Canada)

o 1984-1990 Dodge Caravan

o 1984-1990 Plymouth Voyager

o 1990 Chrysler Town and Country

o 1985-1988 Chrysler LeBaron GTS

o 1985-1989 Dodge Lancer

o 1987 Shelby Lancer

o 1989 Chrysler LeBaron

o 1987-1994 Dodge Shadow

o 1987-1994 Plymouth Sundance and Duster

o 1987-1989 Shelby CSX

o 1987-1995 Chrysler LeBaron coupe and convertible

o 1988-1994 Chrysler Phantom coupe only (Mexico only)

o 1988-1993 Chrysler New Yorker

o 1988-1993 Dodge Dynasty and Chrysler Dynasty (Canada)

o 1989-1994 Chrysler Saratoga (Europe only)

o 1989-1995 Dodge Spirit

o 1989-1995 Plymouth Acclaim

o 1990-1994 Chrysler LeBaron sedan

o 1990-1994 Chrysler New Yorker (Mexico only)

o 1989-1991 Chrysler TC by Maserati

o 1990-1993 Chrysler New Yorker Fifth Avenue

o 1990-1993 Chrysler Imperial

o 1991-1995 Chrysler Town and Country

o 1991-1995 Dodge Caravan

o 1991-1995 Plymouth Voyager

[scooters]

it's gonna be an 80's/90's yank from GM or Chrysler - the 80s and 90s were the great years of badge engineering and in the US it got seriously out of hand

[scaryoldcortina]

we did this about 6 months ago if I recall and the winner was, I believe, the Chrysler K platform

 

1981-1989 Dodge Aries (often referred to as the Aries K, owing to strong publicity for the K cars)

o 1981-1989 Plymouth Reliant (as above, also known as the Reliant K)

o 1982-1988 Chrysler LeBaron (coupes and convertibles were produced on this platform until 1987)

o 1982-1988 Chrysler LeBaron Town and Country

o 1982-1983 Dodge 400

o 1982-1988 Dodge Dart K (Mexico only)

o 1982-1988 Valiant Volare K (Mexico only)

o 1983-1988 Plymouth Caravelle coupe (Canada only)

o 1983-1986 Chrysler Executive limousine

o 1984-1986 Dodge 600 coupe and convertible

o 1984-1987 Dodge Magnum 400 and Dodge Magnum Turbo (Mexico only)

o 1985 Chrysler 600 (Mexico only)

o 1983-1984 Chrysler E-Class

o 1983-1988 Chrysler New Yorker and Chrysler New Yorker Turbo

o 1983-1988 Dodge 600 sedan

o 1985-1988 Plymouth Caravelle

o 1986-1989 Dart E by Chrysler (Mexico only)

o 1988-1989 Volare E by Chrysler (Mexico only)

o 1988 Chrysler New Yorker Turbo

o 1984-1986 Chrysler Laser

o 1984-1993 Dodge Daytona and Chrysler Daytona (Canada)

o 1984-1990 Dodge Caravan

o 1984-1990 Plymouth Voyager

o 1990 Chrysler Town and Country

o 1985-1988 Chrysler LeBaron GTS

o 1985-1989 Dodge Lancer

o 1987 Shelby Lancer

o 1989 Chrysler LeBaron

o 1987-1994 Dodge Shadow

o 1987-1994 Plymouth Sundance and Duster

o 1987-1989 Shelby CSX

o 1987-1995 Chrysler LeBaron coupe and convertible

o 1988-1994 Chrysler Phantom coupe only (Mexico only)

o 1988-1993 Chrysler New Yorker

o 1988-1993 Dodge Dynasty and Chrysler Dynasty (Canada)

o 1989-1994 Chrysler Saratoga (Europe only)

o 1989-1995 Dodge Spirit

o 1989-1995 Plymouth Acclaim

o 1990-1994 Chrysler LeBaron sedan

o 1990-1994 Chrysler New Yorker (Mexico only)

o 1989-1991 Chrysler TC by Maserati

o 1990-1993 Chrysler New Yorker Fifth Avenue

o 1990-1993 Chrysler Imperial

o 1991-1995 Chrysler Town and Country

o 1991-1995 Dodge Caravan

o 1991-1995 Plymouth Voyager

 

Except, under "da rulez" of this challenge, that's only 6 different brand names...

[Espacetic]

I'm going off what would actually appear on the V5, so Austin-Morris, Austin-Rover, British Leyland and Leyland all appeared at some stage during the Mini's life. In fact, thinking about it another 2 did - BLMC and also Leyland Cars.

My Hooper Mini although built from a new shell is still logbooked and listed on the heritage certificate as a Austin Mini Cooper S. Only Wood & Picket I had was listed as Austin-Morris.

Wouldn't like to hazard a guess at any of the other specialist builds.

Also note I'm only going for anything that uses a Mini shell, so have discounted Mini Marcos and Mini Gem etc.