St.Jude’s Road to Perdition: Part Deux // 2008 Peugeot Partner Tepee - HAUNTED/CURSED

22,759 · January 14

So, the Subaru has gone. It were a good whip. But times and needs change.

What did I get? Well try as I might to get a car that could do everything I still came up short. Compromises were made. As much as I wanted a Citroen Berlingo, finding one that wasn’t WAV, had air con, and cheap/in budget proved difficult. I wanted the Subaru gone before the MOT, as I needed it as PX I reasoned it’d be better to move it on with a ticket rather than get an MOT and do the work on it pulling more money out of my meagre budget.

But, I managed to get 90% of what I needed - a 2008 Peugeot Partner Tepee.

MOT till October, not that much of a risk if it goes Pete tong in that time. I don’t doubt it will. It drives mostly fine.

I think the MOT history isn’t too bad, other than the welding it had done for the last one. We will get in to this in a moment but I’ve been told by the mechanic I took this to the day after buying it that it looks fine. Nothing under it causes them any concern.

Why was it at a mechanic the day after I bought it? Well - it did an impersonation of my Land Cruiser and its wipers promptly shat themselves in a most peculiar way. They wouldn’t work in the morning. At all. Annoyed, I did what I had to do but decided to take it to a mechanic nearby me to get it fixed. Except when I started it my hand hit the wiper stalk and they worked. Odd.

The mechanic had it overnight and most of the Thursday and rang me to say he couldn’t get them to not work. So I went there and picked it up and treated it to £40 of diesel. Except it was raining, and as I pulled out of the petrol station the wipers stopped. Took it straight back to the mechanic who then diagnosed the wiper motor running too hot. A new motor is required. Except it’s all one unit, so it needed a motor and linkage.

New from Peugeot? £500.

Second hand from eBay? £20.

It took its sweet time getting to me but it was fixed yesterday. Wipers running much faster and more responsive - as in before I would hit the stalk and there would be a pause and it’d wipe. The new motor runs straight away.

Other than this, there are some issues.

It knocks like a fucker over bumps, like a suspension bush has gone. While the mechanic had it I asked him to look. He did but he said the suspension is fine. No play at all. He feels it’s possible that it could be a shock absorber. How much for one of them? £30/40! I still have PTSD from the Land Cruiser and spending £300 for two. From Australia. So I didn’t need to spend £2,000 from Mr.T! Although tbh, it could also be an engine mount too. But I don’t know as of yet.

Speed 3 on the blower doesn’t work. 1 and 2 do, 4 does too. This is likely a resistor pack. £30?

The steering wheel is horrible. Typical of these where they just disintegrate. Have been told/found that a wheel from a 307cc is a direct fit. Or a 207 GTi wheel. Not sure at the moment but it will be changed soon.

For the handful of journeys I’ve had with it, it suits me. Getting my boy in to the back is a breeze, so is belting him in. Lots of room in the back too.

My wife, of course, hates it. I’ve never seen hate like it since I had the Corolla.

But yeah, will update with more pics soon.

25,410 · January 14

well done,

Are you willing to tell us what did you pay for it?

The reg, is apt DPF

Knocking on front suspension could be as simple as drop links.

The stalks on the column are a weak point and this may have cased issued with the wiper.

Getting at the resister looks easy. Check that this is the issue before purchasing a new one.

22,759 · January 14

1 hour ago, Remspoor said:

well done,

Are you willing to tell us what did you pay for it?

The reg, is apt DPF

Knocking on front suspension could be as simple as drop links.

The stalks on the column are a weak point and this may have cased issued with the wiper.

Getting at the resister looks easy. Check that this is the issue before purchasing a new one.

All in it was £1,900. I got near enough what WBAC was offering on the Subaru which was a haircut from what I paid, but I did 10,000/12,000 in it and it never let me down. Although it wanted work which wouldve taken money away from a car I needed to live with like this Partner of that makes sense.

It has a lot of paperwork for it. All at the same garage for a good number of years. There is a receipt for the Eloys fluid bag having been replaced which obviously means the number plate is right! I never had any DPF issues with the 3008 I had years ago with this engine so I doubt I’ll have a problem here.

The mechanic gave the stalk a wiggle to see if it were duff but it doesn’t seem so. Obviously that’s the next thing to change if it does but I think it’ll be ok.

I will watch the video later before buying anything. Tbh I can live with it at 2 and 4 for now. But it’d be nice to do before summer.

25,410 · January 14

I looked at several of these car/vans before I purchased the 3008. I could never find a petrol engined one to suit the bill. I need a petrol as emission zones on mainland Europe only allow Euro 6 diesel cars (maybe Euro5) or as in the Netherlands a total ban from next year.

Euro5 and 6 diesels are way to complicated to ensure some sort of trouble free low mileage use.

Shame as the load carrying would be like my old 307 SW, take out the rear seats and you have loads of space.

That video I gave a link too is from a channel that has loads of French car repair vids. He is based in NI, and does not talk much

11,729 · January 14

Winnar wagon, hope it does you a good turn. They're such a useful vehicle and very adaptable for transporting various combinations of people and stuff.

22,759 · January 14

3 hours ago, Remspoor said:

I looked at several of these car/vans before I purchased the 3008. I could never find a petrol engined one to suit the bill. I need a petrol as emission zones on mainland Europe only allow Euro 6 diesel cars (maybe Euro5) or as in the Netherlands a total ban from next year.

Euro5 and 6 diesels are way to complicated to ensure some sort of trouble free low mileage use.

Shame as the load carrying would be like my old 307 SW, take out the rear seats and you have loads of space.

That video I gave a link too is from a channel that has loads of French car repair vids. He is based in NI, and does not talk much

It drives different to the 3008 I had. That felt like it could pull a train up a hill, but it had a 6 speed box which this Partner could benefit from. I wonder if someone has done that particular conversion?

I am not too fussed with the Euro stuff. As it is it’s cheaper to pay £8 to drive in to Birmingham than fuck around with a train. Just need to remember to pay it!

59 minutes ago, Sunny Jim said:

Winnar wagon, hope it does you a good turn. They're such a useful vehicle and very adaptable for transporting various combinations of people and stuff.

I hope so too! Already getting my lad in and out it’s a winner and hopefully it’ll be a good wagon going forward for a bit anyway.

Was looking at it with a mate at work wondering what life it had, and the boot has evidence of holes etc where shit has been screwed to it. But he pointed out for the miles it’s done (175,000 now) interior wise it looks well in terms of carpets and seats. The boot looks well used but on the whole it looks well used. I said to him that the Land Cruiser and Subaru were both nice cars inside to the point I was always a bit worried about wrecking them. This is nice enough to be in but shabby enough that I know it can be used properly without too much anxiety. If that makes sense at all.

11,729 · January 14

I definitely get what you mean. My Gran used to have one of those framed cross stitch embroidery things hanging in her kitchen that read, 'This kitchen is clean enough healthy but dirty enough to be happy' which pretty much sums up my attitude to housework and car interiors - don't be a slob but don't stress about keeping it perfect either.

22,759 · January 15

11 hours ago, Sunny Jim said:

I definitely get what you mean. My Gran used to have one of those framed cross stitch embroidery things hanging in her kitchen that read, 'This kitchen is clean enough healthy but dirty enough to be happy' which pretty much sums up my attitude to housework and car interiors - don't be a slob but don't stress about keeping it perfect either.

Yeah that’s basically it! That’s exactly what I wanted.

Currently at the coffee shop as my lad woke me up asking to go to it “in the van”. So here I am making dreams come true.

Will need to swap the head unit out. Previous owner had an aftermarket unit in there but took it with him. Left the microphone and didn’t put back the Aux for the standard thing. No bother, I’ve a double DIN thing in the garage that I am going to use and fit a reversing camera to it. It does have sensors but after the Land Cruiser I don’t trust them. I’d sooner see where the towbar is rather than park by feel.

8,345 · January 15

I had the Berlingo version of this last year - I probably ought to have hung onto it as it was certainly one of the better cars I had last year. It certainly would have saved a lot of the headaches that came afterwards.

Just a half decent thing to pootle about in, safe, spacious and comfortable. Just a bit wheezy to be pulling a caravan.

22,759 · January 15

Well this lasted all of a week 🙄.

Driving it this morning and I heard some chirping, whistling noises from the engine. Thought it was the radio but no it was still there. Odd sound like it didn’t really correspond to the revs of the engine.

Then I notice it’s struggling with hills. Drop down a gear and it seemed better. But even then nothing was happening. It’d do 3,000 revs but the speed would only creep up.

Took it to a garage around the corner from work, but they can’t look at it or diagnose it until tomorrow. He suspects the clutch although I don’t really notice it slipping tbh.

15,189 · January 15

Sounds more like a split or dislocated turbo pipe.

22,759 · January 15

2 minutes ago, artdjones said:

Sounds more like a split or dislocated turbo pipe.

Yeah, googling this makes it sound like the turbo has no vacuum?

I will take a pic later at lunch but the turbo looks new but I don’t think I have a receipt for it. Along with a new pipe of some description.

But yeah that’s exactly how it feels, like the turbo isn’t even there. No EML (and it is there on start up so not removed) and no smoke.

8,345 · January 15

Do the revs flare as you change gear?

These are prone to splitting the top intercooler hoses iirc so that might be worth a check too.

22,759 · January 15

7 minutes ago, ruffgeezer said:

Do the revs flare as you change gear?

These are prone to splitting the top intercooler hoses iirc so that might be worth a check too.

I think the that’s the pipe that has been changed already. But I’ll check at lunch.

And no. They don’t flare. They raise albeit I’d say a bit sluggishly. They don’t flare up and down.

31,281 · January 15

I would think this should be easy to diagnose? Just start the engine and listen for were the whistling sound is.

The diesel Grand Vitara I had where I had the same I found the fault in doing this which was a hole in an intercooler.

6,234 · January 15

I presume this is a DV6 ? If so, the turbo solenoid valve is a common fault.

Get a Pierburg one if you can, the cheap "OEM" ones invariably made by WANG QING never survive more than a few months.

2,639 · January 15

Whistling chirp sounds like induction leak. Start it up and give it some revs, you’ll see if it starts as the pressure should be build g as the turbo comes in….

The intercooler pipe leak can sound a bit like the noise the bastard love child of a duck and mouse would make - like a squeaky quack.

1,594 · January 15

Smoke test the boost circuit for leaks.

22,759 · January 15

It’s pissing rain here but here are the pics of the engine.

Yes @Sigmund Fraud, it is a DV6.

As you can see, new pipes:

The connects here don’t look loose.

Under the turbo though this looks odd to me.

Now I can’t say for sure if that oil was there before, but I’m not sure it should be there now and it looks “fresh”.

6,234 · January 15

Oil leaks from the rocker cover / oil breather are common in those, nothing to worry about. Just make sure it's not the turbo oil feed pipe/banjo that's leaking !

The actuator vacuum pipe is where it needs to be, so I am sticking to my original internet expert* diagnosis that the solenoid is to blame.

If you have Lexia (an essential tool when messing with old PSA shite), you can check for underboost or solenoid function codes, and also do a solenoid actuator test (no click = dead solenoid).

If it does prove to be the solenoid, it's conveniently* bolted to the back of the engine block, just above the sump. You can't even see it from the top, but access is pretty easy with the car on ramps and the undertray off.

22,759 · January 15

Thanks @Sigmund Fraud. Normally I’d crack this myself but at the moment I have to outsource these problems, so the garage can have it on the ramp.

I was trying to remember what the software thing was called the other day to order it. So I’m off looking for Lexia now!

1,720 · January 15

Do you know how old the turbo is? Looks quite recent by the pics.

22,759 · January 16

12 hours ago, bigfella2 said:

Do you know how old the turbo is? Looks quite recent by the pics.

Not at the moment no. It does look new enough, as per the pipes. I do need to go through the papers properly. Think I had a skim and didn’t see anything for the turbo which to me feels odd.

I mean as well I’ve the previous owners address so could always chance a letter to them and ask.

Got it home last night and drove it in today to dump it at the garage next to work. No boost at all yesterday but this morning it felt like it was trying to. Could hear a whistle then a slap and no boost. But then - finally - the EML comes on with the lovely “Anti Pollution Faulty” message. Up until then I could engage cruise control, couldn’t now, so the van is definitely in limp mode home now.

We will see before 12 when the garage calls.

22,759 · January 16

So he’s had a look and it’s throwing a code for the EGR and one for the turbo.

He plans to blank the EGR valve off and see what happens. But he’s not got time to do that until Monday.

If it’s the EGR then it’s either replace it or blank it and remap it off. Which is what I did with the Land Cruiser and that ran better without it tbh.

7,827 · January 16

Sorry to hear all this.Getting flashbacks to a Volvo C30 we bought with the 1.6 diesel.Ended up getting our money back from the small trader we bought it from.

6,234 · January 16

Should be an easy fix - it's literally a 30 minute job to slip a blanking plate in between EGR and engine block.

The DV6 was a fairly complex engine by the standards of its time, and quickly developed a reputation for fragility. Two decades later, there is plenty of know-how and a steady supply of cheap parts to keep them going.

22,759 · January 16

17 minutes ago, Dobloseven said:

Sorry to hear all this.Getting flashbacks to a Volvo C30 we bought with the 1.6 diesel.Ended up getting our money back from the small trader we bought it from.

I’m getting them from the Land Cruiser. But what I learnt from that is letting the garage sort it out they only drag their arse on it and run the time down. So I’m as well to sort these issue to a point myself.

10 minutes ago, Sigmund Fraud said:

Should be an easy fix - it's literally a 30 minute job to slip a blanking plate in between EGR and engine block.

The DV6 was a fairly complex engine by the standards of its time, and quickly developed a reputation for fragility. Two decades later, there is plenty of know-how and a steady supply of cheap parts to keep them going.

Yeah it doesn’t seem too bad. Cost id imagine will be on the remap. But I’d sooner the EGR was gone if that’s what’s the problem.

I remember the tales of fragility when I had the 3008 and I had worries of the turbo shitting itself on that. But as you say they’re a fairly understood lump now and easy enough to keep going.

I would just like to drive it now 😂

15,189 · January 16

33 minutes ago, Sigmund Fraud said:

Should be an easy fix - it's literally a 30 minute job to slip a blanking plate in between EGR and engine block.

The DV6 was a fairly complex engine by the standards of its time, and quickly developed a reputation for fragility. Two decades later, there is plenty of know-how and a steady supply of cheap parts to keep them going.

The blanking plate on its own will probably cause a permanent code, as on most cars that have an electric egr.

The one thing to do on these engine as soon as you acquire one is change the oil for the right stuff (C2), and keep changing it every 6-8k miles.

The second thing is to make sure all the tube nuts holding the injectors in are properly tight. 7mm Allen key.

1,720 · January 16

Won't removing the EGR cause issues with the DPF regenning?

I just hope that when they fitted the turbo, they followed the correct flushing and cleaning procedure before install. But fingers crossed it's something pretty minor.

6,234 · January 16

1 hour ago, artdjones said:

The blanking plate on its own will probably cause a permanent code, as on most cars that have an electric egr.

The one thing to do on these engine as soon as you acquire one is change the oil for the right stuff (C2), and keep changing it every 6-8k miles.

The second thing is to make sure all the tube nuts holding the injectors in are properly tight. 7mm Allen key.

My own DV6-powered shitter is perfectly happy running with a blanking plate, but it's a very early version. I expect that @St.Jude's car will need a re-map, though, as advised by the garage.

Absolutely agreed on the advice regarding frequent oil changes and low ash oil, the factory recommended intervals were ridiculously long and were (partly) to blame for the appetite of those engines for turbos.

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