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Tired of, "Brake lines covered in grease so cannot be inspected" lies or, "Underside fitted with undertrays so cannot fully inspect", or "coil springs/underside/subframe corrosion, although no weakness detected" from my most used MOT station to, "cover our backs".  Newbie tester.

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Not really it’s a fair point as realistically it is very difficult to check a brake line in the time allotted if it’s thick with grease. Undertrays could be hiding all manner of leaks or corrosion to the subframe/bushings perished. The sad fact is you could test a car then it go down the road and the brake like burst where it goes over the fuel tank and have VOSA round potentially removing your livelihood

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2 hours ago, artdjones said:

Really the thick with grease ones should be a fail, who slathers thick grease on their brake lines without something to hide? As opposed to a light smear. But the tester can only test to the manual.

The whole basis of the test is to, if it’s not clear, give the benefit of the doubt to the owner. There’s no measurable matrix you can apply to say what’s a slather or what’s a smear. It’s intended as exactly what it’s worded, I know some can get really offended that it’s messed up the complete green line that shows it’s flown through every test. 

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2 hours ago, sierraman said:

The whole basis of the test is to, if it’s not clear, give the benefit of the doubt to the owner. There’s no measurable matrix you can apply to say what’s a slather or what’s a smear. It’s intended as exactly what it’s worded, I know some can get really offended that it’s messed up the complete green line that shows it’s flown through every test. 

The advisory is given because the tester can't see the surface of the pipe so can't judge its conditions. Maybe it should be a fail on that basis? Grease is  almost transparent when thinly smeared, so wouldn't fail.

It's a shame so many manufacturers run the pipes in inaccessible places, such as over the top of the tank. I suppose it would be unreasonable to suggest that the tank should be dropped to check them. 😊

 

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23 minutes ago, artdjones said:

The advisory is given because the tester can't see the surface of the pipe so can't judge its conditions. Maybe it should be a fail on that basis? Grease is  almost transparent when thinly smeared, so wouldn't fail.

It's a shame so many manufacturers run the pipes in inaccessible places, such as over the top of the tank. I suppose it would be unreasonable to suggest that the tank should be dropped to check them. 😊

 

Grease is clear until you’ve driven it for a week or so and all the road salt and grease has stuck to it. You can’t fail something that you cannot see, you’d have to fail a lot of things on that basis. 

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20 minutes ago, Dave_Q said:

I agree with @artdjones that 99.7% of people greasing a brake pipe are doing it to hide something, but the test is inspect only not de-grease so the advisory is the only thing they can do,

Yes, not the tester's fault at all, but it should be made to be a fail. Then the chancer could go away and  pay for a new pipe to be fitted and a retest. Or just wipe the pipe clean and pay for a retest if he's one of the 0.3% who isn't trying it on.

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Not funny per se but a glance at an MOT of my Mrs old car is like the War and Peace edition of advisories and for no discernable reason, possibly to try and scare her into additional work. Next MOT at a different garage and none were listed.

The reg is SJ03 UTP if anyone wants a laugh.

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1 hour ago, artdjones said:

Yes, not the tester's fault at all, but it should be made to be a fail. Then the chancer could go away and  pay for a new pipe to be fitted and a retest. Or just wipe the pipe clean and pay for a retest if he's one of the 0.3% who isn't trying it on.

How would you legislate for let’s say a Vectra C, you cannot see the brake pipes as they go over the top of the fuel tank. Drop the tank as part of the inspection?

Also what about people trying to avoid their pipes going rusty in the first place. 

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I don't blame testers for advising brake pipes, now the thing is I always grease the last 1" exposed part on an Aygo/C1/107 if it's not already rotten

Had one advised last week (the car failed on some other work) It let go on the way back from its retest this afternoon! It didn't look particularly bad but it's obviously got to be done now!

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57 minutes ago, sierraman said:

How would you legislate for let’s say a Vectra C, you cannot see the brake pipes as they go over the top of the fuel tank. Drop the tank as part of the inspection?

Also what about people trying to avoid their pipes going rusty in the first place. 

There's a difference between the manufacturer leading the pipes through somewhere they can't be seen, although it's a bit stupid and unnecessary, and someone without an appropriate sense of safety slapping a lump of grease on a pipe so that the tester doesn't notice pits that take away nearly all the margin preventing a rupture.

 

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On 3/13/2023 at 4:37 PM, Dave_Q said:

I agree with @artdjones that 99.7% of people greasing a brake pipe are doing it to hide something, but the test is inspect only not de-grease so the advisory is the only thing they can do,

Many moons ago when I had a mk 2 cav it was advised to grease pipes to prevent corrosion unless they had been replaced with kunifer.

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5 minutes ago, Bren said:

Many moons ago when I had a mk 2 cav it was advised to grease pipes to prevent corrosion unless they had been replaced with kunifer.

It seems to be the general advice of specialists for 986 and 996 Porsches too. I took mine to a new specialist for a service and one of the first things he said when it was on the ramps was, "oh good, you're greasing the pipes. It makes such a difference on these cars. It's always a sign that the owner has been caring for it when you see fresh grease."

 

Previous specialist had advised it too

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15 minutes ago, Petrolize said:

I sometimes wonder where SH12RYN (feel free to look up) gets it’s mots done, has under 20k on the clock but always a huge list of pointless advisories

  • Rear ALL THE REAR WINDOWS ARE TINTED

Funny thing is that the check mot site includes HGVs now and carries the name of the VTS
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11 hours ago, Petrolize said:

I sometimes wonder where SH12RYN (feel free to look up) gets it’s mots done, has under 20k on the clock but always a huge list of pointless advisories

  • Rear ALL THE REAR WINDOWS ARE TINTED

What the actual 🤣

  • ALL THE BRAKE PIPES ARE PLASTIC COATED
  • ALL THE BRAKE PIPES ARE PLASTIC COATED

You can say that again! 

So exactly as they left the factory then?

  • APPLIED FINGER AND THUMB PRESSURE ON SILLS AND FLOOR AREA

Probably applied finger and thumb pressure to his mate as well while logging that lot off...

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